Qari Shakeel Killed

[Zarvan]

i really don't know how can I sugar these, but I stand by what I had said earlier....and it sickens me how these mullahs have corrupted the minds of innocent children, and have ensured that one they are dead they leave behind a legacy ---- nek mohammed, baitullah mehsud , you name and they all came out of a madrassa, and even though they are dead today, please tell me where there families stand?

Neikh Muhammad was a local tribal which was back stabbed and even your own Lt General Orakzai and there was no TTP until one idiot known as Musharraf decided to be more loyal to USA than even themselves his stupidity led to formation of TTP so Sir facts are really harsh

 

[Gufi]

i really don't know how can I sugar these, but I stand by what I had said earlier....and it sickens me how these mullahs have corrupted the minds of innocent children, and have ensured that one they are dead they leave behind a legacy ---- nek mohammed, baitullah mehsud , you name and they all came out of a madrassa, and even though they are dead today, please tell me where there families stand?

If I am a molvi who thinks the same about you and your family how would it seem to you.. kill everyone in your line of profession( I am not nor am I saying that it should be done but trying to make you understand how biased it is)
How many millions of children have come out of the madrassah system more then the public school systems if that is what you reason there would be anarchy ages ago.

 

[SipahSalar]

I was away for a while and seems conversation went super-sonic. Read everything and will reply to a lot of people.

What Pakistan needs is regulation on what Mullahs can preach. I remember in 90's Mullahs used to preach a lot of sectarian hatred by loudspeakers. Govt. banned such use. Although the implementation and effectiveness is questionable. But a stand is needed. Regulation is the answer to our terrorism problem. If a mullah asks people to murder, make him answer the law, do not let him go because he wrote a letter of apology.

Never watched fox news.. did rescue some kids from a Madressa in Peshawar.. put them into TCF schools.. the boys are now actually learning something instead of:
-how they will be burnt on the day of judgement
-Why Houris will have transparent skin and how they will give sex
-Why letting the Qari who teaches you beat you, squeeze your testicles or kick you is ok punishment.
-Why french kisses with the same is also ok.

Good for you!
What's wrong with believing in judgement day? People in your country of asylum believe in it too. Remember, improvement starts at home. Why don't you start by giving them the same mullah treatment? Or will they show you the door and give you the boot?

Have you been to Madressahs? Heard the stories of kids in there? Seen their curriculum?

We don't have angels teaching at madressahs. I'll do you one better. Have you been to our SCHOOLS and seen their curriculum? Have you heard what happens to children in boarding schools? Don't blame the problem of the human mind on an ideology.

All Mullah deserve to be sent to hell, but not the religious scholars such as Dr. Israr Ahmed, Javeid Ghamidi, Justice Rafi Usmani, Taqi Usmani etc.

Please check the definition of MULLAH in encyclopedia. Whether the title of mullah should be given just to everyone is the better debate.

To be honest, if it was up to me i would have all mullahs of this country lined up along with their families, and shoot them all up, drop the damn bomb on their hideouts, if families are there let them be a martyr there..... Let Allah be the judge of my act, if i was wrrong i will burn in hell, and they will be martyr, and is this not what they preach? Then why oppose it......
You will have to bomb the shit of every madrassah in the country, exterminate each and every mullah, only then you will se a prosper Pakistan......

Let Allah be the judge? But Allah, the exalted, has already let known His judgement on people who murder innocents and spread violence needlessly. It's in the quran.

Why should I? You were happy suggesting that people with a similar mindset or idea should all be dealt with as terrorists.. so why cant I do the same?

How did you come to the conclusion that all mullahs and madressahs have the same mindset?

Not really, the fanatics will rightly point out that the decadence set into Madressahs gradually via the Deobandi influx and later within the Afghan war and Saudi input. The same way the fanatics have pointed out that the term Mullah was once a very respectable term.. just as the term Jamadar or Mehtar was.. the latter were purposly ridiculed by the British to enslave us while the former we are responsible for ourselves.. that is because the Fanatics have knowledge and aren't apologetic for the killers of some 40000 Pakistanis.

You are grouping them all together. There are a lot of schools of thought opposed to the Deobandi thinking. Try to send a Deobandi to Eid Milad un Nabi and ask him to give fatwa against it. Let me know if he makes it out safe and sound.

 

[Hiptullha]

But what does it indicate to us regarding the snakes?

The snakes can't be defeated until we defeat their keepers.

All of these people learnt extremism from the people who run Madressahs.. almost all of these were either in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.. Khalid Shiekh Mohammad for e.g was a Madressah grad before he did anything in his life.

Maybe because the state specifically made sure that madrassas churn out extremists.

As I've already mentioned.. saving the Children is a simple consequence of the eradication of these Madressahs.. however, only those that are gauged worthy to be saved. The Saudi system of trying to "unpreach" everyone wont work.

Madrassas are a symptom of the issue. If there weren't madrassas, we'd just less religious-oriented and have more ethnic violence.

 

[Amaa'n]

Neikh Muhammad was a local tribal which was back stabbed and even your own Lt General Orakzai and there was no TTP until one idiot known as Musharraf decided to be more loyal to USA than even themselves his stupidity led to formation of TTP so Sir facts are really harsh

forget about musharaf because that is a different story, the focus should be on what is happening inside the madarish and what they are doing to the country and to the society.....
let me further elaborate, i want to bomb down all mullahs, and rebuild the system again, regulate what is being taught and what is to be taught.....who will be the teacher and who will be student.
There has to be a system in place.

 

[Zarvan]

forget about musharaf because that is a different story, the focus should be on what is happening inside the madarish and what they are doing to the country and to the society.....
let me further elaborate, i want to bomb down all mullahs, and rebuild the system again, regulate what is being taught and what is to be taught.....who will be the teacher and who will be student.
There has to be a system in place.

You want reform sit with a Mullah from a Madrassah he would quote you ayats and Hadees and he would be dam good and you would hardly know how to even recite one ayat you would be able to reform them when you are a bigger Mufti yourself than one teaching children in a Madrassah until than have nice dreams but not going to happen

 

[Pak_Sher]

Great news. The sustained effort against terrorists should continue until all groups are neutralized.

 

[SQ8]

I never said kill all the Molvis or all the MQM people or anything that extreme. Anyone who takes arms against the state will be answered with force that is what I said. Answer what I am saying and do not bring posts into each other. You asked me for a clarification to that post which I did give you. Now you are somehow saying that I said there are no madrassahs against the state.. I said there is no justification to say kill all the molvis or all the Karachiates or all those who are in MQM. ONLY those who fight the state should be fought against and no killing of whole group of people, that is the definition of extremism and profiling which you are doing in every post.

So by your definition only those that kill others are worthy of being killed. Those that hold bigoted views(take me for instance), are intolerant of others.. those who persecute others in the name of religion( burning homes, forcible marriages and conversions) and teach the same to others should be left alone?
Hence, no Mullah(Moulvi was a different grade given) who has not yet killed(even if he spreads hatred and persecutes others) should be touched and only token action be taken against them? Such as shutting off their loudspeakers?

Which brings me back to the Gambling den example, unless they end up turning into hardened killers.. serial gamblers and the owners of those joints should be left alone?

 

[SipahSalar]

You want reform sit with a Mullah from a Madrassah he would quote you ayats and Hadees and he would be dam good and you would hardly know how to even recite one ayat you would be able to reform them when you are a bigger Mufti yourself than one teaching children in a Madrassah until than have nice dreams but not going to happen

HUGE misconception. Many mullahs are jahil who know nothing about islam. Anyone with even some learning of islamic tenets can debate them and beat them. And the debate will most likely end with you being labelled a jewish agent.

 

[SQ8]

i really don't know how can I sugar these, but I stand by what I had said earlier....and it sickens me how these mullahs have corrupted the minds of innocent children, and have ensured that one they are dead they leave behind a legacy ---- nek mohammed, baitullah mehsud , you name and they all came out of a madrassa, and even though they are dead today, please tell me where there families stand?

You can see plainly by the responses I've weaned out.. that the problem lies less with the Madressahs and their breeding themselves.. they are just like patches where bacteria and dead blood cells collect for more breeding. and more with the society itself. The society is in denial of its own disease, much like a terminal cancer patient whose lymph nodes are bleeding but refuses to call it anything else other than body sores.

 

[black-hawk_101]

According to latest reports from Afghanistan famous TTP leader Qari Shakeel was killed in an operation conducted by Afghan Army. Qari Shakeel is considered one of the main man behind suicide bombings
@Horus @Oscar @RescueRanger

I have recently heard that ANA is doing great. I think they should be supplied with better equipment.

 

[Zarvan]

HUGE misconception. Many mullahs are jahil who know nothing about islam. Anyone with even some learning of islamic tenets can debate them and beat them. And the debate will most likely end with you being labelled a jewish agent.

Yes your ignorance tells me a lot many Mullahs are quite well trained basic tenants go ahead they will blast you within 5 minutes and you will be like you never head of that Hadess or Ayat or incident

 

[Amaa'n]

If I am a molvi who thinks the same about you and your family how would it seem to you.. kill everyone in your line of profession( I am not nor am I saying that it should be done but trying to make you understand how biased it is)
How many millions of children have come out of the madrassah system more then the public school systems if that is what you reason there would be anarchy ages ago.

I have such views because every madrasah I have been to I have witnessed the same thing......A 13yrs old kid refused to sit in my house and recite verses of Quran just because there was a picture of My Mother standing in front of Khannye -e Kabah framed and hanged on the wall.....
He raised his voice with my elder brother and justified that how it was forbidden ---- He was simply shown the door, Imam sab simply told to ensure the kid is never to be seen at the door of this house ----- When you go and close down the madrassah he came from, the next thing you will get is armed retaliation ---- so better to kill them in one go----bomb the whole thing down

 

[SQ8]

The snakes can't be defeated until we defeat their keepers.



Maybe because the state specifically made sure that madrassas churn out extremists.


Madrassas are a symptom of the issue. If there weren't madrassas, we'd just less religious-oriented and have more ethnic violence.

Yes

No,
Madressas are no longer just a symptom, they are the lymph nodes to the cancer cells now. What is this fear of being less "religious orientated"? How many of the "religious orientated" are supposedly ideal Muslims? What is "religious orientated" anyway? @Secur You're the definition man..

 

[Gufi]

So by your definition only those that kill others are worthy of being killed. Those that hold bigoted views(take me for instance), are intolerant of others.. those who persecute others in the name of religion( burning homes, forcible marriages and conversions) and teach the same to others should be left alone?

They should be tried and punished according to the law
The problem with your view is kill all the people who belong to molvi class. Everyone here goes to prayer on friday and most molvis are very decent people, which you miss out, most children coming out of madrassahs are integrated into society well, which you ignore. Many MQM followers are not there because they are bad people but they run the good things that MQM has done for Karachi. Your view is extremist in nature to the level of hate speech and profiling and calling for genocide

Hence, no Mullah(Moulvi was a different grade given) who has not yet killed(even if he spreads hatred and persecutes others) should be touched and only token action be taken against them? Such as shutting off their loudspeakers?

Read a thread by me with the title a path to peace... there it is clear how I think and it is not the way of killing people for fixing problems like you have found so easy to say
A Path to peace
read this and then talk to me about what I think... Your path is extreme and you take part in hate speech... Killing is your solution to everything which is easy to say until someone decides that your group of people are the evil ones...