Pakistani Punjab and Former East punjab

[Manidabest]

there were may states ... Punjab, Hyderabad, Bengal, etc... Rajputana a region within a region of india

 

[Kabira]

I know everything about that. Tell me which specific DNA starts showing in Tamils or Naga people and ends at Pakistan-Iran border!

Onge tbh Onge extent to eastern region of Iran but completly absent in western iranians who make majority of Iran population. And onge also shows up in eastern Afghanistan. So this map is pretty accurate if we add eastern areas of Iran near Pak border and eastern Afghanistan.

 

[Kabira]

Haryanvis have developed their own culture and language over time due to association with Rajasthan. A Haryanvi Jat is the same genetic stock as a Pakistani or Indian Punjabi Jatt. Separation between people in the subcontinent is not as clear as a couple of posters on this thread believe or pretend to believe. People in the malwa region of Indian Punjab like Patiala speak Punjabi with some words similar to Haryanvi. As you go to Majha in Amritsar for example, language is identical to Lahore except for the religious overtones that we people like to use (Insha Allah vs Sat Sri Akal).

Now to the real question. Who has more soft power? I'd say that it is the Indian Punjabis partly because of the distinct identity of the Sikhs, Bhangra and most important use of Punjabi as a primary language. We identify as Punjabis first and Sikhs/Hindus second and then Indians outside of India.

Who has more actual power? I'd say Pakistani Punjabis because Pakistan is a Punjabi majority state with a powerful army with Punjabis in several important posts.



I'm sick of being told that and I'm Indian Punjabi lol don't blame you. You shoot yourself in the foot when you say you have 0% in common with Indians. Every Indian from a Tamil to a Punjabi has some DNA in common with every Pakistani from a Pathan to a Punjabi. However, degree of similarity is very far in a Tamil to identical in a Punjabi (with another Pakistani Punjabi).

I know Fawad and mahira were thrown out of bollywood but what happened with pak punjabi singers in east punjab?

 

[ZenBird]

I know Fawad and mahira were thrown out of bollywood but what happened with pak punjabi singers in east punjab?

Bro Pakistani singers mostly perform in Mumbai not in Punjab. Some Punjabi singers like Lohar perform in Punjab but I doubt they will be performing due to security concerns from recent confrontation. Also this is election year and Khalistanis have been showing up recently, also lots of tension between political parties so security must be already pretty occupied.

 

[ZenBird]

I know Fawad and mahira were thrown out of bollywood but what happened with pak punjabi singers in east punjab?

Is there any good Punjabi music coming out of Pakistan recently? Indian Punjabi music is crap nowadays and its just kids singing crappy lyrics about daru, panga or kudian.

 

[Kabira]

Is there any good Punjabi music coming out of Pakistan recently? Indian Punjabi music is crap nowadays and its just kids singing crappy lyrics about daru, panga or kudian.

Coke studio mostly have punjabi songs. Apart from that I don't keep up with punjabi music but many singers keep releasing punjabi songs in Pakistan. Like this one released last week.

 

[Kyoto]

Okay. So at least 95% of indians have no racial or genetic connections to Pakistan. Comparing indian Punjab to Pakistani Punjab is a non-starter. Since 1947, the demographics, social upheavals and economic factors have completely changed the face of Pakistani Punjab. So much so that it is no longer recognisable to what it was in August 1947. Especially due to the interactions of Pakistani Punjab with the Western and Northern regions of Pakistan whose people have their origins from Central Asia, Afghanistan and Iran. So comparing indian Punjab to Pakistani Punjab is as ridiculous as comparing indian Punjab to Jordan, Lebanon, Iran or Turkey.

Lol Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis are similar to other North Indian groups theres no point denying it. Im Pakistani but its quite sad how many of us try to distance ourselves from Indian ancestry. A lot of Pakistani Punjabis are from Pashtun and Kashmiri descent though.

I didnt know Haryana and other states comprised East Punjab as well though. They and Delhiites look quite similar to Pakistani Punjabis.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis are similar to other North Indian groups theres no point denying it. Im Pakistani but its quite sad how many of us try to distance ourselves from Indian ancestry. A lot of Pakistani Punjabis are from Pashtun and Kashmiri descent though.

I didnt know Haryana and other states comprised East Punjab as well though. They and Delhiites look quite similar to Pakistani Punjabis.

So Pakistanis being racially related to at most 2.5% of indians is proof of indianess....lol ......So what about Pakistani Baloch and Pathan who make up at least 30% of Pakistan's population? They are related to at least 20% of Iranians/ Persians. According to your rational we are Iranian then.......

 

[ZenBird]

Lol Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis are similar to other North Indian groups theres no point denying it. Im Pakistani but its quite sad how many of us try to distance ourselves from Indian ancestry. A lot of Pakistani Punjabis are from Pashtun and Kashmiri descent though.

I didnt know Haryana and other states comprised East Punjab as well though. They and Delhiites look quite similar to Pakistani Punjabis.

Delhi is full of Punjabis, no wonder they look similar. A lot of them are refugees from Pakistan (lots of Peshwaris and people from Rawalpindi for some reason). Haryanvis are also genetically identical to Punjabis they might even be Punjabis who've adopted a different dialect due to cultural influences. Himachal and Kashmiri people also have similar DNA.

That's where the identicalness ends though and things start getting murkier. Even Rajasthanis have a more South Indian component than Punjabis, people from Bihar/UP have a much higher S Indian component and are missing Caucasian and NE European component found in most Punjabis and the difference keeps increasing as you go South. Also culturally other regions are very different than Punjabis.

most 2.5%

It's not 2.5% if you take in account the vast Punjabi population settled out of Punjab, Haryanvis and Himachalis. I'd at least double that number.

BTW ki ferrak painda hai? You guys are an Islamic country and over time your culture is going to diverge for better or worse. You already don't speak Punjabi as your first language and it's not accorded first class status in schools. Thank you for keeping Sikh Gurdwaras/history intact though, hope that never changes. The Sikh community is grateful for that.

I don't keep up with punjabi music

Aww this makes me sad Are you Punjabi?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I tell you guy's this component is deadly. Even in trace amounts it wrecks the individual. High amounts of course are rampant in South India - less said the better. African's bring something to the genetic table - physical lean bodies but the South Indian has nothing redeaming about it. I have observed Pakistani Christians who display those features and I strongly suspect many are migrants from Deccan during British times. Their souls might be Christian but South India is writ on their faces.

Thanks god for the Radclife Line !


Ps. Are you Sikh?

I LOVE this post!!!............lol....lol....... .

 

[ZenBird]

I LOVE this post............lol....lol....... .

I had the same reaction but then people are going to get their underwear in a twist and start calling me Khalistani terrorist.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Delhi is full of Punjabis, no wonder they look similar. A lot of them are refugees from Pakistan (lots of Peshwaris and people from Rawalpindi for some reason). Haryanvis are also genetically identical to Punjabis they might even be Punjabis who've adopted a different dialect due to cultural influences. Himachal and Kashmiri people also have similar DNA.

That's where the identicalness ends though and things start getting murkier. Even Rajasthanis have a more South Indian component than Punjabis, people from Bihar/UP have a much higher S Indian component and are missing Caucasian and NE European component found in most Punjabis and the difference keeps increasing as you go South. Also culturally other regions are very different than Punjabis.



It's not 2.5% if you take in account the vast Punjabi population settled out of Punjab, Haryanvis and Himachalis. I'd at least double that number.

BTW ki ferrak painda hai? You guys are an Islamic country and over time your culture is going to diverge for better or worse. You already don't speak Punjabi as your first language and it's not accorded first class status in schools. Thank you for keeping Sikh Gurdwaras/history intact though, hope that never changes. The Sikh community is grateful for that.



Aww this makes me sad Are you Punjabi?

Okay, let's be extra generous and say 4-5%. That's still a very small minority considering the fact that a large proportion of Pakistanis have a direct racial lineage to around 30-40% of Iranians/Persians. It doesn't make us Iraniasn/Persians anymore than it does make us indians.

 

[Hold up]

people from Bihar/UP have a much higher S Indian component

I don't know who gave u the authority to talk about us. I don't know about you hindoos but Bihari, UP and West Bengal, Western Bangaladesh Muslims are one racial group and look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to hindoos. South Indian Muslims are of course racially different to tamils, telughus and kannads.

 

[ZenBird]

I don't know who gave u the authority to talk about us. I don't know about you hindoos but Bihari, UP and West Bengal, Western Bangaladesh Muslims are one racial group and look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to hindoos. South Indian Muslims are of course racially different to tamils, telughus and kannads.

I don't need your authority to do shit, shoo. They look different because even though they have a high South Indian component it's not as high as an actual South Indian. And I'm not a Hindooooo

 

[Kyoto]

So Pakistanis being racially related to at most 2.5% of indians is proof of indianess....lol ......So what about Pakistani Baloch and Pathan who make up at least 30% of Pakistan's population? They are related to at least 20% of Iranians/ Persians. According to your rational we are Iranian then.......

Yeah Pashtuns and Balochis are mostly Persian/Middle Eastern but Sindhis, Punjabis and even to some extent Kashmiris are related quite strongly to modern North India. I feel like you have some superiority complex towards South Indians. Im not saying we are 'Indian' because India was never a country before 1947 but the majority of Pakistanis and a large minority of Indians do share a lot of culture.

Pakistani ethnic groups are no doubt more Central Asian and Middle Eastern but most of us are ancestrally rooted in South Asia although I dont know if Afghanistan was counted as South Asia.