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Photos of Ayub Khan visiting East pakistan (bangladesh)

My grand father and his sons(including my father) were also part of resistance against mukti bahini
my father told me that Pakistan army jawans after surrender gave them grenades and rifles for defence but unfortunately their weapons storage got destroyed when some mouse accidently hit grenade :)
so i would assume your folks were in EP/BD then. that's fascinating. i feel very bad that such things happened to people. generally people in Bangladesh afterwards became clueless or ignorant about those events. but i know accounts mostly from the other side of your folks' allegiance and it was hardly a black and white all drawn-out war.

No doubt Ayub Khan had an impressive presence, but sadly the pictures tell the real story - he seems like a visiting dignitary from a foreign country not our very own President. The way things are today is how they were always destined to be and we'd all be better off accepting it.

Personally most Pakistani's I know couldn't care 2 figs what happens to BD now - so i don't know why the BDeshis are flagellating themselves publicly on this forum. A healthy dose of self-respect really is in order here (or a jump straight down the proverbial well, if they're too overcome with shame).

You would never even dream of a Pakistani saying they should rejoin India just because they're going through a bad phase - why on earth would any self-respecting BDeshi do the same?

Of course we should have good relationships with Pakistan but also India and every other player in the region. Everything BD is today is because of our own people's hard work, loyalty and inventiveness. Nobody gave BD anything on a plate. Now after 40-odd years, why do we need some other country to look after us?

Obviously, BD will never rejoin Pakistan, not only is it practically impossible but thousands died to create this country which is progressing faster than most in the region.
i don't think you have seen in real life what happens when the prime minister or opposition leader makes a visit to a more distant city like Chittagong or Bogra or Sylhet. no country can be 'better off' if it goes from sovereignty to subjugation by enemy country. the reality is you are right about BD's relevance in the world but it needs to be seen where it historically was and where it could possibly be. in any case all that is in the interest of the Bangladeshis you hate is self-determination of what we know as Bangladesh whether by itself or in a federation with another landmass as we saw in recent history
 
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"hey look this Bengali guy looks like a foreign dignitary in our land. get him out we are 'better off' without him"

maybe the same applies to the Gujarati Quaid
 
so i would assume your folks were in EP/BD then. that's fascinating. i feel very bad that such things happened to people. generally people in Bangladesh afterwards became clueless or ignorant about those events. but i know accounts mostly from the other side of your folks' allegiance and it was hardly a black and white all drawn-out war.

i don't think you have seen in real life what happens when the prime minister or opposition leader makes a visit to a more distant city like Chittagong or Bogra or Sylhet. no country can be 'better off' if it goes from sovereignty to subjugation by enemy country. the reality is you are right about BD's relevance in the world but it needs to be seen where it historically was and where it could possibly be. in any case all that is in the interest of the Bangladeshis you hate is self-determination of what we know as Bangladesh whether by itself or in a federation with another landmass as we saw in recent history


Do you understand what self-determination or sovereignty even means? You're talking about self-determination and you want us to become part of another country?

The UK follows the USA's agenda and Pak follows KSA's agenda, are they not sovereign nations? Whoever you think is controlling BD behind the scenes, we are still a sovereign nation, but you are actually openly begging to become a vassal state!

It disgusts me that you represent yourself as a Bangladeshi when you have just exposed that you don't even believe in Bangladesh. No wonder you're quick to undersell your country and degrade yourself in a public forum. Where is your loyalty and your dignity man?

Does logic come into your sphere of thought either? Federation with another land mass 2000km away - have you ever seen that work in history?

The funny thing is that we were EP for 16 years and we have been BD for over 40, but you fellows cling onto the delusion of grand heights in history. 40 years is a baby's age for a nation, 16 years is not even a heartbeat. Get over it - you have your own country, take some pride in that.

Next time before spouting off on a public forum make sure you know what you're talking about. You would be well reminded that as EP, even in those 16 years we really were mistreated. Hundreds of Pak citizens are on record conceding that they did see BDeshi's as inferior - we look different, talk different, eat different - Hasan Nisar even said we 'smell different'. The senior administration in EP was overwhelmingly staffed by WP officers. I'm not going to teach you your own history, research it.

This policy undermined many highly qualified EP's, of course, in order to feel undermined you need self-respect. The only one's happy with the situation were servants, dalals and faqirs - self-respect not being a barrier in their cases. Now of the 2 groups tell me which you descended from.
 
Ha ha I see you changed your position again. I remember not so long ago you said on this very forum how 1947 was a mistake, not once but multiple times. One just has to google it to find your old posts. It's hard to take someone seriously if he keeps changing his position. Who knows tomorrow you'd say something different.

I just googled Google . There are not one but many posts by you saying 1947 was a blunder and you had no problem with separation from Pakistan, your only problem was that India was behind it. You even opened a thread on this once. Get a grip man.:lol:



Lost the election and everything suddenly changed. :haha::sarcastic:

What if partition did not happen in 1947?
Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history | Page 7

Confused soul. He changes positions all the time.

And with them the khayali pulao.
 
My grand father and his sons(including my father) were also part of resistance against mukti bahini my father told me that Pakistan army jawans after surrender gave them grenades and rifles for defence but unfortunately their oredweapons storage got destroyed when some mouse accidently hit grenade :)

@ It happened in Dinajpur District where all lifted mines and surrendered weapons of Pakistan Army were stored but suddenly all were blasted in one day. I even heard it from 25 km from my house.

@ It seems your father deployed in and around Saidpur, Rangpur, Dinajpur. You know that in this sector Pakistan Army was not defeated rather they withdrew from Punchagarh-Thakurgaon and took up defence on the line Birganj-Nilphamari-Domar as per plan and consolidated their defence but unfortunately on 16 December 1971 they got the withdrawn order.
 
Chy Rahmat Ali had Pakistan, Bengistan, Osmanistan and more.. what i understand is only Pakistan became popularly favored in both Bengal and Northwest and eventually used on the basis that paak-stan meant 'holy-land' in Urdu and other subcontinental languages
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Wrong my friend. read his journal "Now or Never" where the name PAKISTAN was used first time, check this link Now or Never, by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali, 1933 Here I am copying and pasting
" We address this appeal to you, in the name of our common heritage, and on behalf of our thirty million Muslim brethern who live in PAKISTAN by which we mean the five Northern units of India viz: Punjab, North-West Frontier Province (Afghan Province), Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. And we ask for your sympathy and support in our grim and fateful struggle against political crucifixion and national annihilation."
 
Wrong my friend. read his journal "Now or Never" where the name PAKISTAN was used first time, check this link Now or Never, by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali, 1933 Here I am copying and pasting
" We address this appeal to you, in the name of our common heritage, and on behalf of our thirty million Muslim brethern who live in PAKISTAN by which we mean the five Northern units of India viz: Punjab, North-West Frontier Province (Afghan Province), Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. And we ask for your sympathy and support in our grim and fateful struggle against political crucifixion and national annihilation."
you read me incorrectly. it's true that the word Pakistan may have been coined by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali and abbreviating the Northwestern provinces, but it was later applied to all the Muslim areas whether in the Northwest, or in the East, or in the Central region of then British India. and because it began to have a different meaning of 'holy land' and a different application, the meaning intended by Chaudhary Rehmat Ali may have been dropped. i read in many different places about this 'holy/clean/pure land' meaning. but i would be interested to get more info on this

The true meaning of Pakistan
 
you read me incorrectly. it's true that the word Pakistan may have been coined by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali and abbreviating the Northwestern provinces, but it was later applied to all the Muslim areas whether in the Northwest, or in the East, or in the Central region of then British India. and because it began to have a different meaning of 'holy land' and a different application, the meaning intended by Chaudhary Rehmat Ali may have been dropped. i read in many different places about this 'holy/clean/pure land' meaning. but i would be interested to get more info on this

The true meaning of Pakistan

Yeah it translates to land of the Pure he wanted Bangla to be its own thing though that's why.
 
My grand father, uncle and father are freedom fighters. When it comes to cricket my dad supports Pakistan even though he hates Pakistan as a nation.
your family follows Bengali religion or Arabic religion? hey i'm just trying to learn!
 
My grand father, uncle and father are freedom fighters. When it comes to cricket my dad supports Pakistan even though he hates Pakistan as a nation.

I wonder how many of your type they bred and brought up!

And they must be aware of your blind love for Bharat but feel no problem, then I just lol at these freedom fighters! he he
 
you read me incorrectly. it's true that the word Pakistan may have been coined by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali and abbreviating the Northwestern provinces, but it was later applied to all the Muslim areas whether in the Northwest, or in the East, or in the Central region of then British India. and because it began to have a different meaning of 'holy land' and a different application, the meaning intended by Chaudhary Rehmat Ali may have been dropped. i read in many different places about this 'holy/clean/pure land' meaning. but i would be interested to get more info on this.
The true meaning of Pakistan

@ Why you people are fighting with the word "Pak" ? Whatever may be the case Pakistan as a separate nation/state was came into being by the struggle of Bengal Muslims and the greater Muslims of Indian Subcontinent. Here the greater Muslims I mean the muslims of Bihar, Northern and Southern Sates of India. The people of Punjab, Sindh and NWFP came later. But again these people gave the base for the movement. Here the common people had all the support but the middle man were reluctance. May be the people were not that politically conscious in that region.
 

@ I liked the wife of General Ayub. She was very pretty and beautiful. She always wears a "Shari" type cloth. Was she a Bengali women or a Hindustani ????

@ " Menu tere nal piar ho gia ". " Soon balori rakh walia asha dil tere nal lalia ".
 
Chy Rahmat Ali had Pakistan, Bengistan, Osmanistan and more.. what i understand is only Pakistan became popularly favored in both Bengal and Northwest and eventually used on the basis that paak-stan meant 'holy-land' in Urdu and other subcontinental languages
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That map seems extremely bizarre. :o:
 

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