Pallywood: Debunking Palestinean Lies

[somebozo]

Your signature says"We Pakistanis cannot solve our own problems yet seek to raise fingers at others and pick on their short comings."
Who is breaking all barriers of hypocrisy..! NOW

Yes, we may not be able to solve all our problems but still we are far efficient on what ever we could solve..and this thread is not discussing problems but a debate about propaganda media..

we are the people who gave on of the first few universities mankind would ever have..

By some accounts, Taxilla was considered to be amongst the earliest universities in the world.

Whereas after ferocious digging in the empty quarter to offset cultural stigma..all could be found was:

Greek, Roman, and Syrian pottery shards discovered in the ruins – the oldest dating from 4,000 years ago

http://saudilife.net/component/cont...st-city-under-rub-al-khali-empty-quarter.html

Do admit man..Najd is dry..very dry..extremely dry..infact there has been no prophet, scholar, scientist, mathematician, etc from Najd throughout modern and ancient history..It is a waste piece of land where people remaned savages even at the zenith of Islamic Scientific era. And now they are exporting their savagery..

 

[Desert Fox]

I never used to believe that until recently but talking to my Arab brothers....I've realized that 'Pan-Arabism' often supersedes 'Pan-Islamism' ! I guess if I'm going to be a considered a Muslim brother and yet not part of a select group...then to hell with such brotherhood ! The Iranians on the other hand who've been demonized on this forum have never displayed anything but a sense of inclusivity towards me...despite the vast majority of Pakistanis being Sunnis !

That's because Pakistan and Iran have shared a common cultural and lingual history, as well as people to people contact. Pakistan has been a part of various empires and many of these included both modern day Pakistan and Iran, in other words we were both a part of one big nation at some points in history.

Arabs will identify with Arabs more than they would with a Pakistani, and Iranians, Afghans, and Pakistanis with each other more so than with Arabs.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Where we are ? We are where we are because of our wrong policy of trusting Saudi Arabia and US to actually see the Afghan Jihad through...instead of rehabilitating the Afghans back into society, everyone left as soon as their interests were over.....! Because of that stupid mistake we've suffered 30 years of continuous conflict and yet even still pre-2007 we had an annual growth of 7% ! Better nations would have crumbled !

And no the women in my country don't look like a walking tent, they don't need the men in their family to escort them as if they are toddlers and they sure as hell can drive ! And yes we've failed.....we've failed because we trusted others to have our best interests in heart...Never again !

You just followd your own interests, you fought USSR by arming Afghani, and KSA supported you financially. It's damnd KSA, they houldn't have intervned and let Pakistan/Afghani fight alone with USSR. Go blame USA for invading Afghanistan not us. We suffered from those terrorists but we succeeded of protecting our countries though, we didn't point out fingers to others. Think logically and stop blaming others for your problems.

 

[Armstrong]

Lets not unload our prejudices and short comings on our great religion. Nothing supersedes true religious brotherhood. The sahaba fought and killed their own brothers and fathers in battle for this Islam. There are numerous examples and verses and hadiths that back up the statement that only based on faith people should conduct their life and not on tribal issues. I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

That I'd agree with !

Well, I can only say that I have never in my life hear someone say that.

Say what ? Pan-Arabism is just a figment of my imagination ?

 

[King Solomon]

Lets not unload our prejudices and short comings on our great religion. Nothing supersedes true religious brotherhood. The sahaba fought and killed their own brothers and fathers in battle for this Islam. There are numerous examples and verses and hadiths that back up the statement that only based on faith people should conduct their life and not on tribal issues. I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

I would not expect anyone to get the real picture of this fictitious pan-Islamism that easily either. This illogical b.s. is ingrained too much into people, which is taken totally out of context to what the Quran actually meant it to be. And then people complain when they get betrayed!!

 

[Desert Fox]

the Iranians are the same..just that their racism is a bit more subtle.. Salvation of Pakistan lies in breaking away from these clutches of Arab vs Persian imperialism and carve out its own distinctive identity by forging strong relations with CIS, Turkey, China, Far East and Israel. Otherwise we are going to become a pawn of this Arab vs Persian rivalry and even a proxy battle ground.

Pakistanis should be Pakistanis at first and nothing else, religion should stay in the place where it should be.

Dont try to promote Iran by taking advantage of few weaknesses on the Arab side.

As much as I admire he Iranin culture, heritage, quest of knowledge and taste for finer things..there are some fine lines which should not be crossed..we have a sizeable portion of Pakistanis with Persian roots and deep family connections in Iran and we don't want to turn them into Pan-Persian nationalist by trespassing certain restraints.


I prefer that we take neutrality in all aspects.

I agree with most of what you said, but i don't subscribe to your view that we should establish strong ties with israel and i have my reasons for that. Staying neutral in israeli-Palestinians affairs is good enough, but establishing strong ties with israel is just going overboard.

 

[King Solomon]

Say what ? Pan-Arabism is just a figment of my imagination ?

Pan Arabism, pan persianism, pan wahhabism etc are very common. I've met some pan Turkish people in the forum too who envisions Turkey conquering all former Ottoman lands. To each culture their own.

 

[IbnAlwaled]

That I'd agree with !



Say what ? Pan-Arabism is just a figment of my imagination ?

No its not but I never heard a Muslim say it precedes religion, in fact I think he would be declared a kafir by our imams

 

[Armstrong]

You just followd your own interests, you fought USSR by arming Afghani, and KSA supported you financially. It's damnd KSA, they houldn't have intervned and let Pakistan/Afghani fight alone with USSR. Go blame USA for invading Afghanistan not us. We suffered from those terrorists but we succeeded of protecting our countries though, we didn't point out fingers to others. Think logically and stop blaming others for your problems.

What part of 'mistake' did you not understand ? Am I absolving Pakistan of that...? No but neither should Saudi Arabia, the US and the rest of them look the other way when blame is being dished out ! We (the lot of us) had an obligation of putting Afghanistan back into some semblance of civility but we jumped ship and forget all about it ! And now...Pakistan is suffering because of that...because those who should have seen it through...didn't !

No its not but I never heard a Muslim say it precedes religion, in fact I think he would be declared a kafir by our imams

I didn't say it precedes religion ! I said it supersedes Pan-Islamism; when within that so-called Islamic Brotherhood an exclusive Arab-Only block is created ! What that means in practical terms is that whereas the GCC and most other Arab countries would go gaga over anything that Iran or Israel would do to an Arab country....the same inclusivity has never been extended to Pakistan !

 

[IbnAlwaled]

I would not expect anyone to get the real picture of this fictitious pan-Islamism that easily either. This illogical b.s. is ingrained too much into people, which is taken totally out of context to what the Quran actually meant it to be. And then people complain when they get betrayed!!

As someone who is arrogant enough that he basis his religion on himself without fallowing any of the past believers and immams, i honestly find it pointless to discuss religion with you. When you write a book about you're "pro Zionist politically correct anti Arab Qur'an based only" version of Islam PM me.
Peace

 

[Rana4pak]

No its not but I never heard a Muslim say it precedes religion, in fact I think he would be declared a kafir by our imams

ur imams what a joke who have no rite to say a word against amercia .even in hajj they said what the house of saud told them

 

[King Solomon]

As some one who is arrogant enough that he basis his religion on himself without fallowing any of the past believers and immams, i honestly find it pointless to discuss religion with you. When you write a book about you're pro Zionist politically correct anti Arab Qur'an only version of Islam PM me.
Peace

Well, truth always hurts. Face it.

 

[IbnAlwaled]

ur imams what a joke who have no rite to say a word against amercia .even in hajj they said what the house of saud told them

Please don't generalize. Yes a lot of them are corrupt and a lot of them aren't.

 

[Desert Fox]

You just followd your own interests, you fought USSR by arming Afghani, and KSA supported you financially. It's damnd KSA, they houldn't have intervned and let Pakistan/Afghani fight alone with USSR.

USSR was just as much a threat to Saudis as it was to Pakistan, so we did have a common enemy, however providing financial support doesn't mean spreading a certain extremist ideology to use as a way of expanding influence in another country, remember KSA wanted Iran to be pressured from its eastern border since Saddam became weak after 1991.

Go blame USA for invading Afghanistan not us.

USA invaded because a Saudi took refuge in Afghanistan and instead used it as a base for terrorism.

We suffered from those terrorists but we succeeded of protecting our countries though, we didn't point out fingers to others. Think logically and stop blaming others for your problems.

You don't border a war torn country like Afghanistan, neither do you have funds coming in from foreign countries spreading the influence of extremism amongst the local population.

Secondly, we're blaming you because it was your people who came to our part of the world and used it as terror staging grounds and therefore dragged us into a unnecessary war that has cost us more than you Arabs ever gave us and can give us.

 

[Armstrong]

Well, truth always hurts. Face it.

Yeah but your truth kinda slaps me routinely on the face too ! So I find it hard to digest too !