I think you misunderstood me I never touched the topic of owais qarni. I was pointing out to your concept of being alive in a sense that they will hear people and invoke Allah to grant it which is no where proven by Quran or sunnah. Instead it is said in Quran:
If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call; and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you [Faatir 35:13-14]
As for the shaheed you are just assuming that they can listen and further invoke Allah. The nature of this life mentioned in the quran is not explained and it is not the life similar to the world. If you read the commentary of these verses you will get to know.This is a special life, the nature of which is known to Allaah. It is not like the life of this world in which the soul remains with the body.
The basic principle concerning the dead is that they do not hear the words of the living, because Allaah says
“but you cannot make hear those who are in graves”
[Faatir 35:22]
Allaah confirmed that those whom the Prophet SAW was calling to Islam could not hear, by likening them to the dead. They were not literally dead were they?
I have mentioned you Quran and literally tried to explain to you. In return you are just giving me your opinion over the matter which doesnt hold much credibility in religion. These are the basics of tawheed that we never ask someone else for help other than to Allah directly. These were the reasons the pre islamic people got into shirk and idol worshipping. Allah is supreme and he doesnt require request from a dead person to grant a third person something when he cant even help himself.
So you want to look at one side of the story still. I still think that you need to read a few books to know exactly whats going on instead of just pasting ayats etc. and i will explain again to you. if ayats are to be taken literally, then why is Tafseer or explanation of these ayats there, so you understand the complete meaning. if it says in Koran, for example, to kill all non believers, will u take it as a word of Allah and pick up a gun and start killing all non believers or would u rather get to know whats being said in the ayat and understand what Allah is saying in that ayat.
Mate, no disrespect, but you dont have basic knowledge and i hate pointing it out again and again, i also agree that im no scholar. Go and read some books, obtain knowledge from different kinds of books on same topic. I also read books and i can tell you a few here :
Tazkiraya ul Anbiya
Qasas ul Awliya
Fazail darood shareef to name a few
anyways, regarding your post.
This ayat Faatir (35:13,14) you pasted here is not even complete. You have just picked up the part which you favour. If you had pasted the complete 13 and 14 ayats from this Surah, you would know that these ayats are explaining worshipping of sun and moon and the cycle of day and night. No one worships saints, worship in islam is only for Allah, all the people who go to shrines offers namaz to Allah, not to saint. or for your sake, not to sun and moon.
Next you mentioned shaheeds, the immortals who are still living, your point is nature of life is not explained. Okay, i can say the same to you and argue that the nature of life is not explained so you are also assuming that they cant invoke or listen, because Allah says they are alive so you dont have a proof also that they cant do what an alive person can do. but leave this discussion and although i can take this point further that Allah calls them alive so they can do all the things a living person can do but this discussion would make this page a courtroom and us lawyers.
If you read Surah al-imran ayats 169-173, its about shaheeds. In ayat 169, in the latter part it is said about shaheeds having provision or subsistence. If you read tafseer, it will explain more to you.
Surah Faatir (35:22) that you have pasted. have you read the context and tafseer? obviously not. If you read tafseer, this is being said about the non believers because the dead cannot benefit from guidance and the call to truth after they have died as disbelievers and ended up in the graves, so we cannot help these idol woorshippers who are decreed to be doomed, and cannot be guided.
If you use common sense here,living muslims say salam to dead muslims in grave. I have already mentioned an ayat to you that pious spirits live in the sky and descend from sky for duties on earth. These spirits are of pious people who are dead in our eyes but living still and working for Allah.
It has been narrated that the Prophet SAW said: "I passed by Musa on the night of my Journey while he was praying in his grave."[79] reference: A sound (sahih) tradition related on the authority of Anas and others by Muslim, Nasa'i, Bayhaqi in the Dala'il al-nubuwwa and the Hayat al-anbiya, and Suyuti in Anba' al-adhkya' and Sharh al-sudur. Nawawi said in his commentary on this hadith: "The work of the next world is all dhikr and du`a" (Sharh Sahih Muslim 1/73/267).
So Mate, i have not only pointed out your weakness in the discussion of merely copy pasting the parts of ayats through which you want to prove your point as if there is no tomorrow but also told you how to gain knowledge regarding tafseer, and mentioned a few books to start with also. Honestly, there are many sunni vs wahabi forums which you can find through google who have already answered all the ayats and hadiths that you can paste here to make your point. I would rather like to post on something relevant to sufi saints rather than replying to your copy pasted ayats. If i dont reply you any further is not my rudness or shyness but i feel my time wasted on something which is already discussed to death on various islamic forums, you can join there and u will find all debates , all wars and replies to what you can copy paste. My time is precious for me as i have mentioned before.
