Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

Ak 12 is lighter than SCAR H and can replace both G3 and Type 56 and we can afford it aswell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-12

AK-12 is good Gun but no match to SCAR in performance in every aspect.

 

[Arsalan]

Well I think caliber is the problem it doesn't have 7.62 X 39 or 7.62 X 51. Although if we are looking to go for two Guns, one to replace G3 and one to replace Type 56 than along with FN SCAR I would prefer this over AK-103. AK-103 is already 25 year old weapon. @balixd @Arsalan

It do have 7.62 x 39mm and should have been considered in the first place if it was made available by the Russians.

 

[Zarvan]

It do have 7.62 x 39mm and should have been considered in the first place if it was made available by the Russians.

Well than if we are going for two Guns one to replace G3 and one to replace Type 56 than along with SCAR we should opt for this Gun instead of 25 year old AK-103

 

[Arsalan]

Well than if we are going for two Guns one to replace G3 and one to replace Type 56 than along with SCAR we should opt for this Gun instead of 25 year old AK-103

The "big purchase" decision will be made only in some years. The current trails will just form the base of what you may call the "first batch". What comes after that will be decided in few years so nothing can be said for sure.

Well than if we are going.......

@WAJsal

 

[Zarvan]

The "big purchase" decision will be made only in some years. The current trails will just form the base of what you may call the "first batch". What comes after that will be decided in few years so nothing can be said for sure.


@WAJsal

Sir we are going for full scale production no small change. We are massively upgrading POF WAH and which ever Gun selected will be mass produced at WAH

 

[RAMPAGE]

It do have 7.62 x 39mm and should have been considered in the first place if it was made available by the Russians.

Those are 545s.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Ak 12 is lighter than SCAR H and can replace both G3 and Type 56 and we can afford it aswell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-12

AK12 (7.62x51 mm variant haven't been developed yet) ... It is good choice for 7.62x39mm caliber

 

[Basel]

Many pages on Facebook related to Army are breaking news that FN SCAR has been approved and selected for Armed Forces. @Arsalan @Quwa @Wolfhound @Tipu7

Will SCAR or any new gun selected will be good like G-3 when it comes to CQB/ Hand to hand combat in battlefield? Its very important and Kargil proves G-3 is good in it.

 

[Zarvan]

Will SCAR or any new gun selected will be good like G-3 when it comes to CQB/ Hand to hand combat in battlefield? Its very important and Kargil proves G-3 is good in it.

G3 sucks in CQB. It's Type 56 and now M4 also which is used by Pakistani infantry and special forces for close combat missions.

AK12 (7.62x51 mm variant haven't been developed yet) ... It is good choice for 7.62x39mm caliber

That is what we are suggesting. Replacing Type 56 with AK-12 not AK-103. And SCAR replacing G3.

 

[Kompromat]

Spoke the FN SCAR vendor participating in the trials, he said ARX-200 is still a prototype and has not been proven in battlefield conditions.

 

[Zarvan]

Spoke the FN SCAR vendor participating in the trials, he said ARX-200 is still a prototype and has not been proven in battlefield conditions.

Sir G please talk to some senior Army officers and ask them about trials and when would be results announced @Horus

 

[Arsalan]

Sir we are going for full scale production no small change. We are massively upgrading POF WAH and which ever Gun selected will be mass produced at WAH

It won’t be.
NOT FROM GET GO!

A few thousand are to be produced initially and that will give more than enough guns for field trails and deployment. The production and induction process will take a few years surely and the guns will be evaluated, AGAIN, at unit level. Tested and tried in battlefield. A decision to continue with production of same gun or select a new one will only be made AFTER those years. You may not get such details in news for now or may ever but that is what the plan is. Also the concept of an indigenous gun have some supporters in the upper echelons and a side story is that may be after these initial 12-15k guns are produced at POF and the technology is acquired we may go for a Pakistani design, heavily based on the selected gun that we select (and have produced in few thousands) but with some tweaks based on lessons learned from all the real action and deployment at units level. This however is just an idea for now with the concerned authorities and the decision will be made one the initial batch is produced and inducted. I hope you can understand why this idea may not be made public officially (we won’t like to piss off the supplier who’s gun we are going to select).

As for “massively upgrading POF Wah” it is not that massive and it is not “upgrading” yet. It is a plan and a committed and will happen in near future at a considerable scale. Not confuse it with something that is “happening right now” and on a “massive scale”.

 

[Basel]

G3 sucks in CQB. It's Type 56 and now M4 also which is used by Pakistani infantry and special forces for close combat missions.


That is what we are suggesting. Replacing Type 56 with AK-12 not AK-103. And SCAR replacing G3.

you didn't get my point, I m talking about hand to hand combat which usually happens in Kashmir conflicts while attacking or defending posts.

 

[Zarvan]

you didn't get my point, I m talking about hand to hand combat which usually happens in Kashmir conflicts while attacking or defending posts.

In Kashmir we mostly use TYPE 56 but FN SCAR is good in hand to hand combat

 

[Bratva]

It won’t be.
NOT FROM GET GO!

A few thousand are to be produced initially and that will give more than enough guns for field trails and deployment. The production and induction process will take a few years surely and the guns will be evaluated, AGAIN, at unit level. Tested and tried in battlefield. A decision to continue with production of same gun or select a new one will only be made AFTER those years. You may not get such details in news for now or may ever but that is what the plan is. Also the concept of an indigenous gun have some supporters in the upper echelons and a side story is that may be after these initial 12-15k guns are produced at POF and the technology is acquired we may go for a Pakistani design, heavily based on the selected gun that we select (and have produced in few thousands) but with some tweaks based on lessons learned from all the real action and deployment at units level. This however is just an idea for now with the concerned authorities and the decision will be made one the initial batch is produced and inducted. I hope you can understand why this idea may not be made public officially (we won’t like to piss off the supplier who’s gun we are going to select).

As for “massively upgrading POF Wah” it is not that massive and it is not “upgrading” yet. It is a plan and a committed and will happen in near future at a considerable scale. Not confuse it with something that is “happening right now” and on a “massive scale”.

https://defence.pk/threads/army-hunts-for-lethal-assault-rifle-junks-drdos-excalibur.437634/page-2

Now India is also going for a new service rifles. What are the chances they will try to scuttle the efforts of Pakistan procuring rifles ?