RC400 and MBDA MICA approved for JF-17

[truepakistani17]

^ So it is safe to say that AIM-120C5 will only be used in the F-16s? French MICA will be used in JF-17 and J-10?

but sir with SD10 present for JF17 and the MICA not being much superior to SD10 in flight specs do you think there was a great need for this sort of deal. also keep in mind that we can not claim RC400 to be a great improvement to already present KLJ radars until we know its specs!!!
i hope it have nothing to do with our leaders individual intrest and will actually yeild something beneficial for PAF...
thanks!

 

[Kompromat]

RC 400 compact multimission, multitarget radar (France), Airborne radar systems


Type
Airborne Fire Control Radar (FCR).

Description
The Radar Compact (RC) RC 400 is a modular, lightweight, compact, multimission radar. The radar has been designed for a wide range of fighters and advanced training aircraft. RC 400 technology is derived from the RDY-2 radar (see separate entry), which equips the Mirage 2000-5. The baseline architecture comprises four Line-Replaceable Units (LRUs): a monopulse flat slotted array antenna equipped with IFF dipoles, a 2-channel, wide dynamic range exciter/receiver, an 8-12 GHz transmitter unit and a fully programmable signal and data processing unit. This configuration can be reconfigured as required to fit the nose of most aircraft types and only requires non-filtered air-cooling. Several antenna options are available, based on a low inertia, flat slotted-plate design, with very low side lobes.The RC 400 design features track-while-scan, smart automatic management of scanning and target prioritisation. This provides accurate, multiple fire-and-forget capability, together with datalink requirements for missile control. The radar utilises high-, medium- and low-PRFs to optimise performance in all Beyond Visual Range (BVR) interception missions, as well as combat phases of operation. Within a given mode, the PRF is automatically managed from bar to bar, with respect to attack geometry.The RC 400 offers the following operational capabilities:Air-to-air: all-aspect look up/look down detection; automatic management of low-, medium- and high-PRFs; TWS automatic lock-on; simultaneous multitarget engagements; IFFAir-to-ground: improved ground mapping with azimuth beam compression; Doppler beam sharpening; ranging; optional SAR high-resolution mapping; contour mapping for low-altitude penetration; surface MTI and TWS trackAir-to-sea: track-while-scan on two targets; sea target calibration.

MBDA mic A2A misslies

Statics:

Weight 112 kg
Length 3.1 m
Diameter 160 mm

Warhead 12 kg focused splinters HE warhead
Detonation
mechanism RF proximity fuze, impact fuze

Engine One SNPE solid-propellant rocket motor
Wingspan 560 mm
Operational
range from < 500 m to > 60 km [1]
Flight altitude up to 11,000 m
Speed Mach 4
Guidance
system MICA-EM: Inertial guidance
Active radar homing
MICA-IR: Imaging Infrared homing
Launch
platform Dassault Rafale, Mirage 2000, F-16E Block 60

 

[Storm Force]

The french are notoriously very expensive when selling arms.

I use the example of a mirage 2000H upgrade to dash 9 to be $40m a plane.
And rafael cost of over $100m each fuly loaded.

I realise that RC400 is not the best that france has but it intergration to a Eastern chinease fighter will not be cheap.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA ON COST.

JF Thunder biggest strength is its so cheap at just $15m each. BARGIN.

Finally it may be a silly question but why are PAF not looking for AESA RADAR in stead.

Your neighbour already fields a PESA radar which is superior to RC400 MSA radar

And will induct AESA radars ibris on MKI upgrade from 2011 onwards

They will almost certainly induct AESA with MMRCA
And AESA ELTA520 for LCA MK2

I THINK PAF is missing a trick here !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TaimiKhan]

The french are notoriously very expensive when selling arms.

I use the example of a mirage 2000H upgrade to dash 9 to be $40m a plane.
And rafael cost of over $100m each fuly loaded.

I realise that RC400 is not the best that france has but it intergration to a Eastern chinease fighter will not be cheap.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA ON COST.

JF Thunder biggest strength is its so cheap at just $15m each. BARGIN.

Finally it may be a silly question but why are PAF not looking for AESA RADAR in stead.

Your neighbour already fields a PESA radar which is superior to RC400 MSA radar

And will induct AESA radars ibris on MKI upgrade from 2011 onwards

They will almost certainly induct AESA with MMRCA
And AESA ELTA520 for LCA MK2

I THINK PAF is missing a trick here !!!!!!!!!!!!

This news came 2 years back and nothing has been confirmed uptill now, and the talk by the PAF Chief about getting an AESA radar means that this idea has been dropped long time ago. Rather may be PAF looks into the radars by the Italian firm from which we got the Grifo series. I believe they have something based on AESA technology, Vixen series if am not wrong. So lets see what happens in the future.

 

[abbasniazi]

RC-400:
This Radar is believed to have a range of around 100 KM and can track as many as 32 targets. More information is available at the Official Site

http://www.jf-17.com/

 

[Super Falcon]

so where we stand now with french or with chinese and what tsystem we will get for J 10

 

[TaimiKhan]

so where we stand now with french or with chinese and what tsystem we will get for J 10

Well rumors of a Chinese AESA radar on J-10B are there as the nose cone is different then then A variant, suggesting either a PESA radar or an AESA one.

For first 36, my guess would be it would be all Chinese, and if PAF seems satisfied, it may stick to it for the next batch too, or else they will look for a western AESA radar.

And as for JF-17, i believe we might see something being offered from the Italian firm who have helped us in past also with Grifo series radars, the recent ToT for Falco UAV and other stuff.

As the Italian firm would not like to let go such a big order for radars from their hands from one of their most consistent customer.

 

[Storm Force]

I suggested it earlier and i think PAF wud be wise to go for AESA radar if they are going to move away from the KLJ chinease radar.

With IAF probably having an all AESA equipped Air force on 450+
SU30MKI/MMRCA/LCA by 2020 it just makes more sense and better planning long term.

 

[truepakistani17]

@ TamimKhan,

sir can you put some light on RC400 specs like its range number of targets it can track and engage simultaneously???

thankyou!

 

[Quwa]

Selex-Galileo is developing a series of new AESA radars, one of them, the Vixen-750 is aimed for fighter aircraft such as JF-17.

 

[TaimiKhan]

@ TamimKhan,

sir can you put some light on RC400 specs like its range number of targets it can track and engage simultaneously???

thankyou!

Check this out, may give you a good idea.

RC 400 - Airborne Fire Control Radar - Thales Group

http://www.thalesgroup.com/assets/0/93/238/f8757190-2891-454d-b69f-5e27a9a2c4df.pdf?LangType=2057

 

[Kompromat]

Maybe i am a bit sleepy

But , anyway let me tell you guys my personal choice of an AESA radar for JF-17 Thunder Block II.

Here it is the SALEX Galileo Vixen 1000ES AESA Fire Control Radar .



Specs.
The Vixen 1000ES radar is a wide field of regard system optimised for multi-role/ swing role operations. The system features comprehensive mode suite for both A/A and A/G including interleaved operation, ensuring high availability and reliability. The Vixen 1000ES, a collaborative programme with SELEX Galileo, SAAB Microwave and SAAB Aerosystems, builds on established technology from the European leaders in AESA radars and has a clear route map to future capability.

I highly anticipate that this Radar would be installed with JAS-39 Gripen NG.

what do you guys think of it?

SELEX Galileo - Radar

 

[Kompromat]

For those who are talking about Vixen 500E




Vixen 500E
Active Electronically Scanned Fire Control Radar.

We have stood at the forefront of the airborne radar market
since the 1950s when the AI23 radar became the world&#8217;s
first high power monopulse radar to enter squadron service.
To maintain our leading position in the market, we have
been developing Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA)
technology since the early 1990s.
Vixen 500E is a compact, lightweight, AESA radar for Fighter
and Lead-In Fighter Trainer aircraft. Building on over 50
years of fire control radar experience, Vixen 500E delivers
greater performance and higher reliability than comparable
mechanically scanned radars.

EASE OF INSTALLATION
Vixen 500E comprises three main Line Replaceable Units
(LRUs), easing installation and reducing the system volume.
Vixen 500E does not require any interconnecting waveguides,
therefore making the radar installation a quick and simple
procedure.

OBSOLESCENCE PROTECTION
The impact of future obsolescence arising is minimised by
the use of Commercial-Off-The-Shelf based processor cards
with an open and expandable architecture and a software
abstraction layer. This design enables hardware to be replaced
without significantly impacting the radar software.

CAPABILITY

Vixen 500E&#8217;s highly flexible Direct Digital Synthesis generated
pulse compression waveforms support optimised performance
in all modes of operation. Vixen 500E has been designed
to meet the full spectrum of fire control radar operational
requirements, detecting, identifying, prioritising and engaging
targets, whilst remaining resistant to radar countermeasures.
Key Feat ures
&#8226; Low cost ownership
&#8226; Superior performance
&#8226; Superior reliability
&#8226; Software driven
&#8226; Easy to install
&#8226; Easy to use
&#8226; Mode interleaving
&#8226; No waveguides
&#8226; Electronic Beam Steering
&#8226; Beyond visual range weapons compatibility.

=================2====================

RELIABILITY
The Vixen 500E radar minimises the impact of transmitter and
receiver failure by using many solid state Transmit/ Receive
Modules within the fixed array. As a result, component failures
within the array display graceful performance degradation
rather than complete system failure, delivering high operational
availability when compared with conventional, mechanically scanned radar systems.

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Frequency
X band
Scan Coverage
> ± 60°
Scan Velocity
Instant beam switching
MTBcF
> 1000hrs
Modes Available
Air-to-Air Modes Track while scan Single target track
Air Combat Modes HUD search
Vertical scan
Slewable scan
Boresight
Air-to-Surface modes Real beam ground map
Sea Surface Search and Track
Synthetic Aperture Radar mapping
(standard and high resolution)
Ground Moving Target Indicator
Beacon interrogation
Inverse Synthetic Aperture Radar Imaging Freeze
Mode
Interleaved Modes A number of situational awareness modes
Key Parameters
Track While Scan > 10 Targets
SAR Resolution < 3 m
Track Formation Range (look down) > 25 nm
Track Formation Range (look up) > 35 nm

Regards.

 

[Luftwaffe]

selex Galileo Vixen 1000ES AESA Fire Control Radar can PAF acquire this one? 2 things PAF budget and Italians willingness..

 

[Kompromat]

I think we can , lets see it just an option in my mind.