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Religious Discord clouds Malaysia Truly Asia

but in Malay they use word TUHAN ........my subordinate ...some people use word Allah..some use Tuhan..... what is difference ...?

Allah is the arabic meaning "God."

Tuhan is an Indonesian language meaning "God."

Same thing. Sne just have its root in Arabic while the other in melayu.

Back during the new order. I still remember everyone uses the word Tuhan. In TV & Public. It's just recently (couple of years ago) the world Allah is raising in popularity.
 
Pretty foolish by Malaysia for restricting Christians to use the word Allah. Allah = The God not gods name.
 
Discord clouds future of 'Malaysia: Truly Asia' - Yahoo Singapore Finance

Malaysian conservatives are flexing their muscles in what analysts call a high-stakes fight for control of the powerful ruling party that is endangering reform and delicate race relations.

Since elections last May that stung the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), the government has moved rightward, mothballing a reform drive launched by Prime Minister Najib Razak.

Meanwhile, religious tensions in the multi-cultural, Muslim-majority country are soaring, mainly in a dispute between Muslims and Christians over use of the word "Allah".

On Monday, two Molotov cocktails were thrown at a Catholic church, raising fears of further strife.

"It's getting to be very divisive for the country," Wan Saiful Wan Jan, head of the think-tank IDEAS, said of the conservative pressure.

"It presents a bleak outlook, especially for multi-culturalism and multi-racialism."

Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim said last weekend that racial discord over "Allah" and other disputes was the worst since deadly racial riots in 1969, threatening the "very fabric of our unity".

Political analysts blame desperation within UMNO, one of the world's longest-ruling parties, following its election setbacks.

UMNO's governing coalition long presented a front of multi-cultural harmony, as depicted abroad in its years-old tourism campaign "Malaysia: Truly Asia" that portrays a relaxed Asian melting-pot.

Authoritarian UMNO reserved political power and other perks for the Muslim Malay majority, however, and stands accused of routinely trampling rights in silencing critics.

But voters, particularly from the economically powerful Chinese minority, have increasingly rebelled.

'Abrupt end' to reforms

Last May's polls left UMNO clinging to power and conservatives resentful of Najib's reforms.

Right-wingers now appear intent on discarding multi-culturalism to focus on the critical Malay Muslim vote, political experts believe, raising the spectre of further polarisation.

"This is significant as it could mean that (Najib's) vision of a unified, cohesive and inclusive plural society that was much touted in the 2013 elections is as good as thrown onto the back burner," Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies said in an analysis last week.

Seeking to shore up broad-based support, Najib came to power in 2009 promising to soften Malay chauvinism and protect democratic rights.

But after the polls he abandoned pledges -- opposed by conservatives -- to reform controversial policies granting Malays economic advantages.

The policies favouring Malays and other indigenous groups, who are collectively known as Bumiputra or "Sons of the soil", are blamed for shackling the economy and fuelling a "brain drain" overseas.

Human Rights Watch chastised the government this month over new legislation seen as oppressive, arrests of government critics, and moves to curb civil society groups.

"The (2013) election was followed by a significant deterioration in human rights and the apparent abrupt end to Prime Minister Najib's oft-touted reform agenda," it said.

Meanwhile, influential Muslim groups allied to UMNO that were long leashed by the party have become more assertive, unsettling non-Muslims with calls for a more "Islamic" Malaysia.

"There are people who want to change the identity of Malaysia, which is based on Islam, Muslim and Malay supremacy. They want to change it to civil and secular society," fretted Abdullah Zaik Abdul Rahman, head of NGO Malaysia Muslim Solidarity.

"These are the real threats to Muslims in Malaysia."

Time running out?

Professed "moderate" Najib, 60, has drawn flak for not stepping in forcefully to calm things, particularly in the "Allah" row.

Conservative Muslims are demanding Malay-speaking Christians stop using "Allah" to refer to the Christian creator. The row has seen Bibles seized by Islamic authorities, a leading Catholic priest probed for sedition, and Muslim protests.

"Najib seems unable to do anything. It's almost like Ibrahim Ali is running the country," said Wan Saiful of IDEAS, referring to the firebrand leader of a Malay-supremacy group who has previously threatened to burn Bibles.

With fresh elections due by 2018, UMNO conservatives are calling for a return to the days of premier Mahathir Mohamad, who ruled with an iron fist from 1981 to 2003.

Mahathir, 88, who led a campaign to drive out Najib's predecessor, has criticised the premier's reforms, sparking speculation Najib could be replaced.

Mahathir this week blamed today's racial tensions on "liberalisation".

"Time is running out" for progressives to take control, Lim Teck Ghee, CEO of Malaysia's Centre for Policy Initiatives, said in an analysis entitled "Can Malaysia step back from the brink?"

More likely is "a sharper turn towards an Islamic conservative future; or a retreat to emergency rule in which UMNO-led right wingers, and other powerful stake players including the (Malay) monarchy... make a bid for, and successfully seize power", he said.
 
If God is in charge of this world, we would be living in peace and harmony, but alas, the humans in high powerful positions and with malice minded motives always created chaos in the name of religion.

Ok, I have a question, Is the God of Abraham same as the God of Ibrahim, since Abraham is the same person as Ibrahim? And Mosses and Musa the same messenger of the God?

And did the God sent us the Koran and instructed that it can only be written and read inn Arabic to prevent deviation and wrong translation if translated into other languages? May be God considered Bible is flawed (especially when translated to other languages from the original written Hebrew scribes) because it was made up of selected scribes according to the wishes of the higher up holymen in early Roman church, thus He asked the final messenger to write the Koran instead?

Finally the Arab Muslims and Arab Christians both refered to their one and only creator God as Allah.
 
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Allah is the arabic meaning "God."

Tuhan is an Indonesian language meaning "God."

Islam is an Arabic religion so it uses the Arabic word.
Christianity is not an Arabic religion, so why would they use the Arabic word for God?

It's all madeup to attack the minorities.

It does sound like a tactic to deceive Muslims into listening to Christian proselytizing.

Finally the Arab Muslims and Arab Christians both refered to their one and only creator God as Allah.

But we are not talking about Arab Christians. We are talking about Malay Christians who have no connection to Arabic anything.
 
Islam is an Arabic religion so it uses the Arabic word.
Christianity is not an Arabic religion, so why would they use the Arabic word for God?



It does sound like a tactic to deceive Muslims into listening to Christian proselytizing.

Pftt, By that logic Christianity can only called God by its rightful latin name Deus. Instead of using the multi-language version of it. The word Allah already inserted itself into Malaysian vocabulary so they can call it by whatever they want.
 
Pftt, By that logic Christianity can only called God by its rightful latin name Deus. Instead of using the multi-language version of it.

They would use the Malay word for God.

The word Allah already inserted itself into Malaysian vocabulary so they can call it by whatever they want.

OK, that makes sense.
 
Discord clouds future of 'Malaysia: Truly Asia' - Yahoo Singapore Finance

Malaysian conservatives are flexing their muscles in what analysts call a high-stakes fight for control of the powerful ruling party that is endangering reform and delicate race relations.

Since elections last May that stung the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), the government has moved rightward, mothballing a reform drive launched by Prime Minister Najib Razak.

Meanwhile, religious tensions in the multi-cultural, Muslim-majority country are soaring, mainly in a dispute between Muslims and Christians over use of the word "Allah".

On Monday, two Molotov cocktails were thrown at a Catholic church, raising fears of further strife.

"It's getting to be very divisive for the country," Wan Saiful Wan Jan, head of the think-tank IDEAS, said of the conservative pressure.

"It presents a bleak outlook, especially for multi-culturalism and multi-racialism."

Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim said last weekend that racial discord over "Allah" and other disputes was the worst since deadly racial riots in 1969, threatening the "very fabric of our unity".

Political analysts blame desperation within UMNO, one of the world's longest-ruling parties, following its election setbacks.

UMNO's governing coalition long presented a front of multi-cultural harmony, as depicted abroad in its years-old tourism campaign "Malaysia: Truly Asia" that portrays a relaxed Asian melting-pot.

Authoritarian UMNO reserved political power and other perks for the Muslim Malay majority, however, and stands accused of routinely trampling rights in silencing critics.

But voters, particularly from the economically powerful Chinese minority, have increasingly rebelled.

'Abrupt end' to reforms

Last May's polls left UMNO clinging to power and conservatives resentful of Najib's reforms.

Right-wingers now appear intent on discarding multi-culturalism to focus on the critical Malay Muslim vote, political experts believe, raising the spectre of further polarisation.

"This is significant as it could mean that (Najib's) vision of a unified, cohesive and inclusive plural society that was much touted in the 2013 elections is as good as thrown onto the back burner," Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies said in an analysis last week.

Seeking to shore up broad-based support, Najib came to power in 2009 promising to soften Malay chauvinism and protect democratic rights.

But after the polls he abandoned pledges -- opposed by conservatives -- to reform controversial policies granting Malays economic advantages.

The policies favouring Malays and other indigenous groups, who are collectively known as Bumiputra or "Sons of the soil", are blamed for shackling the economy and fuelling a "brain drain" overseas.

Human Rights Watch chastised the government this month over new legislation seen as oppressive, arrests of government critics, and moves to curb civil society groups.

"The (2013) election was followed by a significant deterioration in human rights and the apparent abrupt end to Prime Minister Najib's oft-touted reform agenda," it said.

Meanwhile, influential Muslim groups allied to UMNO that were long leashed by the party have become more assertive, unsettling non-Muslims with calls for a more "Islamic" Malaysia.

"There are people who want to change the identity of Malaysia, which is based on Islam, Muslim and Malay supremacy. They want to change it to civil and secular society," fretted Abdullah Zaik Abdul Rahman, head of NGO Malaysia Muslim Solidarity.

"These are the real threats to Muslims in Malaysia."

Time running out?

Professed "moderate" Najib, 60, has drawn flak for not stepping in forcefully to calm things, particularly in the "Allah" row.

Conservative Muslims are demanding Malay-speaking Christians stop using "Allah" to refer to the Christian creator. The row has seen Bibles seized by Islamic authorities, a leading Catholic priest probed for sedition, and Muslim protests.

"Najib seems unable to do anything. It's almost like Ibrahim Ali is running the country," said Wan Saiful of IDEAS, referring to the firebrand leader of a Malay-supremacy group who has previously threatened to burn Bibles.

With fresh elections due by 2018, UMNO conservatives are calling for a return to the days of premier Mahathir Mohamad, who ruled with an iron fist from 1981 to 2003.

Mahathir, 88, who led a campaign to drive out Najib's predecessor, has criticised the premier's reforms, sparking speculation Najib could be replaced.

Mahathir this week blamed today's racial tensions on "liberalisation".

"Time is running out" for progressives to take control, Lim Teck Ghee, CEO of Malaysia's Centre for Policy Initiatives, said in an analysis entitled "Can Malaysia step back from the brink?"

More likely is "a sharper turn towards an Islamic conservative future; or a retreat to emergency rule in which UMNO-led right wingers, and other powerful stake players including the (Malay) monarchy... make a bid for, and successfully seize power", he said.
Islamism and fundamentalism is growing in Malaysia. The minorities like Indians and Chinese will be more and more persecuted. They are already being discriminated against in the constitution. Malaysian population is 40% non-Muslim and these non-Muslims are literally disenfranchised. Malaysia is a federation rather than one monolithic state. The East Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak joined the federation many years after the formation of the Malaysian federation (right after Singapore left the federation). Sabah and Sarawak have very high non-Muslim population. Penang island is Chinese dominated. It is high time these provinces leave the federation before it gets too late..
 
Islamism and fundamentalism is growing in Malaysia. The minorities like Indians and Chinese will be more and more persecuted. They are already being discriminated against in the constitution. Malaysian population is 40% non-Muslim and these non-Muslims are literally disenfranchised. Malaysia is a federation rather than one monolithic state. The East Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak joined the federation many years after the formation of the Malaysian federation (right after Singapore left the federation).
Sabah and Sarawak have very high non-Muslim population. Penang island is Chinese dominated. It is high time these provinces leave the federation before it gets too late..
that will initiate a civil war. The Malaysian central government will never allow it.
 
Islamism and fundamentalism is growing in Malaysia. The minorities like Indians and Chinese will be more and more persecuted. They are already being discriminated against in the constitution. Malaysian population is 40% non-Muslim and these non-Muslims are literally disenfranchised. Malaysia is a federation rather than one monolithic state. The East Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak joined the federation many years after the formation of the Malaysian federation (right after Singapore left the federation). Sabah and Sarawak have very high non-Muslim population. Penang island is Chinese dominated. It is high time these provinces leave the federation before it gets too late..

Allah is the arabic meaning "God."

Tuhan is an Indonesian language meaning "God."

Same thing. Sne just have its root in Arabic while the other in melayu.

Back during the new order. I still remember everyone uses the word Tuhan. In TV & Public. It's just recently (couple of years ago) the world Allah is raising in popularity.

Whats happening in indonesia and malaysia ? why are they becoming so oppressive to minorities.?
 
that will initiate a civil war. The Malaysian central government will never allow it.
I suppose the Malaysian federal constitution does give the provinces the independence to choose to stay in or leave the federation.
 
The Start of the End of Malaysian Golden Age...
 
Islamism and fundamentalism is growing in Malaysia. The minorities like Indians and Chinese will be more and more persecuted. They are already being discriminated against in the constitution. Malaysian population is 40% non-Muslim and these non-Muslims are literally disenfranchised. Malaysia is a federation rather than one monolithic state. The East Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak joined the federation many years after the formation of the Malaysian federation (right after Singapore left the federation). Sabah and Sarawak have very high non-Muslim population. Penang island is Chinese dominated. It is high time these provinces leave the federation before it gets too late..

you guys, it is not too late to join with Indonesia we will always welcoming you with open arms together we will stand against Malaysian evil discrimination against minorities
 
Malaysia and Maldives .. both their tourism industry will go down over the course of time.
 

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