Point Of View with ArzooKazmi : An Indian Muslim's stance on Ayodhya

[jamahir]

@The Eagle @waz @xeuss @jamahir @Joe Shearer
Is it Ram mandir? or can we call it RSS mandir? I mean, by Hindu/Vedas scripture/law is it legitimate way to construct the building?
is it like blasphemy if we start calling it RSS mandir?

Hi, I am sleepy. So will log out. Will reply to you tomorrow.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@The Eagle @waz @xeuss @jamahir @Joe Shearer
Is it Ram mandir? or can we call it RSS mandir? I mean, by Hindu/Vedas scripture/law is it legitimate way to construct the building?ive
is it like blasphemy if we start calling it RSS mandir?

It is a Ram Mandir; the Hindutvavadis, and many Vaishnavas, will want to think of it as an instant iconic mandir. It is effectively a creation of the orc army created by the RSS. There will be people who will call it alternative names. Calling it an RSS Mandir merely means that you think it is a Mandir of the RSS' making.

There are very formal instructions for constructing a mandir, that very often get diluted or overlooked, but the motive forces behind the construction - there is a trust formed to overlook the construction - will be scrupulous about observing the niceties.

Hinduism, and Hindus, are awfully tolerant people. Within reason, a little light badinage is acceptable. Calling Krishna a r**ist, that too on the eve of Janmashtami, the eighth of the month and the day on which Krishna was born, a festival day, is not acceptable. That is not badinage, that is just an offensive person looking for a fight.

 

[Goenitz]

Hinduism, and Hindus, are awfully tolerant people. Within reason, a little light badinage is acceptable. Calling Krishna a r**ist, that too on the eve of Janmashtami, the eighth of the month and the day on which Krishna was born, a festival day, is not acceptable.

sure.. but my question was different. Let me make a new thread..

 

[xeuss]

There are multiple instances of kings making donations to build Buddhist viharas, universities, etc. So no, Buddhism was not outlawed in ancient India. In fact, Buddhism which originated in India is still followed by many South East Asian countries and I'm sure you know of this. Hindus don't look down on Buddhists and it's the vice versa for them as well.

But good to see you being concerned of Buddhism.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/budd...in-the-land-of-its-birth.509885/#post-9721952

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/budd...in-the-land-of-its-birth.509885/#post-9721952

There might be instances where Hindu kings might have persecuted Buddhists but it wasn't the norm in any way. Yes, everyone knows about Mihirakula's persecution of Buddhists but it wasn't done by all the kings. There was no such thing like an organized religion even among Hindus. The Nalanda University which was a Buddhist university was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji in 1193 and the author claims that Buddhism was extinct in some 700-800 AD itself.

Regardless of what happened in the past, Hindus don't have any antagonism for Buddhists. In fact, Hindus are proud of Buddhist kings like Ashoka. We even have the Ashoka chakra on our flag which is again a symbol of Buddhism.

 

[Joe Shearer]

sure.. but my question was different. Let me make a new thread..

I know....I drifted a bit, but if you need feedback or a comment, feel free to reach out. Mind you, a hard-core fanatic might not agree with me.

 

[xeuss]

There might be instances where Hindu kings might have persecuted Buddhists but it wasn't the norm in any way. Yes, everyone knows about Mihirakula's persecution of Buddhists but it wasn't done by all the kings. There was no such thing like an organized religion even among Hindus. The Nalanda University which was a Buddhist university was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji in 1193 and the author claims that Buddhism was extinct in some 700-800 AD itself.

Regardless of what happened in the past, Hindus don't have any antagonism for Buddhists. In fact, Hindus are proud of Buddhist kings like Ashoka. We even have the Ashoka chakra on our flag which is again a symbol of Buddhism.

All I can say is you need to read history better. There is ample evidence present how Hinduism destroyed Buddhism in pre-modern India. Furthermore, the claims that Nalanda University was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji has been debunked. Khilji was noted to have destroyed another vihara.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

There are multiple instances of kings making donations to build Buddhist viharas, universities, etc. So no, Buddhism was not outlawed in ancient India. In fact, Buddhism which originated in India is still followed by many South East Asian countries and I'm sure you know of this. Hindus don't look down on Buddhists and it's the vice versa for them as well.

But good to see you being concerned of Buddhism.

It is amusing when people who are breaking/destroying the idols of Buddha express concern for Buddhism.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

@The Eagle @waz @xeuss @jamahir @Joe Shearer
Is it Ram mandir? or can we call it RSS mandir? I mean, by Hindu/Vedas scripture/law is it legitimate way to construct the building?
is it like blasphemy if we start calling it RSS mandir?

source of the above thought:

Sure you can call whatever you want.

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism.

Everyone has liberty to build a temple for any deity they wish to pray.

Hence you have temples for both Rama and Ravana. Here we have people who build temples for Movie Actors and Politicians too.


5 Famous Temples of Ravana in India-The Demon King of Lanka
There are several temples in India where Ravana is worshipped and associated with Lord Shiva at some places. Temples related with Ravana in India are Ravana Mandir Bisrakh,Koteshwar Temple Gujarat,Vidisha Ravangram Temple and Murudeshwara Temple has Ravana Statue, Koneswaram temple of Sri Lanka is one of the most famous Ravana temple in the world.Image source:propertydirection

Ravana Mandir Bisrakh, Uttar Pradesh
Bisrakh village is situated in Greater Noida of Uttar Pradesh and believed to be birthplace of the king Ravana. A new temple dedicated to Ravana is under construction with a 42 feet Shiva Linga and a 5.5 feet statue of Ravana.


Dashanan Ravana Temple, Kanpur
On the occasion of Dussehra thousand of people worship Ravana at the Dashanan temple in Kanpur for the annual ritual. The temple is built adjacent to Lord Shiva temple in Shivala area of the city.

Jodhpur Ravan Mandir, Rajasthan
Maudgil Brahmins in Jodhpur are descendents of Ravana and building a temple dedicated to the demon king in Jodhpur. The temple premise will house a Ravana temple having idols of Ravana.

Ravangram Ravana Temple, Madhya Pradesh

The people of Ravangram village worship Ravana and here lies an ancient 10 feet idol of Ravana in a reclining position which is worshiped by all the devotees.Image Source:scoopwhoop

Kakinada Ravana Temple, Andhra Pradesh

Kakinada is a city in Andhra Pradesh and the only place in the Andhra Pradesh where Ravana was worshipped. The images of Ravana are seen associated with Lord Shiva near by huge Shivalinga in Kakinada.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Kinda how Buddhism was outlawed in ancient India?

Buddhism was born in 500BC. Ancient India dates to over 3000BC. Buddhism is actually part of medieval India and did not exist in ancient India to be banned

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Buddhism was born in 500BC. Ancient India dates to over 3000BC. Buddhism is actually part of medieval India and did not exist in ancient India to be banned

Hinduism dates back to at least 17000 BC not 3000 BC.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Hinduism dates back to at least 17000 BC not 3000 BC.

Yes, ancient history is beyond 3000BC. Dharma dates much before 3000BC

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

All I can say is you need to read history better. There is ample evidence present how Hinduism destroyed Buddhism in pre-modern India. Furthermore, the claims that Nalanda University was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji has been debunked. Khilji was noted to have destroyed another vihara.

Nice to see virtuous Khilji destroying some random vihara instead of the Nalanda university.
Anyway, please post links with regards to that.

Buddhism was just another sect of Hinduism at that time. Just a different way to attain 'moksha'. I certainly as a Hindu don't feel 'insecure' about reading the teachings of the great Lord Buddha who along with Mahatma Gandhi were one of the greatest spiritual people in the world.

Buddhism was born in India at the end of the day just Jainism and Sikhism. Dharmic faiths are known for mutual tolerance you see.