You dont not even know what to do but came here to argue on defense matter? How was Myanmar prevented from committing genocide and backed off from aggression in 80s and 90s. Awami question leak generation could not even learn from historic precedence; what a joke.
Russia Agrees to Sell 6 su 30 Fighter Jets to Myanmar
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You dont not even know what to do but came here to argue on defense matter? How was Myanmar prevented from committing genocide and backed off from aggression in 80s and 90s. Awami question leak generation could not even learn from historic precedence; what a joke.
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This is a very good post from you.Although I have much frustration with BAF, but all that is not so bad.Choosing a right fighter jet which will act as the main work horse in the air force is not easy.A lot of geo-political, economic and maintenance, performance consideration have to be calculated.Burmese doing negotiation for this plane since at least 2016, now they have given order.A gap of at least two years.BAF issued tender a year ago.But if They don't finalize the MRCA deal within the next one year, then it is really incompetence on their part.Even an air force like Indian with a lot of money spent a lot of time whether choosing Sukhoi, Eurofighter or Raphael in the last few years.
burmese have a limit about how high they can jump.Their defence budget is flat at 2 billion dollar for the last 5 years now.Suu Kyi govt. are not much interested to increase that amount despite their general's insistence.They have a bulky, poorly trained army of 400k soldiers most of them are engaged in counter-insurgency operation.2 billion dollar is not even enough to give them salary properly.Their military and naval equipments are not at per with BD.Only thing, they are ahead of us is, fighter jet.Our air force is 1-2 squadron 4.5 generation fighter jet behind them.We can obliterate this gap in just one order if there is a will on govt. level.
Still BAF is doing some very good job whose long term benefit we can count.They have built Cox's Bazar air base , building two more new air base, re-hauling and expanding the capability of old infrastructure, acquiring modern Radars, acquiring large number of trainer jet to make ready a pool of pilots capable of flying 4.5 generation fighter jet. All these indicate a long term plan and vision.Just because they are delaying the MRCA deal doesn't mean they are not working.You have to rebuild your old, shabby house and add rooms before you can welcome new members in your family.I would not surprise if they start ordering large number of MRCA after 2020.
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Not "technically BUT actually illegitimate. No one will participate in farcical election when awami league destroyed the free and fair election process. On top of that india directly interfered in Bangladesh election.
"NOT much noticed by outsiders, long-troubled ties between two neighbours sharing a long border have taken a substantial lurch for the better. Ever since 2008, when the Awami League, helped by bags of Indian cash and advice, triumphed in general elections in Bangladesh, relations with India have blossomed."
http://www.economist.com/node/21524917
Good analysis here.
I think that BAF will order a squadron of heavy MRCA(16 SU-30SME or SU-35) and order replacements for all 40 F-7s(MMRCA) by next year at the latest. BAF would annoy me if they ordered the Mig-35 for MMRCA though.
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MM is going to procure Su30 then BD should go for Su35 initially 1sqd. & for maritime strike F15 if US approve,becoz Russia is arming MM then why not US come to arming us too.
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As much as I despise BAF for being slow on the procurement front, we need to be smarter. Invest on multi-layered SAM systems with radar coverage over all of Bangladesh. Its cheaper, more effective and highly mobile. Only a fool will try to match its enemies sword to sword. Our planes will come sooner or later but we need other defense systems to watch over the skies in the meantime.
Overall, I dont see why BDeshis should loose sleep over 6 Su-30s on the hands of a rag-tag enemy. What were you expecting really? That we start a frigate program, buy UCAVs, get AESA radar-ed Dorniers and our neighbors will sit and watch? Come on now. This wouldn't have been even a thread if the Rohingya incident didnt take place.
And what are they going to do with those planes anyway? Talk on internet is cheap, pilots falling from the sky is not.
Overall, I dont see why BDeshis should loose sleep over 6 Su-30s on the hands of a rag-tag enemy. What were you expecting really? That we start a frigate program, buy UCAVs, get AESA radar-ed Dorniers and our neighbors will sit and watch? Come on now. This wouldn't have been even a thread if the Rohingya incident didnt take place.
And what are they going to do with those planes anyway? Talk on internet is cheap, pilots falling from the sky is not.
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Umm, except Myanmar wasn't. There's been ethnic conflicts in Myanmar ever since the country was independent, from Kachin to Rakhine. There were almost a million Rohingya outside of Burma before the recent exodus.
FYI, I dislike all political parties in Bangladesh, including AL but out of Jamat (bearded baboons), BNP and AL, AL is obviously the better alternative.
Myanmar seeks advanced weapons from Russia, but China remains the key player
SAM Report, January 27, 2018
A Russian Su-30 fighter jet
Myanmar’s generals have not hidden their displeasure with the quality of Chinese military hardware and jet fighters, but they know that a more assertive and powerful China remains a key player while Myanmar faces mounting international pressure over the crisis in Rakhine State.
Myanmar will seek a more balanced diplomatic approach toward powerful neighbors such as China and India as well as Russia, a UN Security Council member, to provide it with diplomatic cover.
While some remain in denial, top officials and generals are increasingly paranoid over the crisis in Rakhine State and possible international intervention. It is as though Myanmar is reverting to the days when it was ruled by the much-condemned generals, who were constantly worried about Western pressure and UN intervention.
Last week, news media reported that Russia agreed to sell six Su-30 fighter jets to the Myanmar Army during Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu’s visit to the country.
“The planes will become the main fighter aircraft of Myanmar’s air force to protect the country’s territorial integrity and repel any terror threats,” Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Lieutenant General Alexander Fomin was quoted as saying by Russian news agency TASS.
The Su-30 is a twin-engine, two-seat supermaneuverable fighter jet developed by Russia’s Sukhoi Aviation Corporation and was deployed during Russia’s military intervention in war-torn Syria.
In the region, Indonesia, Malaysia, India and Vietnam also purchased Su-30 jet fighters from Russia.
Myanmar’s air force has advanced MIG-29s and ageing F-6s, F-7s and A-5s that need replacing soon.
To replace its obsolete jet fighters, Myanmar has purchased JF-17s and is in “advanced negotiations” with Pakistan to license-build third-generation models. The JF-17 is co-developed by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and China’s Chengdu Aerospace Corporation. These jet fighters can engage in air-to-air battles but also have ground-attack capabilities allowing them to deliver dumb bombs and precision-guided munitions. These jets are suitable for Myanmar, where armed conflict with ethnic rebels is frequent.
Equipping Myanmar’s air force with Su-30 twin-engine jet fighters that can carry out air-to-air and air-to-ground missions means the country is looking to protect its territory and preparing for foreign threats.
The price tag on the jets has not been revealed. Sources close to the deal believe those negotiations may still be ongoing.
A Bigger Defense Budget
The Myanmar Army has long wanted to build a modern military, and this year the Defense Ministry asked Parliament for a budget of more than 1.3 trillion kyats (US$1 billion) for a six-month period.
Last week, Deputy Defense Minister Major General Myint Nwe told Parliament that his ministry was expected to earn 31.76 billion kyats in normal revenue; that its capital expenditures was expected to total 611.09 billion kyats; that its normal expenditures would be 723.11 billion kyats; and that total expenditures for the six months would therefore be 1.33 trillion kyats.
“The money is used to implement plans to strengthen the structure of soldiers, weapons, equipment for perpetuity of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Union,” he said.
It is likely that the budget will be approved. The defense budget has never been trimmed, but rather increased.
National League for Democracy (NLD) lawmakers said the budget requested by the Ministry of Defense made up 12.56 percent of the total proposed budget, while the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health and Sports asked for 7.56 percent and 3.93 percent, respectively, adding up to only 11.49 percent of the total budget.
As Myanmar expands its naval and air forces, the generals are hoping to deter external threats and possible terrorist attacks.
Senior General Min Aung Hlaing and the visiting Russian defense minister spoke about boosting military cooperation. The general reportedly thanked Russia for its stance on Myanmar’s handling of militant attacks in Rakhine State, which has come under heavy criticism from much of the international community, including the UN and US. The Russian defense minister said the attacks were assumed to have political links.
It has been reported that since 2011 military relations between Moscow and Naypyitaw have gone from strength to strength. Under the military rule of the previous decades and the Western sanctions it brought on, Myanmar depended heavily on military hardware from China. But it steadily backed away as the generals complained about the quality of Chinese weapons.
Myanmar began to diversify its search for more advanced weapons and training, and Moscow was ready to assist. Hundreds of Myanmar officers have been sent to Russia for trainings since the 2000s. During the Russian defense minister’s recent visit, Fomin said more than 600 of Myanmar’s military personnel were currently studying at Russia’s higher military education institutions.
In a June 5 interview with the state-run Myanma Alinn newspaper, Russia’s ambassador to Myanmar, Nikolay Listopadov, said about 6,000 army students had graduated from prestigious Russian universities and that some have received post-graduate and doctoral degrees.
But big brother is China
Myanmar’s generals have had their problems with China over the quality of its military hardware and its support for some powerful ethnic armed groups in the north. But when Myanmar faces international criticism and UN resolutions over major crises such as the one in northern Rakhine State, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and the generals seek China’s diplomatic backing.
China has promised to assist in Myanmar’s peace process, and a Chinese special envoy, Sun Guoxiang, helped negotiate a trip by members of several armed ethnic groups in the north to Naypyitaw so that they could attend a government-sponsored peace conference.
In November, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing went to Beijing separately. But first Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi came to visit Myanmar, shortly after the Chinese Communist Party’s 19th National Congress. It was a clever move. While Western governments put pressure on Myanmar over the Rohingya crisis, China has shown its solidarity and demonstrated a spirit of long-time friendship and strategic partnership.
After Wang Yi’s visit, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi went to Beijing and was followed by Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing.
It is a well known fact that the two do not get along. Diplomatic sources believe that China made a strategic decision to invite both of them to Beijing to assure them of its support and to discuss the situation in Rakhine State while Myanmar moves away from Western allies over the crisis there.
Beijing suggested a three-stage strategy for Myanmar and Bangladesh to work out the Rohingya crisis: Ensuring a ceasefire and restoring stability; talks between the two countries to create a workable solution for repatriation; and poverty alleviation in order to achieve a sustainable solution.
Chinese President Xi Jinping received Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing. The issues they discussed included international criticism over the Rohingya crisis, Chinese investment in Rakhine State, and China’s new proposal for an economic corridor in Myanmar.
Beijing assured them of its support and is believed to have expressed its concern for the problems in Rakhine State.
After her visit to Beijing, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi reportedly held discussions with senior members of her cabinet and some former ruling generals about China’s proposal and Rakhine State.
During Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing’s visit, Myanmar and Chinese military leaders discussed “promotion of cooperation between the armed forces of the two countries.” Li Zuocheng, a member of China’s Central Military Commission, said, “In the face of a complex and changeable regional security situation, China is willing to maintain strategic communication between the two countries’ militaries.”
China wanted greater contact between the two armed forces, deeper training and technical exchanges, and more defense cooperation along their common border to ensure peace and stability, Li added.
It is ironic to see a repeat of recent history as Myanmar now moves closer to its old allies while its honeymoon period with Western governments draws to a close. Myanmar will seek more diplomatic cover from China, but it will no doubt continue to diversify by buying more advanced weapons from elsewhere.
https://southasianmonitor.com/2018/...nced-weapons-russia-china-remains-key-player/
SAM Report, January 27, 2018
A Russian Su-30 fighter jet
Myanmar’s generals have not hidden their displeasure with the quality of Chinese military hardware and jet fighters, but they know that a more assertive and powerful China remains a key player while Myanmar faces mounting international pressure over the crisis in Rakhine State.
Myanmar will seek a more balanced diplomatic approach toward powerful neighbors such as China and India as well as Russia, a UN Security Council member, to provide it with diplomatic cover.
While some remain in denial, top officials and generals are increasingly paranoid over the crisis in Rakhine State and possible international intervention. It is as though Myanmar is reverting to the days when it was ruled by the much-condemned generals, who were constantly worried about Western pressure and UN intervention.
Last week, news media reported that Russia agreed to sell six Su-30 fighter jets to the Myanmar Army during Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu’s visit to the country.
“The planes will become the main fighter aircraft of Myanmar’s air force to protect the country’s territorial integrity and repel any terror threats,” Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Lieutenant General Alexander Fomin was quoted as saying by Russian news agency TASS.
The Su-30 is a twin-engine, two-seat supermaneuverable fighter jet developed by Russia’s Sukhoi Aviation Corporation and was deployed during Russia’s military intervention in war-torn Syria.
In the region, Indonesia, Malaysia, India and Vietnam also purchased Su-30 jet fighters from Russia.
Myanmar’s air force has advanced MIG-29s and ageing F-6s, F-7s and A-5s that need replacing soon.
To replace its obsolete jet fighters, Myanmar has purchased JF-17s and is in “advanced negotiations” with Pakistan to license-build third-generation models. The JF-17 is co-developed by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and China’s Chengdu Aerospace Corporation. These jet fighters can engage in air-to-air battles but also have ground-attack capabilities allowing them to deliver dumb bombs and precision-guided munitions. These jets are suitable for Myanmar, where armed conflict with ethnic rebels is frequent.
Equipping Myanmar’s air force with Su-30 twin-engine jet fighters that can carry out air-to-air and air-to-ground missions means the country is looking to protect its territory and preparing for foreign threats.
The price tag on the jets has not been revealed. Sources close to the deal believe those negotiations may still be ongoing.
A Bigger Defense Budget
The Myanmar Army has long wanted to build a modern military, and this year the Defense Ministry asked Parliament for a budget of more than 1.3 trillion kyats (US$1 billion) for a six-month period.
Last week, Deputy Defense Minister Major General Myint Nwe told Parliament that his ministry was expected to earn 31.76 billion kyats in normal revenue; that its capital expenditures was expected to total 611.09 billion kyats; that its normal expenditures would be 723.11 billion kyats; and that total expenditures for the six months would therefore be 1.33 trillion kyats.
“The money is used to implement plans to strengthen the structure of soldiers, weapons, equipment for perpetuity of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Union,” he said.
It is likely that the budget will be approved. The defense budget has never been trimmed, but rather increased.
National League for Democracy (NLD) lawmakers said the budget requested by the Ministry of Defense made up 12.56 percent of the total proposed budget, while the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health and Sports asked for 7.56 percent and 3.93 percent, respectively, adding up to only 11.49 percent of the total budget.
As Myanmar expands its naval and air forces, the generals are hoping to deter external threats and possible terrorist attacks.
Senior General Min Aung Hlaing and the visiting Russian defense minister spoke about boosting military cooperation. The general reportedly thanked Russia for its stance on Myanmar’s handling of militant attacks in Rakhine State, which has come under heavy criticism from much of the international community, including the UN and US. The Russian defense minister said the attacks were assumed to have political links.
It has been reported that since 2011 military relations between Moscow and Naypyitaw have gone from strength to strength. Under the military rule of the previous decades and the Western sanctions it brought on, Myanmar depended heavily on military hardware from China. But it steadily backed away as the generals complained about the quality of Chinese weapons.
Myanmar began to diversify its search for more advanced weapons and training, and Moscow was ready to assist. Hundreds of Myanmar officers have been sent to Russia for trainings since the 2000s. During the Russian defense minister’s recent visit, Fomin said more than 600 of Myanmar’s military personnel were currently studying at Russia’s higher military education institutions.
In a June 5 interview with the state-run Myanma Alinn newspaper, Russia’s ambassador to Myanmar, Nikolay Listopadov, said about 6,000 army students had graduated from prestigious Russian universities and that some have received post-graduate and doctoral degrees.
But big brother is China
Myanmar’s generals have had their problems with China over the quality of its military hardware and its support for some powerful ethnic armed groups in the north. But when Myanmar faces international criticism and UN resolutions over major crises such as the one in northern Rakhine State, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and the generals seek China’s diplomatic backing.
China has promised to assist in Myanmar’s peace process, and a Chinese special envoy, Sun Guoxiang, helped negotiate a trip by members of several armed ethnic groups in the north to Naypyitaw so that they could attend a government-sponsored peace conference.
In November, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing went to Beijing separately. But first Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi came to visit Myanmar, shortly after the Chinese Communist Party’s 19th National Congress. It was a clever move. While Western governments put pressure on Myanmar over the Rohingya crisis, China has shown its solidarity and demonstrated a spirit of long-time friendship and strategic partnership.
After Wang Yi’s visit, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi went to Beijing and was followed by Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing.
It is a well known fact that the two do not get along. Diplomatic sources believe that China made a strategic decision to invite both of them to Beijing to assure them of its support and to discuss the situation in Rakhine State while Myanmar moves away from Western allies over the crisis there.
Beijing suggested a three-stage strategy for Myanmar and Bangladesh to work out the Rohingya crisis: Ensuring a ceasefire and restoring stability; talks between the two countries to create a workable solution for repatriation; and poverty alleviation in order to achieve a sustainable solution.
Chinese President Xi Jinping received Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing. The issues they discussed included international criticism over the Rohingya crisis, Chinese investment in Rakhine State, and China’s new proposal for an economic corridor in Myanmar.
Beijing assured them of its support and is believed to have expressed its concern for the problems in Rakhine State.
After her visit to Beijing, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi reportedly held discussions with senior members of her cabinet and some former ruling generals about China’s proposal and Rakhine State.
During Snr-Gen Min Aung Hlaing’s visit, Myanmar and Chinese military leaders discussed “promotion of cooperation between the armed forces of the two countries.” Li Zuocheng, a member of China’s Central Military Commission, said, “In the face of a complex and changeable regional security situation, China is willing to maintain strategic communication between the two countries’ militaries.”
China wanted greater contact between the two armed forces, deeper training and technical exchanges, and more defense cooperation along their common border to ensure peace and stability, Li added.
It is ironic to see a repeat of recent history as Myanmar now moves closer to its old allies while its honeymoon period with Western governments draws to a close. Myanmar will seek more diplomatic cover from China, but it will no doubt continue to diversify by buying more advanced weapons from elsewhere.
https://southasianmonitor.com/2018/...nced-weapons-russia-china-remains-key-player/
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So a procurement budget of only 0.5 billion dollars a year on total, including profits from military enterprises?
No wonder you can only afford to buy 6 SU-30s
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What are you thoughts on the report that 16 J-10C(Eurofighter/Rafale peer) are coming to BAF?
Want to play with BAF now? Damn, a single J-10C squadron will shoot all the Mig-29s/JF-17s and SU-30s down with ease.
Of course you will say still to be confirmed, like how the indigenous frigates that BDmilitary.com reported on last summer have just been confirmed by BD Navy this month.
So a procurement budget of only 0.5 billion dollars a year on total, including profits from military enterprises?
No wonder you can only afford to buy 6 SU-30s
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@tarpitz
What are you thoughts on the report that 16 J-10C(Eurofighter/Rafale peer) are coming to BAF?
Want to play with BAF now? Damn, a single J-10C squadron will shoot all the Mig-29s/JF-17s and SU-30s down with ease.
Of course you will say still to be confirmed, like how the indigenous frigates that BDmilitary.com reported on last summer have just been confirmed by BD Navy this month.
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So a procurement budget of only 0.5 billion dollars a year on total, including profits from military enterprises?
No wonder you can only afford to buy 6 SU-30s
@Aung Zaya
@tarpitz
What are you thoughts on the report that 16 J-10C(Eurofighter/Rafale peer) are coming to BAF?
Want to play with BAF now? Damn, a single J-10C squadron will shoot all the Mig-29s/JF-17s and SU-30s down with ease.
Of course you will say still to be confirmed, like how the indigenous frigates that BDmilitary.com reported on last summer have just been confirmed by BD Navy this month.
Why are you instigating man?
Let them do their thing.
Let us do ours.
Furthermore, consider talking ONCE THE PLANES ARE ON THE GROUND IN BANGLADESH!
Well, why is this posted in BD defence section?
To provoke us BD'shis of course.
Maybe we should wait for the planes to land in BD but the source is the same one that said that BN will start building indigenous frigates this year, and also reported on the K-8W purchase. What it reports on has so far turned out to be true and so they must have a good source/s within the defence establishment.
Let the Barman morons have a taste of their own medicine.
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That's strange i remember posting it in world military forum. How did it end up here? Weird!!
How many SU-30SMEs do you think can be brought by a country with a defence budget of only 2 billion dollars a year. This includes having to pay and feed a massive army of 400,000. Military enterprises can only bring in some hundreds of millions a year at most extra.
Now, since the BDmilitary report in 2017 of both indigenous destroyers and K-8Ws has come true, what do you think those reported 16 J-10Cs will do to the MAF's 30 Mig-29s, 16 JF-17s and 6 SU-30SMEs? BAF pilot pilots will just use the smaller version of the J-20s AESA radar and the new PL-15 long-range AAM to pick these poor Barman pilots off from 100km+. No need to even bother with dog-fighting at all.
J-10C will only be matched by the Rafale in the skies of S Asia.
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