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But can you blame us, I know your textbooks teach you that it was a great indian conspiracy and what not, but the ground reality is that the war happened at our streets and we were at the receiving end of a rampaging Pakistan Army committing genocide, whether that number was 3M or 30,000 does not matter, almost all of our grandparents shared a grim war time story.
On Dec 14th with defeat imminent the Pakistan army rounded up and murdered all our intellectuals, Doctors, student, professors, people you need to run a country.
On Dec 14th 1971 alone Pakistan inflicted more damage on us than India ever will in 100 years, yet there is no official apology from the government.
I know this constant 'we are better than you now' is very very annoying, but this is coming in defence of an insult thrown at us and accusation of being a vassal state or eating too much fish or wearing a lungi etc etc.
Pakistan is our demographic twin, the only other Muslim majority country in the Indian sub continent with similar culture. Pakistan will always be a point of reference to measure our success or failure in any field.


I have never maintained that Bengalis were traitors or tried to downplay the atrocities of 1971. You are welcome to check my posts. I have argued in favor of you guys.

1971 was a dark chapter. We should move on. I have no qualms in apologizing and though I or the current generation have nothing to do with it, I am still sorry that West Pakistan collectively hurt you. Or your ancestors @DalalErMaNodi
 
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But can you blame us, I know your textbooks teach you that it was a great indian conspiracy and what not, but the ground reality is that the war happened at our streets and we were at the receiving end of a rampaging Pakistan Army committing genocide, whether that number was 3M or 30,000 does not matter, almost all of our grandparents shared a grim war time story.
On Dec 14th with defeat imminent the Pakistan army rounded up and murdered all our intellectuals, Doctors, student, professors, people you need to run a country.
On Dec 14th 1971 alone Pakistan inflicted more damage on us than India ever will in 100 years, yet there is no official apology from the government.
I know this constant 'we are better than you now' is very very annoying, but this is coming in defence of an insult thrown at us and accusation of being a vassal state or eating too much fish or wearing a lungi etc etc.
Pakistan is our demographic twin, the only other Muslim majority country in the Indian sub continent with similar culture. Pakistan will always be a point of reference to measure our success or failure in any field.

Move on beyond '71. You are stuck in the past and fighting with ghosts who have long gone.

Pakistan is very different from BD, actually we should never have been in the same country to begin with. We have very little in common except Islamic faith. We also share that in common with far off countries like Mali and Brunei.
 
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Kill the chicken to scare the monkey (杀鸡儆猴, lit. kill chicken(BD) scare monkey(IND) is an old Chinese idiom. It refers to making an example out of someone in order to threaten others.
 
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Pakistan will always be a point of reference to measure our success or failure in any field.

Don't copy Indians with their Pakistsn obsession, you guys are better than them. Be confident in yourself.

By virtue of being Muslims, you are blessed by Allah swt above much of mankind.

We don't have a similar culture, Pakistani culture is more related to North Indian Culture with mixes of Islam, Arabic and Persian bits,... where as ours is Bengali culture with Bengali muslim values.

Wrong. We are more related to Afghanistan, Turkey, Turkics, Iran, and Arabs.

Indian Muslim mindset and their historical reality is very different from ours.

This why also Kashmir (who are Pakistanis) and Indian Muslims are treated differently by Indians and have very little in common.
 
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Wrong. We are more related to Afghanistan, Turkey, Turkics, Iran, and Arabs.

Indian Muslim mindset and their historical reality is very different from ours.

This why also Kashmir (who are Pakistanis) and Indian Muslims are treated differently by Indians and have very little in common.
Eighty percent Pakistani(Punjabi+Sindhi+Saraiki+Mohajir) speak in language which originated and spoken by people essentially belongs to northern part of Indian sub-continent.

Pakistan's national language Urdu is 100 percent a north Indian language(origin in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar)

Pakistani's dress, food habits, cultural expression(songs, poems, drama, cinema etc.) belongs to South Asia, not middle east or Central Asia.

You Punjabis are same with Indian Punjabi Muslims but has nothing in common with Kyrghiz or Kazakh. You Sindhis has more in common with Gujarati Muslim then Syrian or Egyptians.

You Saraikis has more in common with Indian Rajasthani Muslims then Persian or Turkish.

Your Balochis has similarity with Iranian Baloch, not with Persian, Your Pashtuns has similarity with Afghan Pashtun, not with Turkish.

This similarities also applies to looks or physical attributes.

It is understandable that, you want cultural divorce with India. But you should not deny your South Asian roots or relation with Indian Muslims. It is both false and delusional per excellence.
 
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Don't copy Indians with their Pakistsn obsession, you guys are better than them. Be confident in yourself.

By virtue of being Muslims, you are blessed by Allah swt above much of mankind.



Wrong. We are more related to Afghanistan, Turkey, Turkics, Iran, and Arabs.

Indian Muslim mindset and their historical reality is very different from ours.

This why also Kashmir (who are Pakistanis) and Indian Muslims are treated differently by Indians and have very little in common.
I know this is more like an anecdotal evidence, but since moving to the US during my teenage years and during my undergrad almost every Pakistani student I know shared a very close bond and friendship with the Indian students, both the ones born in Pakistan and US. They have maintained that bond many years after graduation, even after moving to their respective countries or staying in the US. In an university setting with thousands of international students they had equal chances to mingle with any other ethnicity you mentioned yet they found more in common with the Indians, there is an obvious similarity in culture you can't ignore.
 
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Eighty percent Pakistani(Punjabi+Sindhi+Saraiki+Mohajir) speak in language which originated and spoken by essentially northern part of Indian sub-continent.

Pakistan's national language Urdu is 100 percent a north Indian language(origin in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar)

Pakistani's dress, food habits, cultural expression(songs, poems, drama, cinema etc.) belongs to South Asia, not middle east or Central Asia.

You Punjabis are same with Indian Punjabi Muslims but has nothing in common with Kyrghiz or Kazakh. You Sindhis has more in common with Gujarati Muslim then Syrian or Egyptians.

You Saraikis has more in common with Indian Rajasthani Muslims then Persian or Turkish.

Your Balochis has similarity with Iranian Baloch, not with Persian, Your Pashtuns has similarity with Afghan Pashtun, not with Turkish.

This similarities also applied to looks or physical attributes.

It is understandable that, you want cultural divorce with India. But you should not deny your South Asian roots or relation with Indian Muslims. It is both false and delusional per excellence.

Your percentages are off, but I don't expect much from someone 2,000 kms away.

Actually the major influence on Urdu has been Punjabi, which is a language formed in IVC territory and unique in the world. Punjabi has a major contribution from Farsi and Turkish Oghuz/Chagatai branch languages.

Urdu was a languaged formed from Muslim armies which stretched from Afghanistan to former Muslim majority area around current UP. Lahore is as much native for Urdu as any city in India today.

This has been discussed many times in Pakistan history section, you are free to open a topic on it.

How does Pakistani dress, food, song, poetry belong to your foreigners sitting in BD and India?

Shalwar Kameez is from Turkic culture and Kurdish culture. Firaaq is from Afghanistan and Iran. Biryani is from Pilao, which is Afghan/Turkish. Kababs from Turkey. Rest all dishes are native Mughlai, Pukhtoon, or IVC origin. Our song and poetic tradition is from Iran and Afghanistan.

Punjabis of Pakistan and India have very different looks and culture, due to religion and mixing. We are mixed with Kashmiris, Pukhtoons, Sindhis, and Baloch. Sikh Punjabi are mixed with darker Indians down south.

I find point of Siraikis laughable and also Sindhis. The reason why you claim similarity of Sindhis with Gujuratis is due to exodus of Sindhi Hindus and influx of Junagarh families like Bhuttos. Next.

Pukhtoon and Baloch are two similar ethnic groups which share commonality with Punjabis, Sindhis, GB, and Kashmiris. As a foreigner I wouldn't expect you to know the nuances.

Our roots are IVC and Iranic nomads, like Saka/Kushan/Hepthalite, both unique to our country (which neither Indian nor BD share.) Our looks and culture make obvious the differences between us and Ganges-Padma delta civilization of prehistory.

I never said we look exactly like Arabs, Iranians, Turks, and others. You are lying to create your narrative.

Pakistan is unique in the whole world.

BD is not much different racially from India, but that broad paintbrush cannot be used to paint us in the same manner.

Every Pakistani will tell you the same.

If you want to continue, create the relevant thread.

I know this is more like an anecdotal evidence, but since moving to the US during my teenage years and during my undergrad almost every Pakistani student I know shared a very close bond and friendship with the Indian students, both the ones born in Pakistan and US. They have maintained that bond many years after graduation, even after moving to their respective countries or staying in the US. In an university setting with thousands of international students they had equal chances to mingle with any other ethnicity you mentioned yet they found more in common with the Indians, there is an obvious similarity in culture you can't ignore.

Not case anymore. Usually we are closer to Arabs in the West also.
 
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Your percentages are off, but I don't expect much from someone 2,000 kms away.

Actually the major influence on Urdu has been Punjabi, which is a language formed in IVC territory and unique in the world. Punjabi has a major contribution from Farsi and Turkish Oghuz/Chagatai branch languages.

Urdu was a languaged formed from Muslim armies which stretched from Afghanistan to former Muslim majority area around current UP. Lahore is as much native for Urdu as any city in India today.

This has been discussed many times in Pakistan history section, you are free to open a topic on it.

How does Pakistani dress, food, song, poetry belong to your foreigners sitting in BD and India?

Shalwar Kameez is from Turkic culture and Kurdish culture. Firaaq is from Afghanistan and Iran. Biryani is from Pilao, which is Afghan/Turkish. Kababs from Turkey. Rest all dishes are native Mughlai, Pukhtoon, or IVC origin. Our song and poetic tradition is from Iran and Afghanistan.

Punjabis of Pakistan and India have very different looks and culture, due to religion and mixing. We are mixed with Kashmiris, Pukhtoons, Sindhis, and Baloch. Sikh Punjabi are mixed with darker Indians down south.

I find point of Siraikis laughable and also Sindhis. The reason why you claim similarity of Sindhis with Gujuratis is due to exodus of Sindhi Hindus and influx of Junagarh families like Bhuttos. Next.

Pukhtoon and Baloch are two similar ethnic groups which share commonality with Punjabis, Sindhis, GB, and Kashmiris. As a foreigner I wouldn't expect you to know the nuances.

Our roots are IVC and Iranic nomads, like Saka/Kushan/Hepthalite, both unique to our country (which neither Indian nor BD share.) Our looks and culture make obvious the differences between us and Ganges-Padma delta civilization of prehistory.

I never said we look exactly like Arabs, Iranians, Turks, and others. You are lying to create your narrative.

Pakistan is unique in the whole world.

BD is not much different racially from India, but that broad paintbrush cannot be used to paint us in the same manner.

Every Pakistani will tell you the same.

If you want to continue, create the relevant thread.



Not case anymore. Usually we are closer to Arabs in the West also.

If you say so.

That has not been my observation at all.

Maybe its different in California or wherever it is you are from.

But certainly not the case in the NYC area or Texas.

Typically Arabs are closer, Indo-Pak-Bang are closer, Nigerians/blacks closer. etc. etc.
 
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Indian Media : Bangladeshi nation has spoken, they stand with India against China in Mass numbers, there were Millions of People in the streets of Dhaka Chanting Pro India and Pro Modi Slogans, Pak ki ek aur Na Pak Sajish nakaam :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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I know this is more like an anecdotal evidence, but since moving to the US during my teenage years and during my undergrad almost every Pakistani student I know shared a very close bond and friendship with the Indian students, both the ones born in Pakistan and US. They have maintained that bond many years after graduation, even after moving to their respective countries or staying in the US. In an university setting with thousands of international students they had equal chances to mingle with any other ethnicity you mentioned yet they found more in common with the Indians, there is an obvious similarity in culture you can't ignore.

I discussed this in a thread with other Pakistanis recently. Pakistan culture, also similar to Pukhtoon culture of Afghanistan and Occupied Kashmir, stresses high importance of Mehman dari, meaning hospitality to guests.

We are obligated to make the guest comfortable when we sit with them. We bring out the best food, give them they best seats, etc.

Then after guest has been made comfortable, we talk with that guest to stress commonalities and to find mutual acquaintances. This was useful for our culture for centuries in potential marriage meetings, the main way Pakistanis get married,, even today..

What Indian and some BD people misunderstand is that they think this mehman dari implies some kind of commonality and that we are same, it does not.

Indian, West Indies, Americans, Japanese, Chinese and any other guests are treated the same way by Pakistanis. All come back believing that they are close to Pakistanis due to the extreme hospitality they have experienced.

Unfortunately in the West, our confused people went even a step further in losing their culture and trying to form commonality with Hindus and Sikhs. However whenever there is 27 Feb 2019 or Galwan loss, the old scars come back up very quickly.

Pakistani and Indian community in the US is no longer on friendly terms due to Kashmir and Indian Muslim issues, but mostly due to the rabid Islamophobia coming from Indians.

Many BD also have wrong and prejudiced opinions of Pakistanis, but I think it is only like half of you guys.

As a Pakistani who speaks Urdu and Punjabi fluently and decent amount of Pukhto and Hindko, I believe I am in a pretty good place to judge my countrymens' experiences better than you guys.

If you say so.

That has not been my observation at all.

Maybe its different in California or wherever it is you are from.

But certainly not the case in the NYC area or Texas.

Typically Arabs are closer, Indo-Pak-Bang are closer, Nigerians/blacks closer. etc. etc.

You feel this way due to mehman dari of Pakistanis. Pakistanis are a very Islamic oriented people and fiercely proud of our history and our identity. Naturally Muslims of BD will be seen favorably by us.

However it is not limited to only BD, but to other Muslims as well, esp Arabs, Turks, Iranians, and Afghans.

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable in the realm of languages, as in addition to the languages I speak, I am also learning Turkish and Farsi. I can understand fair amount of those languages due to the commonality with them and the Pakistani variant of Urdu (which is almost like a dialect of Dari at highest levels.)

I cannot make head or tales of the Bangla language, the origin is completely different. I read once that it is similar to Pali, which ancient Buddhist scriptures were written in.

But certainly not the case in the NYC area or Texas.

It is. You just don't see it from the Pakistani perspective. All old neighborhoods of Pakistanis in NYC are Bengali and Indian now. None of Pakistanis like it.

They will never say it to your face, because that is against spirit of mehman dari which I explained above.

Pakistanis won't even insult Indian Hindu who is abusing Pakistan due to this same spirit of mehman dari. We will move away and share our real feelings with Pakistanis or other Muslims.
 
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I discussed this in a thread with other Pakistanis recently. Pakistan culture, also similar to Pukhtoon culture of Afghanistan and Occupied Kashmir, stresses high importance of Mehman dari, meaning hospitality to guests.

We are obligated to make the guest comfortable when we sit with them. We bring out the best food, give them they best seats, etc.

Then after guest has been made comfortable, we talk with that guest to stress commonalities and to find mutual acquaintances. This was useful for our culture for centuries in potential marriage meetings, the main way Pakistanis get married,, even today..

What Indian and some BD people misunderstand is that they think this mehman dari implies some kind of commonality and that we are same, it does not.

Indian, West Indies, Americans, Japanese, Chinese and any other guests are treated the same way by Pakistanis. All come back believing that they are close to Pakistanis due to the extreme hospitality they have experienced.

Unfortunately in the West, our confused people went even a step further in losing their culture and trying to form commonality with Hindus and Sikhs. However whenever there is 27 Feb 2019 or Galwan loss, the old scars come back up very quickly.

Pakistani and Indian community in the US is no longer on friendly terms due to Kashmir and Indian Muslim issues, but mostly due to the rabid Islamophobia coming from Indians.

Many BD also have wrong and prejudiced opinions of Pakistanis, but I think it is only like half of you guys.

As a Pakistani who speaks Urdu and Punjabi fluently and decent amount of Pukhto and Hindko, I believe I am in a pretty good place to judge my countrymens' experiences better than you guys.



You feel this way due to mehman dari of Pakistanis. Pakistanis are a very Islamic oriented people and fiercely proud of our history and our identity. Naturally Muslims of BD will be seen favorably by us.

However it is not limited to only BD, but to other Muslims as well, esp Arabs, Turks, Iranians, and Afghans.

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable in the realm of languages, as in addition to the languages I speak, I am also learning Turkish and Farsi. I can understand fair amount of those languages due to the commonality with them and the Pakistani variant of Urdu (which is almost like a dialect of Dari at highest levels.)

I cannot make head or tales of the Bangla language, the origin is completely different. I read once that it is similar to Pali, which ancient Buddhist scriptures were written in.
Out of curiosity : Do Punjabis migrated from India practice clan exogamy? Those from Haryana or Himachal?

Broader question : When did Muslim Punjabis lost clan exogamy? @Joe Shearer

I am asking this because some Haryanvi Muslims still practice clan exogamy like Hindus but Muslims elsewhere rarely do so.
 
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Even if BD stays neutral, China and India will enter your territory to fight each other while you look on.

No time to be a coward, make quick decisions for your sovereignty.

War is coming.

Yes, exactly.

@Al-Ansar

Please come back from the US immediately and stand on your own soil, like other brave people, and take a stand. Oh, you are already in Bangladesh?
Hmm. Problem. How do we get those heroes advising you to come back? They might have to make sacrifices to do that, and that is never as refined as asking others to make those sacrifices.
 
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Out of curiosity : Do Punjabis migrated from India practice clan exogamy? Those from Haryana or Himachal?

Broader question : When did Muslim Punjabis lost clan exogamy? @Joe Shearer

I am asking this because some Haryanvi Muslims still practice clan exogamy like Hindus but Muslims elsewhere rarely do so.

You are going way off topic.

I think it is related to family by family. Some only marry similar zat, while others like us have no qualms marrying Pukhtoons, Arains, Baloch, Kashmiris, etc.
 
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