Qatar: Talks with Pakistan over Mirage 2000-5s

[ZedZeeshan]

Then ask your friend that why did pakistan used f16s in zarb e azb instead of Mirages if they are so good in ground role.

he was not referring to the Mirages that Pakistan has. He refereed it towards MK which UAE has. Actually he was part of the team who were negotiating for UAE Mirages..

 

[Skywalker]

Oh man not again, please stop fantasizing things, PAF would never buy them , they did not buy when they were actually in need, their love for f16 is endless, no wonder why trying to get the same junk from all over the world inspite of the fact that embargo is just on the horizon, but they are knowingly taking the nation into that trap.

I have had enough of man vs machine or man behind the machine bs.

 

[Allen Iverson]

Lol, No offense mate, but you should really educate yourself...India doesn't produce engines..Heck even China is struggling..!

Mate, you should read my post clearly.. I said, the day when India achieves that is the day, when I will be really happy.. Don't jump into conclusions..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Khafee @Tameem

Hi ; Some days ago ; I was saying that India's Mirage 2000 Upgraded planes are
better than F 16 Block 52

And BOTH of you disagreed with me

Now with this news that PAF is interested in Qatar Mirage 2000s
I have been proven right

 

[Moon]

What are we going to do with 19 year old Junk??

Pakistan seeking 16 F-16's from Jordan
Pakistan in talks with Qatar for 12 Mirage 2000-5 which is 19 year old

we are replacing 30 year old plane with 19 year old one why cause it'll give PAF 10 years more until ultimate J-31 or TFX arrives

While our Opponent is seeking to buy F-35 Rafales PAK-FA F-18 F-16's Super Sukhoi...

If this news is true, which I doubt, the 19 year old junk is better than the 40 year old we have.

 

[Moon]

@Quwa
Can something like an aggressor squadron be made? Will it be any useful in the 21st century?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Who knows, come next republic day, you might get to see one of your upgraded Mirage on a trailer.

No we only show New weapons on a trailer

After a few years we will put Rafales on a trailer

@Windjammer

Are you sure that if this deal goes through ; French will support it in the form of spares
and Weapons

Because they are too deeply involved with India now

 

[airmarshal]

@Khafee @Tameem

Hi ; Some days ago ; I was saying that India's Mirage 2000 Upgraded planes are
better than F 16 Block 52

And BOTH of you disagreed with me

Now with this news that PAF is interested in Qatar Mirage 2000s
I have been proven right

Keeping aside the two countries, F-16 and Mirage 2000 are very comparable but keeping in mind one plane is more suitable/less suitable than the other in a particular aspect of war.

 

[Paksanity]

Pakfa is combat ready it is already deployed to crimea.j31 Chinese's stealth tech is least one generation behind russian,f 35 is only reliable option for us

No offence but you seriously need more grasp on the matter at hand. PAKFA is very far from being anywhere close to becoming operational. It is still in testing and development phase and Russians have quite a few problems to solve. Their financial woes and western sanctions aren't helping either.

Well, SOM is a compact and next generation cruise missile that can be integrated with theJF-17 unlike the Ra'ad. This gives the JF-17 the mainstay of future PAF the ability to fire very potent Stand-off Missikes at IN ships and add an entirely new layer of lethality to PAF's punch. Why shouldn't the PAF go for it?

The Ra'ad is a bulky weapon and neither the JF-17 and F-16s can fire it for different reasons. Unless you think the Ra'ad should be dumped once the Mirages are retired in couple years, it's utility is limited as there's no credible platform to launch it from for now.

Ra'ad fulfils a specific purpose that SOM could not. It is a wonderful weapon no doubt (at least on spec sheet), but what good it is if we can't use it for the purpose we intend to. Keyword here is 'degree of control' Pakistan has to customise the weapon for its needs. JF-17 may or may not be able to use Ra'ad at the moment but it will have weapons for the same set of tasks which may be better than current versions of Ra'ad. For anti-ship role, C-802 and CM-400AKG are already procured.

For the record though, I favour more F-16s, new and MLUed to boost average quality of fleet. It is easier, cost efficient and packs a better punch. Unless the idea is to keep French on the line for something in the future (my regards to US Congress and Indian negotiations skills).

@Khafee @Tameem

Hi ; Some days ago ; I was saying that India's Mirage 2000 Upgraded planes are
better than F 16 Block 52

And BOTH of you disagreed with me

Now with this news that PAF is interested in Qatar Mirage 2000s
I have been proven right

No, you haven't been. It proves Mirage-2000-5 is superior to Mirage-3/5 which isn't even up for debate.

 

[waz]

It's a very potent plane, if the price is right why not? It will only add greatly to the PAF's operational capability.
I don't understand people complaining about "old junk" , when a country like Pakistan is still trying to grow economically, where are these billions going to come from for brand new, latest generation combat planes?
The PAF is living within its means.

 

[Paksanity]

It's a very potent plane, if the price is right why not? It will only add greatly to the PAF's operational capability.
I don't understand people complaining about "old junk" , when a country like Pakistan is still trying to grow economically, where are these billions going to come from for brand new, latest generation combat planes?
The PAF is living within its means.

True but why M2K instead of F-16s? Both are in same league of capabilities and price point (actually F-16 more versatile and open for upgrades). Why a new type when same can be achieved by used upgraded F-16s?

 

[somebozo]

.since India is getting pakfa all our birds will be a target practice for pakfa I mean lion vs deer competition Instead of wasting money on second hand old generation planes like jf17 aka Soviet rejected mig33 mirage 2000 invest on economy strong economy means more money more budget means expensive toys like pakfa j20

REVEAL YOURSELF YOU INDIAN

Actually he is right..

 

[waz]

True but why M2K instead of F-16s? Both are in same league of capabilities and price point (actually F-16 more versatile and open for upgrades). Why a new type when same can be achieved by used upgraded F-16s?

That's a very good point, I can only guess and say that used F-16's with reasonable frames are coming up short, so the PAF went with a plane they have experience of, well at least its older variants.
It's a nice purchase with mind it would probably lead to more Mirage 2000 acquisitions.

 

[Tipu7]

True but why M2K instead of F-16s? Both are in same league of capabilities and price point (actually F-16 more versatile and open for upgrades). Why a new type when same can be achieved by used upgraded F-16s?

Delta should be replaced by Delta.
We are second largest operator of French air crafts so surely its sensible to keep French flavor in our air force in future to come.
M2K is ideal for ground strike mission due to its low profile ..........

I don't understand people complaining about "old junk"

Because they are silly and limited in their approach. Such people learn about defense set up by watching videos like ''Top 10 fighter jets in World'' on youtube. Ask them any slight technical stuff and they will collapse.
It become more funny when these key board warriors call PAF officials and Ministry of Defense as ''dumb'' and ''short sighted''

 

[Tameem]

@Khafee @Tameem

Hi ; Some days ago ; I was saying that India's Mirage 2000 Upgraded planes are
better than F 16 Block 52

And BOTH of you disagreed with me

Now with this news that PAF is interested in Qatar Mirage 2000s
I have been proven right

Indian upgraded Mirage 2000 might be superior to F16-Block52 or Block 60 or 70 or even F-22 Raptor

But it simply didn't possess Latest M53-P3 Engine, nor ICMS4 suites definitely, accept that like a man wholeheartedly.