Ahsan Butt
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Some peoples supports US and Pak army to join .. As they firmly believe Pakistan and US army are brothers in arm i completely disagree with them, are they blind ? they cant see what US done with Pakistan . Go and please read History
I completely disagree with your opinion as US and Pakistan soldiers are brothers in arms. i shocked how can you say this ? raymon davis , memo gate are the worst example of it.,
Hi All,
@extinct brought up a good topic in another thread. This is about the occurrence of PTSD (Post traumatic Stress Syndrome) in Pakistani army at a lower level compared to say US army soldiers. This is in no way an effort to put down all those millions of fine soldiers of US military, but a humble effort to perform some rational analysis.
Because in the end of the day, I firmly believe that US and Pakistan army soldiers are brothers in arms. Their destinies tied in everywhich way.
Extinct bhai,
I too have relatives in army in the past and in present.
PTSD is not absent in PA, it is of lower intensity than one would expect. So why it is lower in intensity compared to the expected situation? There are many many reasons both professional and social.
1. Average age of fresh recruit in PA is higher compared to Western armies. This allows a bit more mature men to participate in the war and then be able to deal with after effects.
2. Martial traditions - Pakistani army is recruited from a distinct group of regions / tribes. While Western armies have much bigger and wider recruitment base.
3. Retirement age is much much higher in PA compared to Western armies. For example in US army, you do certain numbers of tours of duty, and you are let go into civilian life. In PA (or Indian army), The concept is very very limited and few army men leave army after 3-4 years of service.
4. Family structure. this is linked to #2 above. As most of the soliders come from martial tribes, certain outcomes like death and injury is accepted as "natural outcome", and everyone around the injured /handicapped soldier is willing to lend a helping hand.
5. Lack of alcoholism. While Alcohol in small quantities is great for ones health, the same think can't be said about someone becoming alcohol say finishing 1 or 2 bottles of liquor a day. I suspect a lot of PTSD issues become much worse when you add drug/alcohol abuse.
6. Wars are typically close to home. Pakistani army soldiers can usually come home on a short notice. The last big wars for soldiers from our region, that were long way from home happened to be WWI and WWII. Back then, even US army soldiers suffered much less PTSD. These days US soldiers serve through out the world and thus in many cases loose direct and immediate contact to the families back home. Suppose if we deploy 100,000 troops in Iraq to face off IS, then perhaps PTSD incidents could go up.
Please make sure you look at all of these as a holistic picture and not as individual factors. Some people may try to drag "Islam" into this, but Islam is not a valid reason for lack of PTSD severity. Sikh and Hindu from martial tribes in our region do as well if not better than Muslims soldiers from martial tribes.
So there you have it.
Please feel free to add more if you like.
Thank you.
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@ALiHi All,
@extinct brought up a good topic in another thread. This is about the occurrence of PTSD (Post traumatic Stress Syndrome) in Pakistani army at a lower level compared to say US army soldiers. This is in no way an effort to put down all those millions of fine soldiers of US military, but a humble effort to perform some rational analysis.
Because in the end of the day, I firmly believe that US and Pakistan army soldiers are brothers in arms. Their destinies tied in everywhich way.
Extinct bhai,
I too have relatives in army in the past and in present.
PTSD is not absent in PA, it is of lower intensity than one would expect. So why it is lower in intensity compared to the expected situation? There are many many reasons both professional and social.
1. Average age of fresh recruit in PA is higher compared to Western armies. This allows a bit more mature men to participate in the war and then be able to deal with after effects.
2. Martial traditions - Pakistani army is recruited from a distinct group of regions / tribes. While Western armies have much bigger and wider recruitment base.
3. Retirement age is much much higher in PA compared to Western armies. For example in US army, you do certain numbers of tours of duty, and you are let go into civilian life. In PA (or Indian army), The concept is very very limited and few army men leave army after 3-4 years of service.
4. Family structure. this is linked to #2 above. As most of the soliders come from martial tribes, certain outcomes like death and injury is accepted as "natural outcome", and everyone around the injured /handicapped soldier is willing to lend a helping hand.
5. Lack of alcoholism. While Alcohol in small quantities is great for ones health, the same think can't be said about someone becoming alcohol say finishing 1 or 2 bottles of liquor a day. I suspect a lot of PTSD issues become much worse when you add drug/alcohol abuse.
6. Wars are typically close to home. Pakistani army soldiers can usually come home on a short notice. The last big wars for soldiers from our region, that were long way from home happened to be WWI and WWII. Back then, even US army soldiers suffered much less PTSD. These days US soldiers serve through out the world and thus in many cases loose direct and immediate contact to the families back home. Suppose if we deploy 100,000 troops in Iraq to face off IS, then perhaps PTSD incidents could go up.
Please make sure you look at all of these as a holistic picture and not as individual factors. Some people may try to drag "Islam" into this, but Islam is not a valid reason for lack of PTSD severity. Sikh and Hindu from martial tribes in our region do as well if not better than Muslims soldiers from martial tribes.
So there you have it.
Please feel free to add more if you like.
Thank you.
@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER, @AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider, @CENTCOM,@Joe Shearer, @scorpionx, @Irfan Baloch, @orangzaib, @jhungary,@Xeric @Icarus
I completely disagree with your opinion as US and Pakistan soldiers are brothers in arms. i shocked how can you say this ? raymon davis , memo gate are the worst example of it.,