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Rebuilding Pakistan Navy Aviation.

OK - so we have 1 squadron of JFT and scrap the surface fleet and invest in Submarines - Well, what kinds of threats is PN likely to face? for instance, is 1 squadron enough for those powers who will threaten us with AC and submarines and surface ships that can launch hundred of cruise missiles against us?

Should PN develop a strategy along the lines that PLAN have developed? one of "Denial" ? to not allow the adversaries to use their capabilities against us?

I for one am persuaded that Indian Navy is that the threat we have to worry about. it is the navy of non-Asian countries who along with their Middle Eastern allies who are the real threat, in my opinion.
With a limited budget, the only effective way is high number Submarines and combat aircraft along with MPA's - Sea Denial instead of Sea Dominance/Projection

Surface fleet is just sacrificial lamb against any strong Navy. Unless you plan to go the whole hog in developing surface capabilities, having a few medium category frigates is a bad decision.
 
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With a limited budget, the only effective way is high number Submarines and combat aircraft along with MPA's - Sea Denial instead of Sea Dominance/Projection

Surface fleet is just sacrificial lamb against any strong Navy. Unless you plan to go the whole hog in developing surface capabilities, having a few medium category frigates is a bad decision.

A very one-dimensional perspective on the navy's purpose and mission.
 
A very one-dimensional perspective on the navy's purpose and mission.

Your opinion?
If PN was starting from absolute scratch, but had the same budget it does not. What force structure would you recommend?
 
whats there to rebuild...

2 P3C's which were lost will not be replaced.
Z9EC's have replaced the Lynx and the Alouette's in the ASW role.
SeaKings are being upgraded.
F27's are being replaced with ATR-42 in MSA role.
PAF will continue to provide Maritime Strike role.
other options are being considered.
 
whats there to rebuild...
Rebuild as in reset/reboot.

Hypothetical situation mate. How and what strategy and force structure would you have put up for PN if you had a clean slate but the same amount of money that PN has.
 
A very one-dimensional perspective on the navy's purpose and mission.


Certainly a valid point, perhaps you could elaborate, within the context of budgetary constraints, what kinds of threats and capabilities PN ought to develop

For instance, do you agree with the proposition that India are not the priority threat and that it the threat is a non_Asian power which has most recently acted and will more than likely continue to act with enthusiasm (along with their ME/Gulf allies), against states such as Pakistan
 
For instance, do you agree with the proposition that India are not the priority threat and that it the threat is a non_Asian power which has most recently acted and will more than likely continue to act with enthusiasm (along with their ME/Gulf allies), against states such as Pakistan

On what basis do you make this assumption sir? The OBL operation was certainly involving a aircraft carrier, but then again, it was not a real USN against PN scenario. The USN fleet has been in this region for a decade plus now, increasing significantly because of the WoT in Afg. Middle Eastern countries do not pose such a big threat that a force much larger than the current one is needed to counter. Secondly, ME countries would not be having a real reason to come in and stand against us in the Arabian sea. Sure they are having their concerns about Gwadar and the changing geo-political situation in Balochistan, but I don't think it would escalate to such an extent that their navies would come out at sea. At best IMO, they would be playing a base camp role, like they are playing for Afg (Qatari bases for US etc).

IMO, the imminent threat, and one for the next 5 years or so will remain India. The US and other countries will make their presence felt, and also sometimes do aggressive postures, but not to the extent that PN as to drastically rethink it's policy and revamp it's fleet.
 
Thank you for your post - I would ask if you know where Bahrain is and whether you are aware of which fleet is head quartered there, Are also aware of the GCC's role in conjunction with US/NATO in Syria??

Human rights and political rights in Syria good - Jihad in Syria good -- Human rights and political rights in Bahrain and and other Wahabi tyrannies, bad?? Jihad in Afghanistan, bad?? - you bet

Indian armed forces continue to develop capabilities, not once used against Pakistan, whereas threats both verbal, physical continue to emanate from the "Coalition" --- Salalah, Abbottabad -- fact of the matter is that to many Pakistanis, a servile attitude is something that they cannot imagine ever getting rid of, that's why they are unable to acknowledge the threat right before them and instead focus on distant make believe threats of Indian this and that.
 
Thank you for your post - I would ask if you know where Bahrain is and whether you are aware of which fleet is head quartered there, Are also aware of the GCC's role in conjunction with US/NATO in Syria??

Human rights and political rights in Syria good - Jihad in Syria good -- Human rights and political rights in Bahrain and and other Wahabi tyrannies, bad?? Jihad in Afghanistan, bad?? - you bet

I am well aware of the US presence in this region. And 5th fleet is in Bahrain!:D

IMO, Syria and Libya are different cases. So called oppressive dictators ruling over the countries, a hype created, people mobilized and voila, you have a mess there. But Pakistan is different. We are not giving out a strong face to the US or the world community with our foreign policies (like Iran), nor are we really threatening anybody, and we have a so called democratic system in place for the time being. So not alot in common between us and Libya/Syria.

Indian armed forces continue to develop capabilities, not once used against Pakistan, whereas threats both verbal, physical continue to emanate from the "Coalition" --- Salalah, Abbottabad -- fact of the matter is that to many Pakistanis, a servile attitude is something that they cannot imagine ever getting rid of, that's why they are unable to acknowledge the threat right before them and instead focus on distant make believe threats of Indian this and that.

Not once used but developed with Pakistan in mind.

Those threats will remain threats for sometime to come, and won't escalate to a situation where a mass mobilization takes place, and a standoff occurs. The US is always on the mind of the military forces in Pakistan, and there is always a thought in the back of their minds, but the imminent threat is India for the next 5 years. India want to move on to bigger things and try to project it's power on a bigger world scale, but we are still it's neighbors with a bitter history, and neither they, nor we can afford to let each other off the hook and be looking onto other things. India in spite of it's ambitions on the global scale, keeps us in mind, and we need to keep them in mind, along with US ofcourse.

I am agreeing with you on the part that US is not our biggest ally and will be a major opposing force for us in the near future, but it won't escalate the situation to such an extent that we have to change our focus from India to US. Both will be kept in mind, and India will be on top priority.

Anyways, let's think of this scenario that we indeed will be at loggerheads with the US in say 3-4 years, what do you suggest we do with the navy?
 
Nukilla


You fail to understand what "Strategic partnership" mean in the context of Israel and India to the US -- but live and learn - We will continue to live under this threat, with the sword at our throats (slings and arrows of outrageous fortune) unless of course, (by opposing end them) - which is nobler, for Pakistanis to decide
 

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