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No they are not and they are not going to kill any one because India and USA and some seculars don't like them they just need to take out sectarian and ethnic terrorists and they are doing it
Ridiculous. Not all Mullahs are bad. In fact most mullahs are not bad. You want families of mullahs to be killed? Their children and wives? Savagery.
There have been great scholars in Pakistan like Dr. Israr. Would you have him killed while he was alive and his family killed?
And Pakistan should be invaded?
Fanaticism should not be fought with Fanaticism.
To be honest, if it was up to me i would have all mullahs of this country lined up along with their families, and shoot them all up, drop the damn bomb on their hideouts, if families are there let them be a martyr there..... Let Allah be the judge of my act, if i was wrrong i will burn in hell, and they will be martyr, and is this not what they preach? Then why oppose it......
You will have to bomb the shit of every madrassah in the country, exterminate each and every mullah, only then you will se a prosper Pakistan......
 
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It is a crime if they cant even decide what it is. Are you ok with it being enforced on you if you believe it is the incorrect interpretation?

I do not agree with Shariah but I find it ridiculous to criticize clerics for demanding implementation. What, they can't make demands?
Hey, and we formed our country with very little idea of the principles it will be governed by.
 
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So what you are suggesting is that we should only blame the people who put the snakes and their nests into our society and not worry about snakes biting and killing us?
what snakes and their nests? do you understand this country at all and how the madrassahs have helped this country also. Learn to not be blinded by hate and look at the positives and the negatives.
. For example, whereas 60 percent of Madrasah students supported all out war to take the disputed Kashmir region, 40 percent of students from Pakistan’s Urdu-medium public schools, and 26 percent of students in private schools, held the same view. Similarly, when students were asked whether they supported taking Kashmir through the use of jihadist proxies: 53 percent of Madrasah students shared this view, compared to 33 percent of those in public schools and 22 percent in private schools. While the Madrasah students show consistently higher support for war and use of Jihadist proxies, public school students, who comprise some 70 percent of the educational market, displayed levels of support for the same policies. Given this data, it is fair to say that Madrassas show support for Jihad in Kashmir, as do those in public and private schools- so if Madrassas are to be witch hunted for this by the media, surely the same must be done for public and private schools? But on the point of whether Madrassas support, encourage, prepare or perpetuate indiscriminate terrorist attacks, such as the thousands Pakistan has seen post 2001, there is no data or study to prove this, raising the question as to why then the media is pushing this narrative without proof.
With regards to sectarian violence -‘Radds’ (Refutations) and ‘Munazarrats’ (Debates) have been part of religious education throughout the centuries, with Muslim scholars taking on the Greek philosophers and those influenced by their thoughts, leading to the development of Ilm ul Kalam (Scholastic Theology). Even if we were to look to the subcontinent’s history, we will realize the high level of ‘Radds’ and ‘Munazarrats’ between the Deoband and Braweli school of thoughts, such as the very bitter 1928 ‘Munazarrats’ between the two and Ahmad Raza Khan, was well known for his constant refutations of the Deodand, Ahle-Hadith and Shia. Yes, there is no doubt these refutations raised sectarian tensions between Brawelis and others, leading to blows but never did it lead to indiscriminate bombings and killings between them as Pakistan has experienced. This point is mentioned by Professor Rahman in his paper ‘Madrassas: The potential for violence in Pakistan’ and he adds that although it may be true to say that the Madrassas have contributed to creating an atmosphere of sectarianism, to conclude from this that this leads to violence would be a step too far. He mentions that other factors would need to be taken into consideration, such as foreign policy issues; for example the support of Hezbollah to the Bashar Assad regime has contributed to the flaring of tensions between the Sunni and Shia groupings in Pakistan and the petro dollars of the Saudis have contributed to increased rifts between Sunnis and Shias in Pakistan. Dr Fair in her paper, ‘The Enduring Madrasah Myth,’ reinforces the point that sectarianism does not inevitably lead to violence but this depends on externalities that can act as catalysts to violence between religious groups depending on external strategic interests and objectives.
Are Madrassas to blame?
learn to look beyond the rhetoric and look at problems maturely

To be honest, if it was up to me i would have all mullahs of this country lined up along with their families, and shoot them all up, drop the damn bomb on their hideouts, if families are there let them be a martyr there..... Let Allah be the judge of my act, if i was wrrong i will burn in hell, and they will be martyr, and is this not what they preach? Then why oppose it......
you act just as extreme as those people... What would the punishment for those comments be then? if you decide who dies and even if guilty whose Innocent children die you should be ready to judged the same... Go read what you wrote and edit it to look mature...
 
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A key militant commander of the banned Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, a splinter group of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), has been killed in an operation in Afghanistan, a spokesman for the militant group said on Friday.

According to a report by the BBC, a Jamaat-ul-Ahrar spokesman said Qari Shakeel and militant commander Dr Tariq Ali were killed Thursday in an operation in Afghanistan's Nangarhar province, which borders Pakistan.

A spokesman for the TTP also confirmed the death of Qari Shakeel and three others. However, he did not specify where Shakeel was killed.

Officials have yet to confirm or deny the report.

Qari Shakeel, a top militant commander who was known to head the political shura (council) of the TTP, represented the Taliban in the failed peace talks with the Pakistani government last year.

Splinter groups form alliance with TTP

News of Shakeel’s death comes as the Jamaat-ul-Ahrar splinter group and militant group Lashkar-e-Islam on Thursday said they had pledged support to and were forming an alliance with the main Mullah Fazlullah-led TTP militant group.

Lashkar-e-Islam is led by warlord Mangal Bagh and is feared for kidnappings and extortion in Khyber tribal agency.

Last year, the Jamaat-ul-Ahrar had split from the TTP, which carried out the deadly attack on Peshawar’s Army Public School in December, killing over 130 schoolchildren.

The Pakistani military has been engaged in a full-scale offensive against Taliban and other militants in North Waziristan and Khyber tribal districts along the Afghan border since last year.

The school massacre – Pakistan’s deadliest ever terror attack – prompted the government to announce a tough crackdown on terrorist groups, lift a moratorium on executions and amend the constitution to set up military courts for the speedy trial of terrorism cases.
Qari Shakeel, key Pakistani Taliban commander, killed in Afghanistan: report | PAKISTAN - geo.tv
@Oscar @Zarvan
 
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So what you are suggesting is that we should only blame the people who put the snakes and their nests into our society and not worry about snakes biting and killing us?
The people to blame don't just put the snakes and their nests in our society. They put barbed wire around the nests and steal the medicine, making sure we will never touch the nests.
 
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@Oscar enough hate present solutions which are not extremist in nature. Visiting a few madrassahs in a backward area does not make you an expert

Why should I? You were happy suggesting that people with a similar mindset or idea should all be dealt with as terrorists.. so why cant I do the same?
Ranger raids MQM.. Nine Zero | Page 37

The people to blame don't just put the snakes and their nests in our society. They put barbed wire around the nests and steal the medicine, making sure we will never touch the nests.

But what does it indicate to us regarding the snakes?
 
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To be honest, if it was up to me i would have all mullahs of this country lined up along with their families, and shoot them all up, drop the damn bomb on their hideouts, if families are there let them be a martyr there..... Let Allah be the judge of my act, if i was wrrong i will burn in hell, and they will be martyr, and is this not what they preach? Then why oppose it......
You will have to bomb the shit of every madrassah in the country, exterminate each and every mullah, only then you will se a prosper Pakistan......
Your thoughts will make sure only civil war nothing else and no Pakistan will not prosper with that
 
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Why should I? You were happy suggesting that people with a similar mindset or idea should all be dealt with as terrorists.. so why cant I do the same?
did you even read what you quoted
near MQM main office and a few strong holds near Kala board maybe the rest of the people are quite happy that target killers and terrorists are being apprehended. Time to face justice for the people killed and the police targeted.

and yes automatic weapons are a requirement for charity work lots of automatic weapons and target killers also. wonderful
that was my comment
now let me make it simpler
He was talking about a flair up in Karachi and I said no near the main office of MQM and few strong holds there will be a flair up... And the rest of the people (that is in Karachi) would be happy. I said the target killers should face justice for the people killed
EXPLAIN TO ME how that is the same as what you said in any way? And as for illegal weapons being found that has been said clearly by our armed forces, excuse me for trusting them more then MQM or any other party

You do not pick up arms against the state nor do you act like target killers and run the city like a mobster. If you think you can win the war think why the raid was on this time in this month in this week.
this was my other post clearly against fighting the state I said no mobster rule and no taking arms against the state. Never did i call for the blanket extermination of karachiates because of a certain group of people. That is your way of dealing with problems
@Oscar
 
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what snakes and their nests? do you understand this country at all and how the madrassahs have helped this country also. Learn to not be blinded by hate and look at the positives and the negatives.
. For example, whereas 60 percent of Madrasah students supported all out war to take the disputed Kashmir region, 40 percent of students from Pakistan’s Urdu-medium public schools, and 26 percent of students in private schools, held the same view. Similarly, when students were asked whether they supported taking Kashmir through the use of jihadist proxies: 53 percent of Madrasah students shared this view, compared to 33 percent of those in public schools and 22 percent in private schools. While the Madrasah students show consistently higher support for war and use of Jihadist proxies, public school students, who comprise some 70 percent of the educational market, displayed levels of support for the same policies. Given this data, it is fair to say that Madrassas show support for Jihad in Kashmir, as do those in public and private schools- so if Madrassas are to be witch hunted for this by the media, surely the same must be done for public and private schools? But on the point of whether Madrassas support, encourage, prepare or perpetuate indiscriminate terrorist attacks, such as the thousands Pakistan has seen post 2001, there is no data or study to prove this, raising the question as to why then the media is pushing this narrative without proof.
With regards to sectarian violence -‘Radds’ (Refutations) and ‘Munazarrats’ (Debates) have been part of religious education throughout the centuries, with Muslim scholars taking on the Greek philosophers and those influenced by their thoughts, leading to the development of Ilm ul Kalam (Scholastic Theology). Even if we were to look to the subcontinent’s history, we will realize the high level of ‘Radds’ and ‘Munazarrats’ between the Deoband and Braweli school of thoughts, such as the very bitter 1928 ‘Munazarrats’ between the two and Ahmad Raza Khan, was well known for his constant refutations of the Deodand, Ahle-Hadith and Shia. Yes, there is no doubt these refutations raised sectarian tensions between Brawelis and others, leading to blows but never did it lead to indiscriminate bombings and killings between them as Pakistan has experienced. This point is mentioned by Professor Rahman in his paper ‘Madrassas: The potential for violence in Pakistan’ and he adds that although it may be true to say that the Madrassas have contributed to creating an atmosphere of sectarianism, to conclude from this that this leads to violence would be a step too far. He mentions that other factors would need to be taken into consideration, such as foreign policy issues; for example the support of Hezbollah to the Bashar Assad regime has contributed to the flaring of tensions between the Sunni and Shia groupings in Pakistan and the petro dollars of the Saudis have contributed to increased rifts between Sunnis and Shias in Pakistan. Dr Fair in her paper, ‘The Enduring Madrasah Myth,’ reinforces the point that sectarianism does not inevitably lead to violence but this depends on externalities that can act as catalysts to violence between religious groups depending on external strategic interests and objectives.
Are Madrassas to blame?
learn to look beyond the rhetoric and look at problems maturely


you act just as extreme as those people... What would the punishment for those comments be then? if you decide who dies and even if guilty whose Innocent children die you should be ready to judged the same... Go read what you wrote and edit it to look mature...

You do realize that your own rebuttal is the undoing of your support for Madressahs?
Regardless of external inputs and factors, the piece itself indicates that more often than not the Madressah system is a major contributor to extremism. Yet you seem to be apologizing for it in the same way as someone suggesting that a gambling den may be a source of corruption and crime in the area but it is not always the reason why criminal gangs form..hence gambling dens should not be blamed or eradicated to be replaced with better avenues.

As I've already mentioned.. saving the Children is a simple consequence of the eradication of these Madressahs.. however, only those that are gauged worthy to be saved. The Saudi system of trying to "unpreach" everyone wont work.
 
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Regardless of external inputs and factors, the piece itself indicates that more often than not the Madressah system is a major contributor to extremism. Yet you seem to be apologizing for it in the same way as someone suggesting that a gambling den may be a source of corruption and crime in the area but it is not always the reason why criminal gangs form..hence gambling dens should not be blamed or eradicated to be replaced with better avenues.
First of all your post on quoting my other post has been answered. Read the context next time
As for the piece it was very clear in telling the problem is across the board with the education system. If one is more then the other because of the level of education with the most being in the least funded least educated sector. That was my argument which you should have understood I wonder how you can twist things like that
 
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You do realize that your own rebuttal is the undoing of your support for Madressahs?
Regardless of external inputs and factors, the piece itself indicates that more often than not the Madressah system is a major contributor to extremism. Yet you seem to be apologizing for it in the same way as someone suggesting that a gambling den may be a source of corruption and crime in the area but it is not always the reason why criminal gangs form..hence gambling dens should not be blamed or eradicated to be replaced with better avenues.

As I've already mentioned.. saving the Children is a simple consequence of the eradication of these Madressahs.. however, only those that are gauged worthy to be saved. The Saudi system of trying to "unpreach" everyone wont work.
They are hardly any those who did 9/11 were Madrassah Student which Madrassah did Osama went to and Aymal Al Zawahiri is a doctor and Libi was Masters in Chemistry and I can go on and on
 
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Learn to not be blinded by hate and look at the positives and the negatives.
Lets not forget Quaid studied in a madressah for 5 years!
Now the fanatics will say "oh but the people back then were so holy, pious and good"
 
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They are hardly any those who did 9/11 were Madrassah Student which Madrassah did Osama went to and Aymal Al Zawahiri is a doctor and Libi was Masters in Chemistry and I can go on and on

All of these people learnt extremism from the people who run Madressahs.. almost all of these were either in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.. Khalid Shiekh Mohammad for e.g was a Madressah grad before he did anything in his life.

Lets not forget Quaid studied in a madressah for 5 years!
Now the fanatics will say "oh but the people back then were so holy, pious and good"

Not really, the fanatics will rightly point out that the decadence set into Madressahs gradually via the Deobandi influx and later within the Afghan war and Saudi input. The same way the fanatics have pointed out that the term Mullah was once a very respectable term.. just as the term Jamadar or Mehtar was.. the latter were purposly ridiculed by the British to enslave us while the former we are responsible for ourselves.. that is because the Fanatics have knowledge and aren't apologetic for the killers of some 40000 Pakistanis.

did you even read what you quoted
near MQM main office and a few strong holds near Kala board maybe the rest of the people are quite happy that target killers and terrorists are being apprehended. Time to face justice for the people killed and the police targeted.

and yes automatic weapons are a requirement for charity work lots of automatic weapons and target killers also. wonderful
that was my comment
now let me make it simpler
He was talking about a flair up in Karachi and I said no near the main office of MQM and few strong holds there will be a flair up... And the rest of the people (that is in Karachi) would be happy. I said the target killers should face justice for the people killed
EXPLAIN TO ME how that is the same as what you said in any way? And as for illegal weapons being found that has been said clearly by our armed forces, excuse me for trusting them more then MQM or any other party

You do not pick up arms against the state nor do you act like target killers and run the city like a mobster. If you think you can win the war think why the raid was on this time in this month in this week.
this was my other post clearly against fighting the state I said no mobster rule and no taking arms against the state. Never did i call for the blanket extermination of karachiates because of a certain group of people. That is your way of dealing with problems
@Oscar

So hold a second, there is no arms against the state from any Madressah graduate then? Or are they no anti-state ideas bred because of Madressahs.. And I never suggested that we kill all Karachites, just MQM and its supporters.. or are you saying that anyone who is from Karachi is a MQM supporter?
 
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you act just as extreme as those people... What would the punishment for those comments be then? if you decide who dies and even if guilty whose Innocent children die you should be ready to judged the same... Go read what you wrote and edit it to look mature...

Your thoughts will make sure only civil war nothing else and no Pakistan will not prosper with that
i really don't know how can I sugar these, but I stand by what I had said earlier....and it sickens me how these mullahs have corrupted the minds of innocent children, and have ensured that one they are dead they leave behind a legacy ---- nek mohammed, baitullah mehsud , you name and they all came out of a madrassa, and even though they are dead today, please tell me where there families stand?
 
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So hold a second, there is no arms against the state from any Madressah graduate then? Or are they no anti-state ideas bred because of Madressahs.. And I never suggested that we kill all Karachites, just MQM and its supporters.. or are you saying that anyone who is from Karachi is a MQM supporter?
I never said kill all the Molvis or all the MQM people or anything that extreme. Anyone who takes arms against the state will be answered with force that is what I said. Answer what I am saying and do not bring posts into each other. You asked me for a clarification to that post which I did give you. Now you are somehow saying that I said there are no madrassahs against the state.. I said there is no justification to say kill all the molvis or all the Karachiates or all those who are in MQM. ONLY those who fight the state should be fought against and no killing of whole group of people, that is the definition of extremism and profiling which you are doing in every post.
 
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