Point Of View with ArzooKazmi : An Indian Muslim's stance on Ayodhya

[jamahir]

If current generation muslims don't approve of their historical actions, then why are they muslims at all? No, it is not just forefathers as people can convert into or out of it. Also, in 600AD, there was no Islam. So, it is not simply that one becomes muslim because he is born to muslim family. If one disapproves of the historical aspects of Islam, then he must disown that history and get out of Islam. Not getting out of Islam shows support for these actions

That is a silly argument.

Religion needs to be brought down from its pedestal that people have elevated to and people should be encouraged to follow the path of rationalism and scientific temper.

At least the system of being "pious" i.e. prayer and ritual as a way to compete with others to win more divine points or bribe God, should be reduced. I am not being biased towards Islam but being calm and rational when I say the real Islam can exist as a progressive socio-economic system even without the "being pious" part.

Imagine if we were to set up a Mars colony. Will being pious help us survive there or will being respectful of the Nature there help us survive ?

 

[hussain0216]

If current generation muslims don't approve of their historical actions, then why are they muslims at all? No, it is not just forefathers as people can convert into or out of it. Also, in 600AD, there was no Islam. So, it is not simply that one becomes muslim because he is born to muslim family. If one disapproves of the historical aspects of Islam, then he must disown that history and get out of Islam. Not getting out of Islam shows support for these actions

Hinduism was abhorrent to us


Islam was a far superior system that our people embraced, there are 600 million Muslims in South Asia now and you want us to abandon the path of God and go back to worshipping idols, stones and animals like some jahil??

You tripping bruv

 

[Suriya]

At least the system of being "pious" i.e. prayer and ritual as a way to compete with others to win more divine points, should be reduced. I am not being biased towards Islam but being calm and rational when I say tje real Islam will exist as a progressive socio-economic system even without the "being pious" part.

What is real Islam by the way?
Is it ever existed any where in last 1400 years?

 

[jamahir]

What is real Islam by the way?
Is it ever existed any where in last 1400 years?

Read this thread of mine for example. The mullahs will never speak of such things.

I will come back in an hour. You can leave your comments.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Forefathers?

The only link between Babur and myself is that we share a same religion. Since when did Babur or any of the other Muslim rulers become the forefathers of 200 million Muslims of India.

Now that's a racist post which should be reported. It's the same kind of language that Ajay Kumar Bisht uses: "Babur ki olad"

 

[Suriya]

Hinduism was abhorrent to us


Islam was a far superior system that our people embraced, there are 600 million Muslims in South Asia now and you want us to abandon the path of God and go back to worshipping idols, stones and animals like some jahil??

Have you even visited ISCON centers in Europe and America?
There are hundreds of thousand westerners who had lived Abharahamic religions all their lives and then preferred Hindu way of life.

So do so many Hindu spiritual leaders from Ohso, Maharshi Mahesh Yogi to todays Sri SRi and Sadh Guru who has many followers abroad.

 

[hussain0216]

Have you even visited ISCON centers in Europe and America?
There are hundreds of thousand westerners who had lived Abharahamic religions all their lives and then preferred Hindu way of life.

So do so many Hindu spiritual leaders from Ohso, Maharshi Mahesh Yogi to todays Sri SRi and Sadh Guru who has many followers abroad.

Yaar it's hippi propaganda, never met a Hindu convert in my life,,, flying monkeys, cows it's absurd to suggest anyone would embrace this enmass

Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world you can walk to the city centre and sit and wait and you will see a convert to Islam before long

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

At least the system of being "pious" i.e. prayer and ritual as a way to compete with others to win more divine points or bribe God, should be reduced.

True.

I am not being biased towards Islam but being calm and rational when I say the real Islam can exist as a progressive socio-economic system even without the "being pious" part.

As I have mentioned previously, people won't have problem with religion if it's filtered to take in the right content. Take the right things, ignore/don't believe in the wrong things. And that's where rationalism comes in.

See, I can't speak on the drawbacks of Islam as religious discussion is simply not allowed here.

 

[xeuss]

Loved it...if all muslims of sub continent are like him, there wouldnt be any hindu muslim fights

If all Hindus of the subcontinent were like Laloo Prasad Yadav, then there wouldn't be any Hindu Muslim fights.

Wait - he is a lower caste....not possible.

 

[xeuss]

If current generation muslims don't approve of their historical actions, then why are they muslims at all? No, it is not just forefathers as people can convert into or out of it. Also, in 600AD, there was no Islam. So, it is not simply that one becomes muslim because he is born to muslim family. If one disapproves of the historical aspects of Islam, then he must disown that history and get out of Islam. Not getting out of Islam shows support for these actions

So your problem is with Islam eh?

 

[kingQamaR]

Not perceived but factual atrocities committed by erst while Muslim rulers on Hindus.

Having said that I am staunchly opposed to the idea of holding the current generation Muslims responsible for the atrocities committed by their fore fathers.

For accuracy. Indian Muslims now or in the past played no role in Indian conquest any real terms.

they are just a by product of Muslims who converted them.

wrong of majority of your Hindu faith to harass them now like I said,
they are not , Babars, abdali, ghauri just tiny names of Muslim who you annoyed with.

maybe try us Pakistan our fore fathers certain places were part of this

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

This Harami can go to Hell

 

[TNT]

Wrong move.

SO WHAT IF A TEMPLE existed?

SO WHAT IF IDOLS are there?

Does it invalidate the legality of a Masjid that was built and that stood for 500 years?

Will you say that yeah please return the Kaaba to Pagans if they ask for it?

Let us not make this a matter of politics. This is Imaan - plain and simple. The politics can be based on managing the consensus - avoiding the Hindu attacks on Muslims to take imaginary revenge today for their cowardice 5 centuries back.

IF it was built on a mandir, it was wrong and unislamic. Thats a basic fact of Islam, u cannot destroy worship places of any religion. I will not pray in a masjid that been built on a mandir, is there shortage of land of Allah?? Now the decision is going to be political anyway, no matter what. Kaaba was built by Ibrahim AS and never belonged to pagans, so that doesnt make any sense.

 

[letsrock]

Like I said, before. The Hindus will kill.
The Hindu liberals will look the other way and lecture us for outraging.

Have you ever noticed caste composition of hindu liberals ? brahmins lead there. The people they really cant stand are laloo prasad, mamta, dmk, etc. Congress-RSS have always been one team. who broke the locks on temple - was it not their blue eyed boy rajiv gandhi - the kashmiri brahmin ?

 

[letsrock]

IF it was built on a mandir, it was wrong and unislamic. Thats a basic fact of Islam, u cannot destroy worship places of any religion. I will not pray in a masjid that been built on a mandir, is there shortage of land of Allah?? Now the decision is going to be political anyway, no matter what. Kaaba was built by Ibrahim AS and never belonged to pagans, so that doesnt make any sense.

more than 500 years passed. Out of which for almost 200 years muslims were not even ruling the place. And you are still putting a "if" over it ?