Poll on Nationalism vs Religion for Pakistani members

[rott]

looks like 3 way split @rott ...interesting poll you created here. I was surprised to see so many put religion before country.

I am more surprised as many Pakistanis put country before religion. But in a good way. I wanted to understand them more.

 

[newb3e]

Pakistan was created in the name of Islam so naturally its religion before country! and the whole exsistance of Pakistan is based on Islam without Islam Pakistan is another piece of land with no identity!
so Islam before Pakistan!

and nationalism has no place in Islam!

 

[padamchen]

I am more surprised as many Pakistanis put country before religion. But in a good way. I wanted to understand them more.

Ditto.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Soumitra]

what is even Indian Nationalism?

Love for the nation of India is Indian Nationalism.

 

[rott]

Voila

Look bro, I have no bad agenda. All I wanted to understand Pakistanis more. If people have got the wrong notion about me then I deeply apologize.
I hope you'll understand my stand too.

I didn't sugar coat my exchange with you buddy, its a simple honest exchange. No hard feelings. If you visit enjoy your stay but be cautious of our sensitivities.

Yoga is not my thing

Thanks for understanding.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I am more surprised as many Pakistanis put country before religion. But in a good way. I wanted to understand them more.

You have to understand the demographics of PDF are different than Pakistan, as a country.

You will find more nationalistic types here by proportion, just like how you will find them in social media.

Secular liberal Pakistanis or Secular nationalist Pakistanis are over represented here.

Our country is still devoutly religious, for the most part. We have a lot of activism and energy for Islam (and social justice.) This is how a religious nationalist justice party (PTI) came into power.

 

[rott]

You have to understand the demographics of PDF are different than Pakistan, as a country.

You will find more nationalistic types here by proportion, just like how you will find them in social media.

Secular liberal Pakistanis or Secular nationalist Pakistanis are over represented here.

Our country is still devoutly religious, for the most part. We have a lot of activism and energy for Islam (and social justice.) This is how a religious nationalist justice party (PTI) came into power.

Yes, I concur with your post.
I suppose there are more educated Pakistani national here and probably quite a lot of them from overseas. If I am correct, our own webmaster isn't even in Pakistani as we speak.
Probably @waz as well.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

more educated Pakistani national here

I would not necessarily call liberal or seculars more educated. Actually this is very offensive.

They have a different idea of Pakistan than most Pakistanis, but are still our own people.

In Pakistan, religious or secular is not necessarily related to education, but cultural outlook and adoption of Western culture.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Love for the nation of India is Indian Nationalism.

its more like hate for Indias neighboring countries

 

[Soumitra]

its more like hate for Indias neighboring countries

India has 7 neighbouring countries Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Srilanka

I just named Pakistan no other countries. So how did you conclude hatred for neighbors

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

India has 7 neighbouring countries Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Srilanka

I just named Pakistan no other countries. So how did you conclude hatred for neighbors

What’s your border with Afghanistan?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Okay brother maybe I wasn’t seeing much Islamic unity.

There is not such thing as Muslim Ummah chummah. Everybody prefers it's country interest first.

 

[jamahir]

Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam. Pakistan and Islam are mutual to most of us. We are not dogs of the west like some other Muslim countries or secularist countries with majority Muslim population. We take pride in our religion and our country. That is our identity.

So Iraq, Libya, Syria and 80's Afghanistan were dogs of the West??

Or did I read your post wrongly??

It is so because Muslim all over the world are becoming more conservative each day

That I agree.

There are more burqas and mosque attendances now than in the past.

 

[Soumitra]

What’s your border with Afghanistan?

We share a 100 KM odd border with Afghanistan in a territory currently occupied by Pakistan

 

[prashantazazel]

You have to understand the demographics of PDF are different than Pakistan, as a country.

You will find more nationalistic types here by proportion, just like how you will find them in social media.

Secular liberal Pakistanis or Secular nationalist Pakistanis are over represented here.

Our country is still devoutly religious, for the most part. We have a lot of activism and energy for Islam (and social justice.) This is how a religious nationalist justice party (PTI) came into power.

Or you could make the more direct conclusion. Education is inversely related to religiosity.