Pakistan's first indigenous armed drone "BURAQ" kills 3 militants in Shawal: ISPR

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

A reasonable technology demonstrator sufficient for ground forces that do not have air defense capabilities
But reasonable system.

 

[FunkyGen]

@FunkyGen

Brother this is very good to see armed drones in pakistans army ... congratz for that ...

But my point is something else ...

what is your idea ?

Pardon me i didn't get your point?

 

[Mitro]

First of thing is Pakistan is not new to drone technology and producing lots of drones from many years
The buraq is very common drone and proven design available in the market even Indian rustom looks similar
What Pakistan did is intelligent by buying falcons drone from Italy with tot not like India which is operating israhell drone for so long but no tot.
Pakistan is manufacturing lots of avionics under license and have very good knowledge and knows how to acquire know how .

Tall claims !! Its good the so called UAV Buraq or chinese CH-3 armed with Burq or chinese AR-1 missile is working for the pakistani army against the insurgent but claiming Pakistan to be the first other than USA to develop, fly test and use these indigenous stuff is more influenced with the national pride rather than reality.

Lets see whether Pakistan have the capability to produce something about this magnitude.

1. Pakistan hasn’t cultivated a indigenous Engine programs.
2. Pakistan hasn’t made major break troughs in sensors programs.
3. Pakistan hasn’t made any break troughs in the Wind tunnel technology that is a crucial deciding feature in the designing of a UAV.

These are the basic technologies involved in the developing a credible UAV system. Even if the engines and sensor suite are imported the design phase itself is an extremely sophisticated process. Developing and installing the engines and sensor suite is an extremely cumbersome process.

Looking at the picture as a layman person I can very well see its just paint job of chinese CH-3.

 

[JamD]

Your story;s basis falls apart at GIDS. It is not a front for NESCOM even if they work closely at times. GIDS is a private venture of a gentleman who has done well(even if at times his designs refuse to fly).

There was "competition" so to say on the initial missile program(but now KRL is no longer an independent entity as such).. but lesser on the UAV systems. Just a combination of Enterprising former officers and other individuals who started the program to cater to a growing UAV requirement since the early 90's.

I understand.

 

[Thunder.Storm]

11 years !?

There are some reasons for this long duration which I cant explain here. Source from awc

Yes, please see my previous post. NESCOM is big, everything's NESCOM. AWC is indeed working on the shahpar-II still. Burraq is a parallel project running under NDC.


11 years? I am unaware of us working on the Burraq for 11 years. Drones, perhaps, Burraq, I'm not sure. Can you please clarify what you are saying?

Work on drones are actually started from 2000-2001 but normal uavs in awc there was a person means engineer head of department who was working on shehper to arm it but suddenly he and some other buddies left the project. And about burraq I saw the first design in 2004-03 it was very simple design and the burraq project was started by awc that time about ndc I don't know how they entered. If u don't understand the time line the I tell you that the awc is planning for air to air missile for 2 years but they even started yet now you can imagine their speed. Sorry for my bad English.

 

[knight11]

can't agree with you bro. You see J-7 was mig-21 copy and J-11 was licensed produced su-27, but each evolved into very different series from the original. You can't say that J-11B with chinese fuselage, chinese engines, chinese avionics, chinese weapon system is just a paint job of su-27. Resemblance of airframe doesn't mean that Burraq is exactly the same with CH-3.

Brother I agree with you that both J-7 and J-11B evolved from the parent systems with the time but my doubt is due to the capability and the industrial base of the country provided tremendous effort, fund, scientist and engineers pool, purchasing various IPR from Ukrainian companies and various inputs from the former Soviet organisation.

you are a good poster. thanks for your contribution regardless of some needless baiting, you have put an effort to put an argument against our claim that the Drone is indigenous and its secrecy

long story short, this weapon is working for us and we finally announced its first kill. although it has been long sited even in Baluchistan and there are unconfirmed accounts by BLA that it was used against them.

your assertion is that its not indigenous, we beg to disagree
you insist that its entire development and specifics shouldn't/ couldn't be secret and must be shared, again we disagree

so we meet a dead end there an there is no point ranting and bringing in irrelevant content for the sake of argument.

Dear Irfan Sir, I am just a common and new Poster. If you look at this tread from the very begining you will see how the discussion or the argument begins because one pakistani poster started claiming that Pakistan had acquired the capability next to USA in UCAV (design, development, manufacturing indegenously and using in battlefield) which I disagree period.

If not much information is available for Burraq (don't know reason for such secracy as a matter of fact its not any super weapon/technology) than there is no point of discussion. Other than that I always try to avoid to bring the irrelevnt content away from the discussion rather I was just answering to the series of quotes bieng fired on me when I doubt Burraq UCAV root designer.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Educate youself first and read the comment of your countrymen poster first. Don't give me the link show me the facts for supporting your claim for not having paint job. A country which cannot produce decent passenger car or to design a motorcycle is claiming to design, developed, and battle tested UAV.

Here comes another bharti fighter full of hatred and pakistan jealously
We are not manufacturing cars because that,s not the industry we need for our security and survival.A country which can make advanced nukes,missiles and fighter jets can definitely make a car.You toilet less animals are yet to make a decent drone and we can see your frustration here.Stop popping in this thread and better grab a bottle of water and go to your nearest railway track like most indians

 

[F.O.X]

As far as I know Burraq's Kills (unofficial) have already surpassed 50+ , including HVT's who were either killed or Injured ( later died of injuries) .

 

[knight11]

Here comes another bharti fighter full of hatred and pakistan jealously
We are not manufacturing cars because that,s not the industry we need for our security and survival.A country which can make advanced nukes,missiles and fighter jets can definitely make a car.You toilet less animals are yet to make a decent drone and we can see your frustration here.Stop popping in this thread and better grab a bottle of water and go to your nearest railway track like most indians

Don't talk insane Read the first line of the comment of mine which you are answering and you will get the answer. Writing all the bullshit is showing your frustration not mine. Talking senseless rubbish things is not a good answer rather you can argue that the capability exists with facts.

 

[SOHEIL]

Pardon me i didn't get your point?

 

[New Resolve]

This is a very cost effective way of hitting the deadbeats across the border in A-Stan. The payloads and range need to be increased though and for that you need Satellite Navigation, im sure the chinese will let us use beidou.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If not much information is available for Burraq (don't know reason for such secracy as a matter of fact its not any super weapon/technology) than there is no point of discussion. Other than that I always try to avoid to bring the irrelevnt content away from the discussion rather I was just answering to the series of quotes bieng fired on me when I doubt Burraq UCAV root designer.

difference of perspective thats all

this drone is a big deal for us .. so more secrecy.. when general secrecy is a norm.
on the outlook and publicly stated specs our drone seems to borrow from Italian & Chinese drone and this may or may not be correct.

the fact is, many private and government organisations and contractors that are experienced in this field were involved in this 15 years something project. we had no motivation to keep it under wraps if it was just a Chinese drone in a box for 15 years.. we dont expect or demand any recognition from outside the country and our own people wont even care about its origin so selling them a made up story wont do much good either.

by the way, thanks for rising above the typical flame posters and one liners

Ok ... for the fair judge , please show me the difference between burraq & CH-3 !

to be fair , above Iranian Indigenous drone has a lot borrowed from American drones .. dont you say?
don't be misguided by the outlook
unless if you think so low of us that it took us15 something years to assemble and announce a Chinese drone (as ours) then that's a totally different matter. if thats the case I have a look of your avatar

 

[Jango]

Your story;s basis falls apart at GIDS. It is not a front for NESCOM even if they work closely at times. GIDS is a private venture of a gentleman who has done well(even if at times his designs refuse to fly).

There was "competition" so to say on the initial missile program(but now KRL is no longer an independent entity as such).. but lesser on the UAV systems. Just a combination of Enterprising former officers and other individuals who started the program to cater to a growing UAV requirement since the early 90's.

Working closely at times means that you have to have everything you do approved by a sitting star officer at NESCOM?

Or have some other stuff approved by an Air Commodore?

It started out as a private venture (not privy to it's roots), but at the moment, it is very much a part of NESCOM.

 

[SOHEIL]

to be fair , above Iranian Indigenous drone has a lot borrowed from American drones .. dont you say?
don't be misguided by the outlook
unless if you think so low of us that it took us15 something years to assemble and announce a Chinese drone (as ours) then that's a totally different matter. if thats the case I have a look of your avatar

Having similarities is another story !

But CH-3 & Burraq are 100% the same !

As i said ... we have to take a look inside ...

Pakistani members have the same idea about our cruise missiles ... nothing wrong with that !

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Having similarities is another story !

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But CH-3 & Burraq are 100% the same !

As i said ... we have to take a look inside ...

Pakistani members have the same idea about our cruise missiles ... nothing wrong with that !

Buraq is not a cruise missile. its a bird that kills taliban
dont look inside.. its only full of rage against the wahabi funded terrorists.

why you want to look inside when you have already declared its 100% the same?
which means you are telling us that we are so bad that it took us decades to assemple or fly a Chinese drone? now that really hurts ;(