Rumors: Finally AH-1Z are coming

[Falcon26]

Keep in mind that India has an active and strong lobby in the US. Lots of congressmen are in their pockets.
Until the last viper is in our hands, we won't publicize it lest it gets abruptly blocked by a congressman with a heavier-than-earlier wallet.

I call BS on this.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Are you seriously going to argue that Indian media reports are 'authentic and fine'?

I didn't post a news in the first place. It was a video clip from an Indian TV. Therefore, genuine source and genuine clip. As long as these two are authentic, it shouldn't be deleted.
Indians do propaganda on everything, with this logic, nothing from India should be allowed on this forum.
So why some threads are allowed, even though they contain pure propaganda!!

I pointed to the fact by using subjectivity, the Mods can just targets people, rather than looking at the source and genuine contents, now they can target who posted it.

It is a valid point. But I am sure many would not understand it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I pointed to the fact by using subjectivity, the Mods can just targets people, rather than looking at the source and genuine contents, now they can target who posted it.

Moderation is always going to be subjective. Sometimes we allow threads on topics that can actually have a discussion around them, other times, by allowing the thread to remain open, it appears that we're just helping promote Indian propaganda.

My suggestion would be that if you are going to post an Indian claim, especially one that you know is going to get a lot of heat and/or you know to be propaganda, include your rebuttal of that Indian claim in the OP of the thread along with all the relevant sources supporting your rebuttal to minimize the chances of a moderator closing/deleting the thread.

 

[farok84]

@Blacklight @Tps43

 

[masterchief_mirza]

All those respected members who are making 'useless' noises about PDF getting sub- standard by having threads started based on 'rumors' or 'imaginary news' and also those who are complaining of increased egos of many active members need to open up their mind. First, this is a discussion forum in public domain. So, not all participants would be equally well informed, well educated, or well-mannered. We need to learn living with all types of people. No need to be so much picky or sensitive. I mean,this thread might be based on hearsay, but still I wouldn't call the discussions held so far useless. Why don't we enjoy all these hot exchanges between our learned members just as you enjoy WWF wrestling? What do you think of all those madly fighting, attacking, and injuring wrestlers? Are they really the enemies of each other in their actual life? No, not at all. They are just making drama in the ring. And that's all. Second, we Pakistanis generally happen to be hot-headed. If any Indian ventures in on the PDF, we get behind him. If no Indian is visible in any discussion, what do we do then? Sitting idle? No way! We start fighting with each other. We need to keep the car engine warm/running all the time lest we see our real target, a poor Indian.

This guy gets it.

 

[Blacklight]

@Blacklight @Tps43

Professionals, wont know, but Journos will. Sounds about right

 

[crankthatskunk]

Moderation is always going to be subjective. Sometimes we allow threads on topics that can actually have a discussion around them, other times, by allowing the thread to remain open, it appears that we're just helping promote Indian propaganda.

My suggestion would be that if you are going to post an Indian claim, especially one that you know is going to get a lot of heat and/or you know to be propaganda, include your rebuttal of that Indian claim in the OP of the thread along with all the relevant sources supporting your rebuttal to minimize the chances of a moderator closing/deleting the thread.

I always do. The rules should not be subjective to avoid any favouritism and chances of bias.

 

[python-000]

It seems like another fake news. We must need to go for Z-10s from China as soon as possible without wasting more time & wait for T-129 from Turkey..
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[Signalian]

It seems like another fake news. We must need to go for Z-10s from China as soon as possible without wasting more time & wait for T-129 from Turkey..
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Pakistan should try to get the weapons, sensors, helmets etc package from the deal if not the gunship itself. Its all these electronic modules that give American weapons edge over other adversaries.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

There must be a rule of banning these fan boys who post fake news repeatedly.
The forum must take some cation against this continuous fake news.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Your mistake. He is very right.

I call BS on this.

 

[Safriz]

I call BS on this.

Well yeah. Plenty of Indian bedroom diplomats warm US senators beds.
Sunny Leone is a very successful pro India lobbyist in USA.
Guess why? And I am not even joking..

 

[Blacklight]

Well yeah. Plenty of Indian bedroom diplomats warm US senators beds.
Sunny Leone is a very successful pro India lobbyist in USA.
Guess why? And I am not even joking..

Who is he/she can you provide a video for reference?

 

[MastanKhan]

No, it wasn't shot down, we were in the game, so there was no chance for it to be shot down. The YANKS are not stupid that they would take up such a risky project, when what they need to do is to make a secured call to Kiyani.

But the pilot was still shit scared that he ended up crashing it against the compound wall.
The story is more interesting from then on. Which no American is ever going to admit and no Pakistani is going to release. There were eye witnesses. I leave it to that.

Hi,

That whole scenario was a staged drama---.

u live in kant.
i have house at masoom shah

Hi,

It is on the other side of the airport---where that old rifle range was---.

 

[Mumm-Ra]

I would argue that despite all the criticism, and in some cases disrespect, directed towards professional and senior members who vouched for the news of the Zulu's & C-130J's, those members have refrained from responding in kind in this

The thread title has the phrase 'rumor' in it - that should make it clear for all but the most obtuse as to the content. No one is forcing anyone to read the thread or contribute towards it. Sometimes those with contacts may get the specifics/details wrong etc and sometimes they may be completely wrong because their own sources and contacts got it wrong.

Regardless, the forum is not going to shut down such debate and discussion, we'll just continue to tag it as 'rumors'. Everyone has the option to ignore such threads. If, some day, you see the term 'rumor' gone from the thread title, feel free to pop in and catch up.

Both sides need to engage respectfully - do not abuse or disrespect someone because they don't believe your claims and similarly, don't abuse and disrespect someone because you don't believe their claims.

Time will make clear what the actual situation is.

P.S: We are not banning or demoting anyone with Professional titles because information they provided turned out to be incorrect. Many members have those titles because of their service in the Armed forces. Those titles are a sign of respect for that service. The titles are not given to them because of their 'disclosures' about various events. Keep the two things separate in your minds please.

Wonderfully narrated. Criticism towards very senior members is fine as long as it remains in the domain of mutual respect because otherwise it becomes very hard for both parties to have any constructive dialogue out of the whole situation.