Riyadh will build nuclear weapons if Iran gets them, Saudi prince warns

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

In both cases of Pakistan and North Korea they are ready to develop nuclear programme for a country as a turn-key project, like Pakistan assisted Libya and North Korea assisted Syria. In the case of North Korea it publicly declared on its intention to offer fissile material and a nuclear device which would grant a country a nuclear capability over night.

1. There was no organized or State sponsored 'nuclear weapons development project' provided to any of the countries you mentioned, by Pakistan.

2. Libya got some blue prints from AQ Khan, I do not believe they got any thing significantly more than that. Libya also, IIRC, has a small civilian nuclear program, and therefore has some nuclear knowhow and infrastructure. Libya was unable to do anything with the blueprints provided by AQ Khan (and didn't some anlysts argue that they were flawed designs anyway?)

 

[ARSENAL6]

So you did read it, but did not understand anything.

the subject is KSA and the possibility it would develop nuclear weapons and to this issue I referred, not to Israel.

What Israel got to do with KSA nukes? As I clearly explained KSA's nukes are because of Iran not Israel. If you think it is because of Israel, then we can discuss it here.

If you want to understand why I think that Iran should be prevented from developing nuclear weapons go to the sticky thread about IAEA and Israel and read what I wrote. If you want, we can continue the discussion about Israel in that thread.

No nirreich I understood it very well, but I can understand why you put up a ridgit attitude avoiding the issue at hand at a point of madness even though you have mentionin your previous posts about the situation of Nukes in ME and just poinbted out what the reason why Iran wanted to obtain nukes.
Irseal has nuke makes Iran to have nukes, and therefore Saudi wants nukes.
I'll end it there

 

[nirreich]

1. There was no organized or State sponsored 'nuclear weapons development project' provided to any of the countries you mentioned, by Pakistan.

2. Libya got some blue prints from AQ Khan, I do not believe they got any thing significantly more than that. Libya also, IIRC, has a small civilian nuclear program, and therefore has some nuclear knowhow and infrastructure. Libya was unable to do anything with the blueprints provided by AQ Khan (and didn't some anlysts argue that they were flawed designs anyway?)

Libya received much more than blue-prints, it received enough centrifuges, complete and assembled, for enriching uranium in an industrial scale, plus technical assistance and UF6 to feed the centrifuges.

If you prefer you can deceive yourself and believe the statements of Pakistan's government and military that the nuclear assistance to Libya was a private initiative of AQ Khan. However, with your knowledge on nuclear programmes you should know better.

 

[silko]

look at this genius!
you guys aren't middle eastern? lmao

you guys had nukes decades ago and the Turks have nukes on their soil. Now you two Einsteins are pointing fingers at countries that don't even have them. Absolute geniuses you two lol

it shows who is the genius.

israel in the other hand is responsible when it comes to weapons of mass destruction. it is the governemt and the military that decides what it is going to be used at not an idiot like ayatollah who has a push button for everything!

turkey has nukes on it's soil. so what? it is a part of a nato program, and beside iran has shown over times that it is an irresponsible country! i am more scared of iran having nukes than israel, honestly. israel has never ever threathened iran with nuking it until iran started this nuclear program.

i guess your government is full of einsteins since they are going to let a idiotic leader going to have the responsibilty over the nukes!

 

[nirreich]

No nirreich I understood it very well, but I can understand why you put up a ridgit attitude avoiding the issue at hand at a point of madness even though you have mentionin your previous posts about the situation of Nukes in ME and just poinbted out what the reason why Iran wanted to obtain nukes.
Irseal has nuke makes Iran to have nukes, and therefore Saudi wants nukes.
I'll end it there

You are wrong again. Iran's nuclear ambitions have little to do with Israel, but you are welcomed to lie to yourself and believe the Iranian propaganda.

 

[Tshering22]

Guess this is simply a pressure tactic to force US to act against Iran.

 

[untitled]

Well the Libyans did fund the Pakistani nuclear program in exchange for expertise and technology. Then Gaddafi betrayed the Pakistanis to get in the good books of the west..... What he gets in return is a warrant issued in his name.... serves him right

 

[nirreich]

Guess this is simply a pressure tactic to force US to act against Iran.

I think it is more than that, KSA seriously considers to develop nukes in case Iran becomes a nuclear weapons state.

 

[untitled]

I think it is more than that, KSA seriously considers to develop nukes in case Iran becomes a nuclear weapons state.

Then why did it not develop nukes when Saddam was developing them ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Libya received much more than blue-prints, it received enough centrifuges, complete and assembled, for enriching uranium in an industrial scale, plus technical assistance and UF6 to feed the centrifuges.

If you prefer you can deceive yourself and believe the statements of Pakistan's government and military that the nuclear assistance to Libya was a private initiative of AQ Khan. However, with your knowledge on nuclear programmes you should know better.

... Despite a 25-year effort to acquire or develop a nuclear weapon, Libya’s nuclear program remained in the embryonic stage. Prior to 2003, the U.S. Intelligence Community estimated that Libya would have a deployable weapon by 2007. Subsequent inspections have since refuted that belief. It had succeeded in providing some training to a number of students and technicians and the establishment of a nuclear research center, which includes a small nuclear research reactor under IAEA safeguards. This facility, located at Tajura, southeast of Tripoli, was provided by the former Soviet Union. Since it was unlikely that Tripoli could produce a weapon without significant and sustained foreign technical assistance, Qadhafi reportedly was trying to recruit nuclear scientists to assist in developing nuclear weapons ...

... Qadhafi sought help in obtaining nuclear technology from a number of countries, including the People's Republic of China. Among these efforts, the cooperation with Pakistan launched in 1977 seemed for a time to be producing material results. Libya appeared to be providing financial assistance and, later, deliveries of uranium "yellow cake" originating in Niger in the hope of eventually being compensated by weapons from Pakistan. However, in an interview with an Indian newspaper in March 1986, Qadhafi declared that Libya would never help Pakistan acquire an atomic bomb. He said: "We consider nuclear weapons production a great mistake against humanity."

Libya's main partner in the nuclear field, however, was the Soviet Union. A small (ten megawatt) Soviet-supplied reactor began operation in Tajura (outside Tripoli) in 1981. Three years later, a research center was opened at the same site staffed by 750 Libyan specialists and technicians aided by Soviet staff. Many students were sent abroad; a group of 200 was studying in the United States until early 1983 when the United States proscribed training Libyans in nuclear science. As noted in press reports, however, in the mid-1990s discussions between Libya and Russia indicated possible renewed Russian support for Libya’s nuclear effort at Tajura, including refurbishment and long-term maintenance....


... Libya allowed US inspectors to visited weapons sites where they saw centrifuges for enriching uranium, which was more advanced than Washington thought. A weapons program would need hundreds of centrifuges, called a cascade, to make significant quantities of uranium. The inspection teams saw only a few centrifuges, did not see a cascade, and Libya denied that enriched uranium had been produced...

Libyan Nuclear Weapons

You are correct that AQ Khan provided centrifuges to Libya, but as the highlighted part above indicates, the centrifuges provided were far from enough to maintain a 'industrial scale enrichment program'.

 

[Mosamania]

You know in matter of fact all countries want nuclear capabilities cause other countries has them.

for instance the US had one so the USSR had to have one. and so on and so forth until now it is Iran wanting one because Israel has one which will result in Saudi Arabia having one......seriously everyone needs to put down their nukes. Its all the Manhattan project fault..it will be the end of humanity.

On the other hand however "Saudi Arabia is a nuclear powered state" I kind of dig that

 

[nirreich]

... Despite a 25-year effort to acquire or develop a nuclear weapon, Libya’s nuclear program remained in the embryonic stage. Prior to 2003, the U.S. Intelligence Community estimated that Libya would have a deployable weapon by 2007. Subsequent inspections have since refuted that belief. It had succeeded in providing some training to a number of students and technicians and the establishment of a nuclear research center, which includes a small nuclear research reactor under IAEA safeguards. This facility, located at Tajura, southeast of Tripoli, was provided by the former Soviet Union. Since it was unlikely that Tripoli could produce a weapon without significant and sustained foreign technical assistance, Qadhafi reportedly was trying to recruit nuclear scientists to assist in developing nuclear weapons ...

... Qadhafi sought help in obtaining nuclear technology from a number of countries, including the People's Republic of China. Among these efforts, the cooperation with Pakistan launched in 1977 seemed for a time to be producing material results. Libya appeared to be providing financial assistance and, later, deliveries of uranium "yellow cake" originating in Niger in the hope of eventually being compensated by weapons from Pakistan. However, in an interview with an Indian newspaper in March 1986, Qadhafi declared that Libya would never help Pakistan acquire an atomic bomb. He said: "We consider nuclear weapons production a great mistake against humanity."

Libya's main partner in the nuclear field, however, was the Soviet Union. A small (ten megawatt) Soviet-supplied reactor began operation in Tajura (outside Tripoli) in 1981. Three years later, a research center was opened at the same site staffed by 750 Libyan specialists and technicians aided by Soviet staff. Many students were sent abroad; a group of 200 was studying in the United States until early 1983 when the United States proscribed training Libyans in nuclear science. As noted in press reports, however, in the mid-1990s discussions between Libya and Russia indicated possible renewed Russian support for Libya’s nuclear effort at Tajura, including refurbishment and long-term maintenance....


... Libya allowed US inspectors to visited weapons sites where they saw centrifuges for enriching uranium, which was more advanced than Washington thought. A weapons program would need hundreds of centrifuges, called a cascade, to make significant quantities of uranium. The inspection teams saw only a few centrifuges, did not see a cascade, and Libya denied that enriched uranium had been produced...

Libyan Nuclear Weapons

You are correct that AQ Khan provided centrifuges to Libya, but as the highlighted part above indicates, the centrifuges provided were far from enough to maintain a 'industrial scale enrichment program'.

OK,

The centrifuges were enough for experimental scale which is the first stem for building an and industrial facility.

Your reference does not contradict the essence of my argument.

 

[Peregrine]

Finally the time for nuclear proliferation in M.E is close at hand. All the states would try to develop nukes each having a strong vindication of her stance, This will be a catalyst for restoring peace in M.E & belligerent states like Izraeeel will be compelled to engage in a dialogue with the neighboring states.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

OK,

The centrifuges were enough for experimental scale which is the first stem for building an and industrial facility.

Your reference does not contradict the essence of my argument.

Well, Gaddafi's son stated that Libya pumped $100 million to Pakistani scientists.

And what they got in return was a handful of centrifuges -I say Pakistan played Gaddafi pretty well.

In terms of technical expertise, the Libyans appear to have shopped around every where for it, not just from Pakistan.