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Pakistani Talibans set up base in syria

At any rate, The Assad regime is doomed.

I'm not sure.not until air force is grounded by western intervention or russia stops ammo and fuel supply.
Till then iran will make up for any manpower shortage.
 
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I'm not sure.not until air force is grounded by western intervention or russia stops ammo and fuel supply.
Till then iran will make up for any manpower shortage.

The continuation of war costs an arm and leg, neither Iran or Syria can afford to continue this fight. The Russians want to make profit out of this conflict, they should have accepted the Saudi-$10-billion arms package.
 
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The continuation of wars costs an arm and leg, neither Iran or Syria can afford to continue this fight. The Russians want to make profit out of this conflict, they should have accepted the Saudi-$10-billion arms package.

Its fuel and ammo thats really costly,but iran and russia have no problems with fuel..they are abundant producers.
Russia supplies the large calibre sophisticated ammo,iran can easily make cheap small arms and arty ammo.
And iran has huge amounts of manpower just lying around...so i'm not totally convinced.
Till russia backs syria,its very difficult unless west intervene directly.
Don't know what happened to regional power turkey,they shot down their jet and they did nothing.....probably russia being a neighbour was a factor.
 
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@AUSTERLITZ

Don't know what happened to regional power turkey,they shot down their jet and they did nothing.....probably russia being a neighbour was a factor.

It was a solitary incident, what would you have done in Turkey's place? Turkey and Syria share a very long border, and unlike the border with Israel it is not very well secured. One plane is a small price to pay for stability, and in the ME you can never know what result will your intervention bring.

I share your conclusion that this fight is long from over. I believe that when battling guerrilla fighters it is the spirit of the fighters that determines the outcome. The USA never lost militarily in Vietnam, they just got tiered of fighting, similarly USSR in Afghanistan, etc. But for Assad there is no safely leaving the conflict like the previous example. Should he loose or give up the Alawites will be slaughtered, possible followed by Shia in Lebanon. They are cornered in a way, which is why they will keep on fighting.
 
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Pakistan Taliban set up camps in Syria, join anti-Assad war - DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD/PESHAWAR: The Pakistani Taliban have set up camps and sent hundreds of men to Syria to fight alongside rebels opposed to President Bashar al-Assad, militants said on Sunday, in a strategy aimed at cementing ties with al Qaeda's central leadership.

More than two years since the start of the anti-Assad rebellion, Syria has become a magnet for foreign Sunni fighters who have flocked to the Middle Eastern nation to join what they see as a holy war against Shia oppressors.

Operating alongside militant groups such as the al Nusra Front, described by the United States as a branch of al Qaeda, they mainly come from nearby countries such as Libya and Tunisia driven by similar conflict as a result of the Arab Spring.

On Sunday, Taliban commanders in Pakistan said they had also decided to join the cause, saying hundreds of fighters had gone to Syria to fight alongside their “Mujahedeen friends”.

“When our brothers needed our help, we sent hundreds of fighters along with our Arab friends,” one senior commander told Reuters, adding that the group would soon issue videos of what he described as their victories in Syria.

The announcement further complicates the picture on the ground in Syria, where rivalries have already been on the boil between the Free Syrian Army and the Islamists.

Islamists operate a smaller, more effective force which now controls most of the rebel-held parts of northern Syria.

Tensions erupted again on Thursday when an al-Qaeda linked militant group assassinated one of Free Syrian Army's top commanders after a dispute in the port city of Latakia.

It also comes at a time when Assad's forces, with backing from Shia fighters from Hezbollah and Iran, have been making gains on the Syrian battlefield.

Another Taliban commander in Pakistan, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said the decision to send fighters to Syria came at the request of “Arab friends”.

“Since our Arab brothers have come here for our support, we are bound to help them in their respective countries and that is what we did in Syria,” he told Reuters.

“We have established our own camps in Syria. Some of our people go and then return after spending some time fighting there.”

AL QAEDA LOYALTIES

Known as the Tehreek-e-Taliban, the Pakistani Taliban operate mainly from Pakistan's insurgency-plagued ethnic Pashtun areas along the Afghan border - a long-standing stronghold for militants including the Taliban and their al Qaeda allies.

Taliban militants in Pakistan, who are linked to their Afghan counterparts, are mainly fighting to topple Pakistan's government and to impose their radical version of Islam, targeting the military, security forces and civilians.

But they also enjoy close ties with al Qaeda and other jihahist groups who have, in turn, deployed their own fighters to Pakistan's volatile tribal region on the Afghan border known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, or FATA.

In the latest sign of this trend, at least two suspected foreign militants were killed in a drone attack in North Waziristan, local security officials said.

Ahmed Rashid, a prominent Pakistani author and expert on the Taliban, said sending Taliban fighters to Syria was likely to be appreciated as an act of loyalty towards their al Qaeda allies.

“The Pakistani Taliban have remained a sort surrogate of al Qaeda. We've got all these foreigners up there in FATA who are being looked after or trained by the Pakistani Taliban,” said Rashid, who is based in the Pakistani city of Lahore.

“They are acting like global jihadists, precisely with the agenda that al Qaeda has got. This is a way, I suppose, to cement relationships with the Syrian militant groups ... and to enlarge their sphere of influence.”
 
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The continuation of war costs an arm and leg, neither Iran or Syria can afford to continue this fight. The Russians want to make profit out of this conflict, they should have accepted the Saudi-$10-billion arms package.

Iran can fight against Irak superior fire power for about 8 years non stop, and why do you think Iran and Syria alliance cannot repeated that feat again?

@AUSTERLITZ



It was a solitary incident, what would you have done in Turkey's place? Turkey and Syria share a very long border, and unlike the border with Israel it is not very well secured. One plane is a small price to pay for stability, and in the ME you can never know what result will your intervention bring.

I share your conclusion that this fight is long from over. I believe that when battling guerrilla fighters it is the spirit of the fighters that determines the outcome. The USA never lost militarily in Vietnam, they just got tiered of fighting, similarly USSR in Afghanistan, etc. But for Assad there is no safely leaving the conflict like the previous example. Should he loose or give up the Alawites will be slaughtered, possible followed by Shia in Lebanon. They are cornered in a way, which is why they will keep on fighting.

Not only the Alevi, but Orthodox Christian, Jew populations, Sunni Arabs pro Assad, Scholar population will perish in the hands of those barbaric scums.
 
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Iran can fight against Irak superior fire power for about 8 years non stop, and why do you think Iran and Syria alliance cannot repeated that feat again?



Not only the Alevi, but Orthodox Christian, Jew populations, Sunni Arabs pro Assad, Scholar population will perish in the hands of those barbaric scums.

500 billion USD that costed, too expensive
 
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Iran can fight against Irak superior fire power for about 8 years non stop, and why do you think Iran and Syria alliance cannot repeated that feat again?

I understand what you're getting at. However, you need to understand that the Iran-Iraq war was one situation, and the current conflict is another situation.

500 billion USD that costed, too expensive

Half a trillion is too big budd. BTW, I might have forgotten to say Happy Ramadan to you.
 
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I share your conclusion that this fight is long from over. I believe that when battling guerrilla fighters it is the spirit of the fighters that determines the outcome. The USA never lost militarily in Vietnam, they just got tiered of fighting, similarly USSR in Afghanistan, etc. But for Assad there is no safely leaving the conflict like the previous example. Should he loose or give up the Alawites will be slaughtered, possible followed by Shia in Lebanon. They are cornered in a way, which is why they will keep on fighting.

I understand what you are trying to say. Spiritually, The guerrilla fighting tactics put your enemy in the twilight zone. One may succeeded to bring an end to the fight while the other continues to fight till the very end. However, I don't think it's fair to compare the USA military might or the USSR with the Assad's military and his allies. I believe fighting for one cause, hopes, and aspiration play a key role in this conflict. Personally, I don't think the Assad's regime can remain longer than a year, especially when Iran is broke, the Russians won't back Assad forever my friend, not financially or militarily.

Sometimes I find it hilarious when someone tells us " Oh Hezbollah defeated the Jews in 06 " So, yes asymmetric warfare needs courages more than patience sometimes.
 
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500 billion USD that costed, too expensive

Not to be spent in single finance year like the US did in Afghan and Irak, but you must think to include the damage of property, halted export, weapons transfer credit etc at the costs during those war in 80's.

I understand what you are trying to say. Spiritually, The guerrilla fighting tactics put your enemy in the twilight zone. One may succeeded to bring an end to the fight while the other continues to fight till the very end. However, I don't think it's fair to compare the USA military might or the USSR with the Assad's military and his allies. I believe fighting for one cause, hopes, and aspiration play a key role in this conflict. Personally, I don't think the Assad's regime can remain longer than a year, especially when Iran is broke, the Russians won't back Assad forever my friend, not financially or militarily.

Russia had a history to backed his key allies forever untill they won the war or losing it, Vietnam,Kuba, Angola and Afghan is the cases. And i think Russia this time will backed the Assad regime till they won or collapses to the ground whatever happened.
 
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I'm not quite sure about slaughtering the Alawites though, as I have seen many of them fighting within the FSA, they've also done a great job in the MSM - In Arabic -

Russia had a history to backed his key allies forever untill they won the war or losing it, Vietnam,Kuba, Angola and Afghan is the cases. And i think Russia this time will backed the Assad regime till they won or collapses to the ground whatever happened.

The Russians gave up their allies when they needed them the most. If you go back to history and examine every relation the Russians have had with their allies, you will understand why North Korea is what it is now.

Its fuel and ammo thats really costly,but iran and russia have no problems with fuel..they are abundant producers.
Russia supplies the large calibre sophisticated ammo,iran can easily make cheap small arms and arty ammo.
And iran has huge amounts of manpower just lying around...so i'm not totally convinced.
Till russia backs syria,its very difficult unless west intervene directly.
Don't know what happened to regional power turkey,they shot down their jet and they did nothing.....probably russia being a neighbour was a factor.

What do you mean by ammo and fuel? Are you serious? A war takes too much out of this. It's not about a sniper or a pilot, it's a whole doctrine of a combat.
 
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@madokafc : Hello ma'am ! :wave:

So has the 'Haze' died out in Indonesia, Singapore & Malaysia or are the forest fires still raging on in Java or Sumatra or wherever it was ? :what:

And did they find out whether it was the Singaporean companies who started the fire or not ? :undecided:
 
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I'm not quite sure about slaughtering the Alawites though, as I have seen many of them fighting within the FSA, they've also done a great job in the MSM - In Arabic -



The Russians gave up their allies when they needed them the most. If you go back to history and examine every relation the Russians have had with their allies, you will understand why North Korea is what it is now.

Please give me the examples when the Russian abandoned his allies (don't talk about Afghan, because you can see Russian/Sovyet still back them financially and militarily until the collapse of Sovyet Union), just show me the cases and don't mind if i told you about what happened in NK right now is partially (big parts though) the problems lies within in the Gov. of North Korea. Russia/Sovyet Union backed NK until the collapses of Sovyet Union, and because Chinese big parts to save the *** of North Korean regime during the war in '50s, NK always depends more from China than to the Sovyets.

If you talk about the Somalis during their great war against Ethiopian during 70's, the Sovyet didn't left them but it is the Somali's who left the Sovyets because they want to get more powerful weapons from the western in which they cannot obtained it at all and they must loose the war because Sovyets chose to backing the Ethiopian instead. If you want to talking about Egypt, it is Egypt who abandoned the Sovyets with Camp David Agreement. And you can ask about the loyalties of Sovyet or Russian to her allies/companion to Vietnam forumer member here. And ah yes the Cuban too, they must glad about the Sovyet presences all the times during invansion of Bay Pig. And oh, how about the US?

@madokafc : Hello ma'am ! :wave:

So has the 'Haze' died out in Indonesia, Singapore & Malaysia or are the forest fires still raging on in Java or Sumatra or wherever it was ? :what:

And did they find out whether it was the Singaporean companies who started the fire or not ? :undecided:

There is no problem again with haze in Indonesia, Singapore or Malay. FYI, the Haze never touch the Java, nor covered the whole of Sumatra islands.

For the perperator, it is still under investigation and we must patiently wait what really happened truly
 
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Aren't they already stretched thin enough? How did TTP reach Syria, I don't believe this.

next they will say 10,000 Pakistani army men are missing and reports are saying they set up base in syria
 
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1- Where were the Russians when the UN voted for a military intervention in Korea during the Korean War? Do you know that the USSR could have easily vetoed the intervention? Do you know that Stalin didn't supply the DPRK with most of the weapons the needed?

2- Why did the Soviet rejected Sadat's proposal to buy Aircrafts to build up their Air Force?

3- Why didn't the Soviet embrace political dialogue during the conflict that took place in the Sino-Russio boarders? Weren't the Soviet their GREAT ally? Why did the Soviet recommended launching an Airstrike against their nuclear facilities to their so-called sworn enemy " USA "?

4- Where were the Soviets when the North Korean children were starving to death in the early 90s?

5- Where were the Russians when Sadam Husien needed them the most during the Gulf war? Did you know that the Russians were bribed by some countries to block an arm sale to Iraq?


Please give me the examples when the Russian abandoned his allies (don't talk about Afghan, because you can see Russian/Sovyet still back them financially and militarily until the collapse of Sovyet Union), just show me the cases and don't mind if i told you about what happened in NK right now is partially (big parts though) the problems lies within in the Gov. of North Korea. Russia/Sovyet Union backed NK until the collapses of Sovyet Union, and because Chinese big parts to save the *** of North Korean regime during the war in '50s, NK always depends more from China than to the Sovyets.

If you talk about the Somalis during their great war against Ethiopian during 70's, the Sovyet didn't left them but it is the Somali's who left the Sovyets because they want to get more powerful weapons from the western in which they cannot obtained it at all and they must loose the war because Sovyets chose to backing the Ethiopian instead. If you want to talking about Egypt, it is Egypt who abandoned the Sovyets with Camp David Agreement. And you can ask about the loyalties of Sovyet or Russian to her allies/companion to Vietnam forumer member here. And ah yes the Cuban too, they must glad about the Sovyet presences all the times during invansion of Bay Pig. And oh, how about the US?
 
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