Pakistan's Identity Crisis: Can it explain itself without India?

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Will Pakistan still exist as a nation if say suddenly the religion of all Pakistanis change from Islam?

May be may be not.depends on if all Pakistanis convert to single religion.But this is not going to happen because foreigners can't occupy our land.

And what role, identity, status of those living in the nation for Muslims who are non-Muslims (Hindus, Christians) or those who you deem as non-Muslims (Ahmedis)? How do these people perceive the identity of Pakistan? Or is it that their perception does not matter?

According to our religion state is responsible for protection of minorities.if state is doing its job so minorities should divert their faithfulness to state.but there is very small percentage of minorities in Pakistan.They had the chance to leave, they didn't left,now state is responsible for their safety.

If I talk about other Muslim majority nations like Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Iran etc, I am sure they will still remain soveriegn nations irrespective of what religion the citizens follow

But Pakistan is the only country in the world history which is established on the basis of religion.other Muslim countries already existed even without islam,so they will probably exist even if Islam diminishes from there.But Pakistan never existed without Islam and probably will not exist without Islam.

 

[hussain0216]

Aik hi baat ha. You can say Pakistan is beautiful and clean version of India

Most Pakistanis are young

Individuals are young, the people of this land are ancient and one of the first civilizations of humanity was in Pakistan

Our people come from there, we have never left



What does some Kala oddisan and UP person or Maratha or anyone have to do with THIS land and people that we should connect ourselves with India??????

 

[Maula Jatt]

Aik hi baat ha. You can say Pakistan is beautiful and clean version of India

Most Pakistanis are young

Plenty other threads to troll either present an argument or stop with one liners

 

[El Sidd]

The people of Pakistan are ancient

The people have been here for thousands of years

Kashmiri
Punjabi
Sindhi
Baloch
Pashtun
And more

Indus valley civilization was here over 12,000 years ago when people to the east were living in jungles and people to the west in caves

The land of Pakistan has always been unique and ancient


We don't need legitimisation from people we hate in India

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So when are you hoisting the PTI flag in Rajkot, Junagarh and Ahmedabad?

Better hurry cause Ahmedabad may as well be renamed by Indian government.

What does some Kala oddisan and UP person or Maratha or anyone have to do with THIS land and people that we should connect ourselves with India??????

Cricket and mutual love for Imran Khan

 

[hussain0216]

So when are you hoisting the PTI flag in Rajkot, Junagarh and Ahmedabad?

Better hurry cause Ahmedabad may as well be renamed by Indian government.


Cricket and mutual love for Imran Khan

To hell with India

Let the India ln Muslims enjoy India and hindutva,, let the Afghans enjoy Afghanistan

Let us enjoy watching them suffer

There are millions of kalay Pakistanis. Unki ID card block kardo ga?

As long as they are citizens, who cares

 

[Arsalan345]

Can India explains itself without muslims? Our history teaches us something else. Very sad to see identity crisis problem. We ruled India and we will rule it again. Some say that Muslims conquered indian subcontinent even before Muhammad bin qasim arrival. Clearly we don't know history and Indians try to change it through twisted facts.

Muslims didn't force anyone to accept religion. People joined us without any hesitation. Black and white, everyone accepted our religion. This indian propaganda doesn't work here. We are powerful and we have a golden history unlike Indians, who were born through identity crisis problem in buddhism. Clearly buddhists aren't Indians. Nepalese aren't Indians. These Indians used to live in groups and they served their masters well. First they were slaves of buddhist people and later, slaves of Muslims. They say we are converted. These Indians, all of them are converted. some were part of buddhist empire and some accepted our religion. Now who is converted?

 

[El Sidd]

To hell with India

Psycho insan the map you presented claims these as Pakistani territory so does new political map of Pakistan.

andh bakht iqra

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

What is Pakistan's ideology / dream?

First dream of Pakistan was to divide India to make separate homeland for Muslims of indian subcontinent.
Now our dream is economic prosperity and technological progress.lets see when our this dream will be materialized fully.

 

[magra]

Geography is by far the greatest factor in identity. This fact was rammed home to the bearded nationalists in 1971. Geography imposes it's own impress. Why are the Hindu majority Nepal a indepenant country from India?

Cos Nepal has a different ideology. If its ideology aligns with India, it might consider joining India.

No. What was India's dream? Midnight tryst with unity is diversity?

Yes, unity in diversity is our ideology. And our dream is to bring India back to the economic and cultural zenith it was prior to British arrival.

India is just the uglier, crappier, dirtier, filthier swamp of Pakistan.

Ugly in what sense? Are you talking about skin color?

No. What ideology does Singapore have, UK have, Italy have, Ireland have, Australia have etc

That you would need to ask those ppl. If geography was the only factor, then Singapore would have merged in Malaysia. Northern Ireland would have been with Ireland and not UK.

Now our dream is economic prosperity and technological progress.lets see when our this dream will be materialized fully.

Good to hear that you have a positive dream for the future. Good luck. Some Pakistanis still harbor destructive dreams such as thousand cuts and Ghazwa-e-Hind.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Bearded nationalist are idiots - facts

Just your hate with beard.nothing else.Beard is natural.why so much hate with it?
If you are talking about mullahs,then it's ok.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

That is something for them to explain.

no, it isn't. we aren't the ones trying to distance ourselves from India.

In fact the differance is more marked then say between Seine River which forms the crucible of France and River Ruhr which is backbone of Germany.

it may very well be so. the difference between Bengali and Punjabi langauges or even Haryanavi and Delhi Hindi might be greater than the bordering French and German languages. yet India is united, and so is Europe these days. but this doesn't show that they are different civilizations, no, it shows the opposite. who can claim France and Germany are distinct civilizations? are they not both part of the broader European civilization, claiming roots in distant lands of Greece and Rome? is the distance between Islamabad and Delhi not half of Athens and Berlin, lesser than Paris and Rome?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Just your hate with beard.nothing else.Beard is natural.why so much hate with it?
If you are talking about mullahs,then it's ok.

You know what I was saying

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Ghazwa-e-Hind

Better don't touch this topic.


@Avicenna have you ever read about Ghazwa e Hind or its just Pakistanis popularizing the idea of Ghazwa e Hind

 

[magra]

Seriously what are Indians as we know the political country today. Peel away the name. The Romani Gyspsies might carry a very impressive sounding, historical name 'Roma' but look beyond the name they are just scum walking around with a halo sounding 'Roma'.

So peel away the 'India' and what do we see? 90% of Indians are product of savages of the jungles of Ganga or the Aboriginals in south of India called Dravidians. Their archetype is the junglee Adivasi.

The veneer 10% is mosty from our lands. In fact Hinduism was cradled in Pakistan during the Vedas period and then moved east into Ganga jungles converting the savages but enforcing caste system which still persists today.

Then you have the dozen on dozen of Tamil, Telagu, Odishans, Biharis, Bengalis, UPites etc all under the artificial 'unity under divesity;. It's joke for these uncouth junglees to point fingers at their masters who gave them their religion and semblances of civilizaation.

Does any of the above explain Pakistan's identity? Whenever Pakistan's identity is discussed, you guys start talking about India.
Hence the OP that Pakistan cannot explain its identity without India.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

So peel away the 'India' and what do we see? 90% of Indians are product of savages of the jungles of Ganga or the Aboriginals in south of India called Dravidians. Their archetype is the junglee Adivasi.

you shouldn't be showing such racial hate against groups who had a big hand in the actual founding of Pakistan. the bureaucratic elite running Pakistan right after it's founding were also the children of Ganges. but forget that. you do not have any actual points. viewing civilization through the lens of rivers alone is myopic. China and Europe both had multiple river systems, doesn't make them multi civilizational countries. there's only one European civilization, one Chinese civilization. the histories of Ganga, Indus, Brahmaputra, Kaveri, etc are inextricably tied together, just like all the rivers of China. there's no Himalaya to separate India from India, only India from China.