Reagan Carrier Group and amphib assault ship Tripoli armed with F-35s operating near Taiwan

[zzzz]

If you think China can attack USN and they won't fire back because China has ICBM's you'll be in for a surprise.

Remember when Chinas pal Russia fumed they'll attack NATO countries if Ukraine is supplied with tube & rocket artillery? I do remeber, but Russians don't as they haven't done anything. China is same way... all talk.

Militaries of dictatorships are notoriously unreliable and PLA has same amount, if not more, corruption as Russian military.

As a second tier vassal of NATO military dictatorship you sure know what you are talking about.

When the territory of supposedly most important NATO 'ally' is being taken away by Russia the only thing NATO can do is barking loudly and sending couple of howitzers per week to help them.

No one should be surprised about that, enormously corrupt leadership of military dictatorships like NATO or US only cares about their own enrichment and brainwashing their own stupid and gullible population, not actual war with someone who can kick their dirty and cowardly asses

 

[Broccoli]

As a second tier vassal of NATO military dictatorship you sure know what you are talking about.

When the territory of supposedly most important NATO 'ally' is being taken away by Russia the only thing NATO can do is barking loudly and sending couple of howitzers per week to help them.

No one should be surprised about that, enormously corrupt leadership of military dictatorships like NATO or US only cares about their own enrichment and brainwashing their own stupid and gullible population, not actual war with someone who can kick their dirty and cowardly asses

Unlike in Russia there are actually elections in western countries so stop that projection about dictartorships.

How is Russias three day military operation going on? Everyone has seen Russia is no match to US and they are struggling with Ukraine.

Btw, Russia controls less Ukraine than they did three months ago... I wonder how that happened.

 

[serenity]

Invading Taiwan to control the island by force can cost too much resources and money.
As China's government basically implied military force, they probably will carry through with it if they must. It may take days or weeks to prepare and start.


There is the thinking that China will choose to ignore it just so it doesn't get trapped by expensive long war think Afghanistan and Iraq combined for USA. This allows it to still maintain focus on development and performing reunification after achieving higher level of military abilities compared to the USA. However the problem with this is that CPC basically already implied military action therefore at least we can expect in following weeks or months if not days where China will perform some military action.

How extreme there is no way to tell now despite troop movements. Will it be full invasion or strikes on Taiwan's offensive weapons sites and airforce facilities, no idea. Will the USA get involved if any military strikes or invasion happens, no idea. What extent of all these things? also impossible to say just now.

One thing is certain, CPC is usually more willing to bide its time and prefer development and progress over war, such is part of the reason for the civil war to not be concluded yet with US support in the past and the gap being so different in the past.


This time CPC has been very vocal and constantly suggesting military action. So we shall see which decisions are made on this issue.


It is quite strange though. It is not unprecedented for house speak and congress people to visit Taiwan. Well for house speaker that only happened once in 1997. Yet CPC is not letting this occasion slide. Perhaps the plan is to use this trip to perform armed reunification.

 

[zzzz]

Unlike in Russia there are actually elections in western countries so stop that projection about dictartorships.

How is Russias three day military operation going on? Everyone has seen Russia is no match to US and they are struggling with Ukraine.

Btw, Russia controls less Ukraine than they did three months ago... I wonder how that happened.

LOL Russia is independent democratic state with a multipolar party system and freedom of speech.

Most Western states are pseudo democracies ruled by unelected leaders and de facto just colonies and vassals of NATO and US. Their leaders are chosen by noname corrupt and bribed parliament members, they are not allowed to have any media or political party opposing the idea of being a puppet regime of US and anyone who says that is repressed and prosecuted. Learn your place, vassal.

How is operation going? Well 200k Russian troops are succesfully massacring '1 million' army supplied by whole NATO. Thats good enough. Compare with NATO performance in Afghanistan.

For the last 4 months every straight single day Russia increases the size of Ukrainian territory under its control.

 

[SIPRA]

China will respond at the time of it's own choosing.

 

[aziqbal]

China is not Iraq. To be honest, Chinese are not afraid of US aircraft carriers. They are easy targets for anti-ship missles after all. The unpredictable consequences of two most powerful countries conflict is what we are worried. But seems US doesn't care about this. Why should we care?

When Americans bring the full force spectrum of its military operations to bear it will annihilate China

Intelligence, Space, Eavesdropping, code breaking, surveillance, intercepting, real time monitoring, jamming, electronic warfare and whole host of other capability the US has is unequalled

the force Americans can bring in is unmatched if against a similar foe

Iraq had no Air Force and no Navy, its land army was wiped Clean in 24 hours

in open warfare Americans rain supreme

 

[Mista]

I think that was a mistake on Xi's part. The way they openly declared they will react to any visit by Pelosi to Taiwan shows they underestimated US resolve to go through with the visit. Now it seems the US will indeed push through with the visit. Xi Jinping is in no mood to start a war with the US(which he isn't even sure he can win) over this little matter, so he's no stuck between a rock and a hard place. Since they already proclaimed publicly that they will react militarily if US goes through with this visit, now they don't know what to do. It will be a big lost of Face for Xi's regime(since I'm 99% sure he won't do shit when the US military is escorts Pelosi to Taiwan). So now the problem is to explain this to the Chinese public or even his rivals in the party. Will be interesting to see.

I think it's a dumb move on the US side.

The visit only makes sense if the US wants to provoke China and incite a regional conflict and thwart China's development.

But if the US is serious about co-existing with China in the long term and not to allow their competition to lead to some form of military conflict, whether it's direct or indirect like in Ukraine now, then the visit is an unnecessary provocation which runs against every one's interests (including Taiwan's). What's the value of the visit which is worth the provocation? To show that you stand with Taiwan and democracy? To point a middle finger to China for domestic political consumption?

You may think it's no big deal and China is just throwing tantrum, but that's from your POV. Every country has their own sensitivities, like in the US it's race, in some countries it's religion etc. For China, you obviously know that Taiwan is a red line and a very sensitive subject for them which they must respond if provoked. Just because you can poke their sore point doesn't mean that you should do it for no apparent reason. To do so reeks ignorance and insensitivity.

That said, I don't think China will shoot down any plane and really start a conflict now. They will take the opportunity to conduct military exercises nearer to Taiwan which are too provocative in normal times and normalize such military exercises in the future, effectively tightening Taiwan's military space. And maybe retaliation against Taiwan which will further shrink their economic/diplomatic space as well. I read that they just announced import bans from more than 100 Taiwanese food suppliers. In the end, it will be Taiwan and their people who suffer the consequences.

What becomes more problematic is if China also wants to point the middle finger to the US. You know, like providing financial or military support to Russia, sustaining Putin and dragging the war which lead to more deaths and misery in Europe. Both the US and China don't suffer direct consequences of their actions; it's the smaller powers which suffer from their indirect retaliation against each other.

 

[8888888888888]

Hope they enjoy this because this will be common from now on.

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

I think it's a dumb move on the US side.

The visit only makes sense if the US wants to provoke China and incite a regional conflict and thwart China's development.

But if the US is serious about co-existing with China in the long term and not to allow their competition to lead to some form of military conflict, whether it's direct or indirect like in Ukraine now, then the visit is an unnecessary provocation which runs against every one's interests (including Taiwan's). What's the value of the visit which is worth the provocation? To show that you stand with Taiwan and democracy? To point a middle finger to China for domestic political consumption?

You may think it's no big deal and China is just throwing tantrum, but that's from your POV. Every country has their own sensitivities, like in the US it's race, in some countries it's religion etc. For China, you obviously know that Taiwan is a red line and a very sensitive subject for them which they must respond if provoked. Just because you can poke their sore point doesn't mean that you should do it for no apparent reason. To do so reeks ignorance and insensitivity.

That said, I don't think China will shoot down any plane and really start a conflict now. They will take the opportunity to conduct military exercises nearer to Taiwan which are too provocative in normal times and normalize such military exercises in the future, effectively tightening Taiwan's military space. And maybe retaliation against Taiwan which will further shrink their economic/diplomatic space as well. I read that they just announced import bans from more than 100 Taiwanese food suppliers. In the end, it will be Taiwan and their people who suffer the consequences.

What becomes more problematic is if China also wants to point the middle finger to the US. You know, like providing financial or military support to Russia, sustaining Putin and dragging the war which lead to more deaths and misery in Europe. Both the US and China don't suffer direct consequences of their actions; it's the smaller powers which suffer from their indirect retaliation against each other.

Yup. The whole episode is so inane. Pelosi visiting Taiwan doesn't achieve anything fir anybody. US has already long agreed to one china policy. She made this stupid announcement, Pentagon made the idiotic mistake of voicing its objection publicly and next thing you know CCP is forced to say something on response. Both US and China lost points and Taiwan suffers a bit in the process.

Putin attacking Ukraine ended up expanding NATO !!! Ukrainians are losing g lives and cities, Russians are losing lives and their economy. But NATO has expanded and Europe is even more beholden to the mighty USA.

Clearly the world powers have idiots clowns lovers for leaders

 

[Imran Khan]

There's no shame in fighting and losing.

Can't say that about Pakistan trying to disown its gallant soldiers that were martyred in Kargil and elsewhere.

since you guys born you feed these lies and keep repeating it all of your age . even many neutral sources like BBC have investigated and denied this BS claim but you indians will keep repeating .
even though lists are published memorials were raised in azad kashmir you guys keep lying

Pakistani Army Martyrs in Kashmir 1999 | the Polynational War Memorial

In 2010 the Pakistan Army included the names of 453 soldiers and officers who were killed in the Kargil War on its website. The name for the campaign was Operation Koh-e-Paima or Mountain of Resolve.

www.war-memorial.net

go and translate it story named

the missing solders of kargil

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www.bbc.com

 

[UKBengali]

I think it's a dumb move on the US side.

The visit only makes sense if the US wants to provoke China and incite a regional conflict and thwart China's development.

But if the US is serious about co-existing with China in the long term and not to allow their competition to lead to some form of military conflict, whether it's direct or indirect like in Ukraine now, then the visit is an unnecessary provocation which runs against every one's interests (including Taiwan's). What's the value of the visit which is worth the provocation? To show that you stand with Taiwan and democracy? To point a middle finger to China for domestic political consumption?

You may think it's no big deal and China is just throwing tantrum, but that's from your POV. Every country has their own sensitivities, like in the US it's race, in some countries it's religion etc. For China, you obviously know that Taiwan is a red line and a very sensitive subject for them which they must respond if provoked. Just because you can poke their sore point doesn't mean that you should do it for no apparent reason. To do so reeks ignorance and insensitivity.

That said, I don't think China will shoot down any plane and really start a conflict now. They will take the opportunity to conduct military exercises nearer to Taiwan which are too provocative in normal times and normalize such military exercises in the future, effectively tightening Taiwan's military space. And maybe retaliation against Taiwan which will further shrink their economic/diplomatic space as well. I read that they just announced import bans from more than 100 Taiwanese food suppliers. In the end, it will be Taiwan and their people who suffer the consequences.

What becomes more problematic is if China also wants to point the middle finger to the US. You know, like providing financial or military support to Russia, sustaining Putin and dragging the war which lead to more deaths and misery in Europe. Both the US and China don't suffer direct consequences of their actions; it's the smaller powers which suffer from their indirect retaliation against each other.

Probably the best post I have read on this topic so far.

Everyone knows that Taiwan's final destiny is to reunite with the mainland and it is well past time that the US and other influential outside powers start urging Taiwan to recognise their ultimate destiny and start talks on a peaceful reunification.

 

[Indos]

Yup. The whole episode is so inane. Pelosi visiting Taiwan doesn't achieve anything fir anybody. US has already long agreed to one china policy. She made this stupid announcement, Pentagon made the idiotic mistake of voicing its objection publicly and next thing you know CCP is forced to say something on response. Both US and China lost points and Taiwan suffers a bit in the process.

Putin attacking Ukraine ended up expanding NATO !!! Ukrainians are losing g lives and cities, Russians are losing lives and their economy. But NATO has expanded and Europe is even more beholden to the mighty USA.

Clearly the world powers have idiots clowns lovers for leaders

For Russian I can a bit understand,

This Putin still has belief that speaking Russian provinces in Ukraine should be liberated after Russia getting stronger economically after the down fall of USSR in 1990.

Russian speaking provinces in Ukraine is similar like Kashmir belonging to Pakistani since 90 % of Kashmiris are Muslim and ethnically similar to rest of Pakistani.

It is also emotional to see Russian speaking people in Ukraine under Ukrainian government where there is sudden policy to eliminate Russian language usage as well before the war happened.

And previous Dombas war also hurt Russian feeling, as on how on Earth weaker Ukrainian can resist on Russian separatist attack that is helped by Russian. Russian see Donbas like the way Pakistani see Kasmir, the different is that Russia is very strong compared to Ukrainian.

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Russian-Ukrainian conflicts is of course derived from emotion, but emotion is part of human psychology as well, where many of our decision is derived by emotion.

USA invasion on Afghanistan and Iraq are also among decision based on emotion, not logic (cost and benefit analysist). When we are in more stronger position, there is tendency to bully the weaker as well. What happen in modern world still follow what happened in the past and this is some what easier to happen between large and strong nations versus much smaller and much weaker nations.

But I highly see CCP is quite mature and not fall on emotion based decision. This another episode of tension in China-Taiwan relation by doing some military manuevers and practices is predictable, but there will be cost of doing this kind of action as well.

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

For Russian I can a bit understand,

This Putin still has belief that speaking Russian provinces in Ukraine should be liberated after Russia getting stronger economically after the down fall of USSR in 1990.

Russian speaking provinces in Ukraine is similar like Kashmir belonging to Pakistani since 90 % of Kashmiris are Muslim and ethnically similar to rest of Pakistani.

It is also emotional to see Russian speaking people in Ukraine under Ukrainian government where there is sudden policy to eliminate Russian language usage as well before the war happened.

And previous Dombas war also hurt Russian feeling, as on how on Earth weaker Ukrainian can resist on Russian separatist attack that is helped by Russian. Russian see Donbas like the way Pakistani see Kasmir, the different is that Russia is very strong compared to Ukrainian.

---------------------------------------

Russian-Ukrainian conflicts is of course derived from emotion, but emotion is part of human psychology as well, where many of our decision is derived by emotion.

USA invasion on Afghanistan and Iraq are also among decision based on emotion, not logic (cost and benefit analysist). When we are in more stronger position, there is tendency to bully the weaker as well. What happen in modern world still follow what happened in the past and this is some what easier to happen between large and strong nations versus much smaller and much weaker nations.

But I highly see CCP is quite mature and not fall on emotion based decision. This another episode of tension in China-Taiwan relation by doing some military manuevers and practices is predictable, but there will be cost of doing this kind of action as well.

Unfortunately CCP can afford to be selectively mature as there is no dissent allowed.
Every where in democracies incapable leaders seem to count on a democracy handicap when it comes to effectiveness while tyrannical countries bask on the efficiency of the tyrant

 

[Indos]

Unfortunately CCP can afford to be selectively mature as there is no dissent allowed.
Every where in democracies incapable leaders seem to count on a democracy handicap when it comes to effectiveness while tyrannical countries bask on the efficiency of the tyrant

This China-Taiwan tension provoked by Pelosi will be case study to see CCP decision making process. I predict they will not escalate it too much, but the respond by China to punish USA and its Western ally will likely by helping Russia economy more, which will be very bad to US/Western nations economy, and also India economy, as it can make Russia has much more economic capability to continue the war and capture Ukraine land despite Western economic sanctions.

 

[DoTell]

Unfortunately CCP can afford to be selectively mature as there is no dissent allowed.
Every where in democracies incapable leaders seem to count on a democracy handicap when it comes to effectiveness while tyrannical countries bask on the efficiency of the tyrant

Democracy has too many shortcomings that make no sense at all. It is not a universal form of governance that works for everyone. ”Democracy isn’t perfect but it’s the best“ is probably the most famous cliche that has fooled people over and over. Every stupid thing that happened in a democracy is because “we’re not perfect”. As if somehow the problems will fix themselves. Well, faith is a wonderful thing. Democracy should be treated like a religion. You believe your god and you leave others alone.