Peace in war-torn Afghanistan only via Kashmir, Pakistan tells US

[Taimoor Khan]

US is not getting a free lunch. Pakistan has received, and is still receiving, plenty of non-CSF monies. Now Pakistan has the cheek to change the rules midstream.

We have been sustaining their occupation in Afghansitan for getting peanuts in return , no strategic value at all for us. Time have changed now, about time to extract the real value of our cooperation.

This is a fantasy only a Pakistani could have. Even at the height of the Cold War, when US and Pakistan were close, US could not push the needle on Kashmir. It's less able to do so today. And why would US jeopardize its relationship with India over Kashmir?

As for regime change? We know US can do regime change in Pakistan, but India? I don't think so.

Thats the modi fanboys fantasies that India is some sort of power. America never took interest in kashmir because they dont have any, however by now aligning Afghanistan with Kashmir, stakes are raised. Give and take.

Modi regime can be dispatched if it keep on creating issues with Pakistan and get the focus away from the real goal of America which is to contain China via India, for which you jumped into yanks lap. They have got your by your balls now, when you have burned all bridges with the rest and jumped into their camp. Your economy depend on them, if they pull the rug, it will all come crumbling down.

 

[cloud4000]

We have been sustaining their occupation in Afghansitan for getting peanuts in return , no strategic value at all for us. Time have changed now, about time to extract the real value of our cooperation.

$33 billion is not peanuts.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

But go ahead and make the demand. It will be interesting to see how US responds.

Thats the modi fanboys fantasies that India is some sort of power. America never took interest in kashmir because they dont have any, however by now aligning Afghanistan with Kashmir, stakes are raised. Give and take..

Let's be clear here, it is Pakistan raising the stakes by linking Afghanistan with Kashmir. US is trying to be neutral on Kashmir, but making this demand you may as well push US to India on Kashmir.

Modi regime can be dispatched if it keep on creating issues with Pakistan and get the focus away from the real goal of America which is to contain China via India, for which you jumped into yanks lap. They have got your by your balls now, when you have burned all bridges with the rest and jumped into their camp. Your economy depend on them, if they pull the rug, it will all come crumbling down.

Containing China is in India's interests regardless of who is in charge in New Delhi. And it's US interests also. Things would really have to bad between India and US to reach the level you are talking about.

Let's see what happens. This is a statement from Sen. Mushahid Hussein. We will see if Pakistan confirms that is is indeed their official position.

 

[Lurch Adams]

Having tried everything else and failed, Pakistanis are like "chalo yeh bhi azmaa ke dekhte hain".

When will they learn?

 

[WhyCry]

Threat to US?? I think aid is not come to pakistan's satisfaction.

 

[Trisonics]

With a complete Pakistani failure of making the Kashmir issue relevant, all it can do is now join Kashmir with other issues.

 

[WhyCry]

$33 billion is not peanuts.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

But go ahead and make the demand. It will be interesting to see how US responds.

Begging will not change unless the attitude is changed.

Containing China is in India's interests regardless of who is in charge in New Delhi. And it's US interests also. Things would really have to bad between India and US to reach the level you are talking about.

Let's see what happens. This is a statement from Sen. Mushahid Hussein. We will see if Pakistan confirms that is is indeed their official position.

I won't be worried if thats official position as well since someone else is puling the thread/s. Pakistani people have to take control of the situation and stop being stooges to their own army. Turkey is great example where most of people don't like erodgen for his foolish statements but still supported democracy. They have been slaved too long to not open their feathers of power.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

If Pakistan could bring Taliban to the table it would have done so by now. Either Pakistan can't bring them to the table or it won't bring them to the table. Why do you think US droned Mansoor in Balochistan? To send a signal to Pakistan. I would like to see what leverage Pakistan has over US that it can ask for such terms



US is not getting a free lunch. Pakistan has received, and is still receiving, plenty of non-CSF monies. Now Pakistan has the cheek to change the rules midstream.



This is a fantasy only a Pakistani could have. Even at the height of the Cold War, when US and Pakistan were close, US could not push the needle on Kashmir. It's less able to do so today. And why would US jeopardize its relationship with India over Kashmir?

As for regime change? We know US can do regime change in Pakistan, but India? I don't think so.

We have huge leverage or influence over Afghan Taliban specially Haqqani network. That's what current Afghan government always blame Pakistan for lol. If you don't believe me you can ask @A-Team .
Also to know our influence. Few days back one of our Mi-35 heli crashed over Afghanistan (Taliban controlled territory) . And they crew became prisoners of Taliban . The crew also had one Russian member. But you know Taliban released all members unharmed

 

[WhyCry]

Let's be clear here, it is Pakistan raising the stakes by linking Afghanistan with Kashmir. US is trying to be neutral on Kashmir, but making this demand you may as well push US to India on Kashmir.

Pakistan has making a joke of themselves by all talk no action which is taking it in isolation which is detrimental to itself.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Pakistan has making a joke of themselves by all talk no action which is taking it in isolation which is detrimental to itself.

And what is mighty supa power India doing rather then just talking and getting angry on CPEC? Haha

 

[WhyCry]

We have huge leverage or influence over Afghan Taliban specially Haqqani network. That's what current Afghan government always blame Pakistan for lol. If you don't believe me you can ask @A-Team .

with all due respect to nations, even headache has major influence over every member or for instance flu or cough. What the issue is your usefulness.

And what is mighty supa power India doing rather then just talking and getting angry on CPEC? Haha

Thanks for trolling.

As for your comment on face value. I would be more happy if CPEC succeeds as It will only happen if there is no radicalization or terrorism in pakistan. It will benefit the whole region.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

with all due respect to nations, even headache has major influence over every member or for instance flu or cough. What the issue is your usefulness.

So you are trying to tell me that super power India has influence over Afghan Taliban? Haha

 

[Meengla]

That is oxymoron my friend and look where it has brought Pakistan into, a country whose civilians are begging the miltiary to change course because nobody in the world is listening to them anymore.
It also provides one more reason for Afghans to create strong institution because on one hand Pakistan complains that the Afghan issue is only because Durand Line and now its attaching Afghan security to Kashmire, next it will be Afghan security connected to Pakistani interests in Africa .

Actually, the premise of the OP article is correct: So long as India and Pakistan have a proxy war in Afghanistan there won't be peace in Afghanistan. And this proxy war is not unique nor it will be the last one. There is no peace in Ukraine or Syria because of outside parties taking advantage of a weak state.

Also, BTW, you Afghans are so gung-ho in the forums simply because you have Uncle Sam backed Western backing. Part of the money you are getting from the EU is to take back your illegal 'refugees' from Germany etc. YOU ARE THE MOST FAILED STATE OF ASIA! I don't think you are even a 'nation' per se. You are just a rentier mass of land whose even best days before 1979 were pathetically backward.

My advice: Yes, do build 'strong institution' but don't allow outside parties to use your land to attack Pakistan. Then we'd wish you the best. I hope you guys take advantage of even 5% of American largesse and actually rise above a rentier state level. Because, failing to do so, when the West leaves, it will mean the Talibans and the various ethnic war lords, will start the most cherished Afghan sport: Killing each other year around!

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Peace in Olympus Mons only via Kashmir, Pakistan tells the UN.
Peace in Africa only via Kashmir, Pakistan tells the world.
Peace in Burma only via Kashmir, Pakistan tells the world.
Peace in Milky way only via Kashmir, Pakistan tells the intergalactic assembly.

/s.

@Horus @Irfan Baloch @waz this guy is derailing each and every thread on PDF these days

 

[cloud4000]

We have huge leverage or influence over Afghan Taliban specially Haqqani network. That's what current Afghan government always blame Pakistan for lol. If you don't believe me you can ask @A-Team .
Also to know our influence. Few days back one of our Mi-35 heli crashed over Afghanistan (Taliban controlled territory) . And they crew became prisoners of Taliban . The crew also had one Russian member. But you know Taliban released all members unharmed

So you are basically admitting Pakistan has influence -- even control -- over the Taliban? So @A-Team is basically correct in what he says?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

additional benefits Pakistan leaders will then become jobless and civilians will become aware of their plots

Rich coming from a bakht