Pakistan's Identity Crisis: Can it explain itself without India?

[magra]

Islam is our identity.Thats all.Pakistan was established for the Muslims of south asia.Anyone who came here in 47 partition is citizen of Pakistan,No matter what is his caste.Islam allows us to use the name of our castes so does the constitution of "Islamic Republic of Pakistan"
Now tell me what's wrong with it?

Its not for outsiders to decide if anything is wrong with it. If all Pakistanis agree to this version of yours, then that is your identity. But the question, do all Pakistanis agree? If yes, then why did East Pak separate. Why Balochistan is unhappy? Why Ahmedis not happy?

 

[Kingdom come]

Pakistan's Identity Crisis: Can it explain itself without India?

Yes it can

 

[ARMalik]

The Usual Bullshi.t and lies from 3rd Class Indians and their puppets.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan's Identity Crisis: Can it explain itself without India?

Yes it can

Is India leaving earth? But who will take up sporadic bursts of choreographed dancing?

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Its not for outsiders to decide if anything is wrong with it. If all Pakistanis agree to this version of yours, then that is your identity. But the question, do all Pakistanis agree? If yes, then why did East Pak separate. Why Balochistan is unhappy? Why Ahmedis not happy?

Bengal separated from us due to economic reasons.if we had provided them their basic rights ,they would never had rebelled.same is the case for Balochistan.Economic prosperity will finish all unrest from Balochistan.They agreed to live with us so they are with us.

When we said them hey! lets come together and work for a separate homeland for the Muslims of indian subcontinent,they agreed to us,worked with us and now there exists Islamic Republic of Pakistan.so all Pakistanis agree to the concept of Pakistan

 

[Maula Jatt]

he's practically making the same argument as our own Indus Pakistan, no? that the civilization on the Indus is somehow fundamentally different from the Gangetic civilization. but his own points are kneecaped by something he says earlier, that civilizational differences arise due to geographical barriers. the difference between the Gangetic plains and the Southern ghats with Narmada and Kaveri is greater than that between Gangetic and Indus plains, but can South India explain itself without the rest of India?

Islam is a big part of Pakistan, no doubt about it
But why did the whole Indus converted to one religion and not say UP cause Sindh didn't face as many invasions as UP faced because of flat lands but are a majority Muslim pop unlike UP, why do y'all have so much interconnectivity, why were your economies dependent on each other as in if Punjab had a crop failure, people in rest of the Indus likely starved, if sindh had a bad harvest, rest of the Indus couldn't get a certain crops,why were the baloch fisherman using Indus to sell fisheries for centeries?, why were you using this river system as a highway, why did most of your saints originated from the wider Indus civilization and not rest of the SC, why did the Kashmiris (again majority Muslim due to Indus connection) migrate to Punjab in winter to sell stuff and than go back, why are the bordering Afghan still so dependant on Pakistan in almost everything

Islam is polar opposite of dharma, this in itself creates a vastly different ways (hindutavas were originaters of TNT while at the same time chanting for Akhand Bharat= so you can guess thier intentions), but what this guy is saying is theres more to it

Like why did you as a country became Muslim in the first place? This question will lead to a realization that your origins are much more fundamentaly sound than that but by ignoring it you're being unfair

 

[magra]

Bengal separated from us due to economic reasons.if we had provided them their basic rights ,they would never had rebelled.same is the case for Balochistan.Economic prosperity will finish all unrest from Balochistan.They agreed to live with us so they are with us.

When we said them hey! lets come together and work for a separate homeland for the Muslims of indian subcontinent,they agreed to us,worked with us and now there exists Islamic Republic of Pakistan.so all Pakistanis agree to the concept of Pakistan

And what role, identity, status of those living in the nation for Muslims who are non-Muslims (Hindus, Christians) or those who you deem as non-Muslims (Ahmedis)? How do these people perceive the identity of Pakistan? Or is it that their perception does not matter?

Will Pakistan still exist as a nation if say suddenly the religion of all Pakistanis change from Islam?

If I talk about other Muslim majority nations like Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Iran etc, I am sure they will still remain soveriegn nations irrespective of what religion the citizens follow.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Aside from name, what is the identity of Pakistan?

As a political unit it is federation of four [five] provinces and the name Pakistan itself is derived from the acronym of those provinces which are each clustered around a ethnic group.

The acronym 'PAKSTAN' was coined by Rehmat Ali in 1933 in his pamphlet 'NOW or NEVER'.

Now that covers the political frame of the state. At a geographic and historical level Pakistan is the latest appellation of the Indus Basin geography which has unbroken history going back to 7,000 years. This is the land that gave birth to name India. Indeed at dawn of history 'India' was the Indus Basin analogous to Pakistan. A good example is Alexnder's invasion of India. He never went to the India we know today and neither did he fight West Indians because both meanings as they are understood today dod not exist. It is the false use of two names on a historical continuum to give a incorrect rendering of facts. It is much like Romani Gyspies claming ancient Roman Empire was something to do with them and NOT the Italians because Italy did not exist then.

Indus River is almost 96% in Pakistan with tiny sliver in disputed J & K and another sliver in China. As much as Nile is to Egypt, Indus is to Pakistan - actually more because Egypt does not cover more than even 50% of nile with rest being in Sudan, Ethopia, Uganda etc.

Indians as are understood today ae a composite of Gangus of the Ganga basin and Aboriginal Dravids of the south with some admixture from our lands.

 

[magra]

As a political unit it is federation of four [five] provinces and the name Pakistan itself is derived from the acronym of those provinces which are each clustered around a ethnic group.

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The acronym 'PAKSTAN' was coined by Rehmat Ali in 1933 in his pamphlet 'NOW or NEVER'.


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Now that covers the political frame of the state. At a geographic and historical level Pakistan is the latest appellation of the Indus Basin geography which has unbroken history going back to 7,000 years. This is the land that gave birth to name India. Indeed at dawn of history 'India' was the Indus Basin analogous to Pakistan. A good example is Alexnder's invasion of India. He never went to the India we know today and neither did he fight West Indians because both meanings as they are understood today dod not exist. It is the false use of two names on a historical continuum to give a incorrect rendering of facts. It is much like Romani Gyspies claming ancient Roman Empire was something to do with them and NOT the Italians because Italy did not exist then.

Indus River is almost 96% in Pakistan with tiny sliver in disputed J & K and another sliver in China. As much as Nile is to Egypt, Indus is to Pakistan - actually more because Egypt does not cover more than even 50% of nile with rest being in Sudan, Ethopia, Uganda etc.

Indians as are understood today ae a composite of Gangus of the Ganga basin and Aboriginal Dravids of the south with some admixture from our lands.

So is Pakistan's identity just a piece of geography? Real identity comes from ideology or a dream. What is Pakistan's ideology / dream?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

South India explain itself without the rest of India?

That is something for them to explain.

the difference between the Gangetic plains and the Southern ghats with Narmada and Kaveri

First the differances were historically more marked in the past. Indus is a distinct geography from Ganga plains despite the huge Indian effort to ape grab the Indus. In fact the differance is more marked then say between Seine River which forms the crucible of France and River Ruhr which is backbone of Germany.

 

[Aesterix]

India in its current form never existed and was created by the British.
Before that the area now called India, was just that, an area, not a country.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So is Pakistan's identity just a piece of geography?

Geography is by far the greatest factor in identity. This fact was rammed home to the bearded nationalists in 1971. Geography imposes it's own impress. Why are the Hindu majority Nepal a indepenant country from India?

Real identity comes from ideology or a dream.

No. What was India's dream? Midnight tryst with unity is diversity?

Pakistan is just a Muslim majority and smaller version of India.

India is just the uglier, crappier, dirtier, filthier swamp of Pakistan.

Real identity comes from ideology or a dream. What is Pakistan's ideology / dream?

No. What ideology does Singapore have, UK have, Italy have, Ireland have, Australia have etc

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan is just a Muslim majority and smaller version of India.

The people of Pakistan are ancient

The people have been here for thousands of years

Kashmiri
Punjabi
Sindhi
Baloch
Pashtun
And more

Indus valley civilization was here over 12,000 years ago when people to the east were living in jungles and people to the west in caves

The land of Pakistan has always been unique and ancient


We don't need legitimisation from people we hate in India

 

[Maula Jatt]

Bearded nationalist are idiots - facts

 

[Indus Pakistan]

India in its current form never existed and was created by the British.
Before that the area now called India, was just that, an area, not a country.

Bingo. It;s akin to Pakistan branding itself 'Islamic REpublic of Asia' and then claiming Chinese, Arab, Malay etc histories as 'Asian' and then using referances to 'Asia' in Greek books from 3,000 years ago as proof that it is us they are talking about.,

The people of Pakistan are ancient

The people have been here for thousands of years

Kashmiri
Punjabi
Sindhi
Baloch
Pashtun
And more

Indus valley civilization was here over 12,000 years ago when people to the east were living in jungles and people to the west in caves

The land of Pakistan has always been unique and ancient


We don't need legitimisation from people we hate in India

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Just look at that map? That is us. Note 95% of Gangus are outside it.