Pakistani OHP ship Status

[T-123456]

Pakistan only needs a compact well trained well armed modern Navy,the focus should be on second strike capablity.
Just like the Israeli's with their Dolphin class subs,Pakistan needs comparable subs(4).

 

[Penguin]

Viraat was laid down in 1953, it was commissioned in 1959
But its a 28000 Ton Air Defence Ship/ Carrier and has undergone Modernization upgrades in 1986, 1999 and 2007. Also Carriers tend to have service life of 50 yrs, Viraat has crossed that limit because its replacement Vikrant will only be ready in 2018.

Typically Frigates are suposed to have life of 30 yrs , Destroyers 35 yrs

As far As Jalashwa is concerned, well its a 17000 ton LPD, and as such will serve till its 50

I don't care, it is irrelevant, the original (flawed) statement was : "While the oldest Principle Surface Combat is "

While the Rajput class was built later, the first Kashin destroyer (which is the design of the Rajput) dates from 1962. Of 25 russian built hips built only 6 survive, 1 in the Russian navy and 5 in the IN.

 

[rockstar08]

limited funds , needs $$$ to buy new ships . I hope to see 2 more f-22p by the end of 2016 , and i also wish that PN accquire chinese type 54A destroyers on 10 years lease . alone with 6 f-22p , there are news that PN will get his remaining OHP's in 2 years so it might be 3-4 according to PDF , and 2 Chinese 54A destroyer , even than if we retire our 3-4 type 21 Frigates and let 2 remain in service for more 4-5 years , we can have a force like this .... n 2016

5-6 F22p
3-4 OHPs with genesis upgrade
3 Type 21 frigates
2 Type 54A Destroyers ( 10 year lease )

you can add FAC and Patrol crafts , because i dont know exact numbers

any senior member can tell me that we are making more F-22p or PNS Aslat was last ?!

 

[Penguin]

Tariq class ships date from 1974-1977 in terms of when first commissioned. OHPs currently about to be decommed and transferred to foreign navies date from 1983-1989 i.e. are about 10 years younger than Tariq class. Which makes them attractive interim units..

I'ld move from 4 to 8 to 12 F22P and derivative units, while using OHPs as interim units as Tariq/Amazon ships retire. Essentially, only 6 OHPs are max required. Fleets expansion is by new builds. I would prefer home-built versions to additional ships built in China. Which might required the last four of 12 F22P to be stretched AAW oriented versions.

 

[Donatello]

Tariq class ships date from 1974-1977 in terms of when first commissioned. OHPs currently about to be decommed and transferred to foreign navies date from 1983-1989 i.e. are about 10 years younger than Tariq class. Which makes them attractive interim units..

I'ld move from 4 to 8 to 12 F22P and derivative units, while using OHPs as interim units as Tariq/Amazon ships retire. Essentially, only 6 OHPs are max required. Fleets expansion is by new builds. I would prefer home-built versions to additional ships built in China. Which might required the last four of 12 F22P to be stretched AAW oriented versions.

I think Pakistan should look more towards a potent sub-surface fleet than surface. Pakistan's main aim is area denial.

 

[Nishan_101]

Source: Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better for the USN to refurbished about 50 OHPs out the 71 and take back some from users and deploy them in African cost by Training Africans so that they can easily keep an eye on the coastal activities. Moreover, Auxiliary tankers and support ships can be transferred along with US Coast guard equipment like small boats and ships.

 

[Mighty Caty]

Source: Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better for the USN to refurbished about 50 OHPs out the 71 and take back some from users and deploy them in African cost by Training Africans so that they can easily keep an eye on the coastal activities. Moreover, Auxiliary tankers and support ships can be transferred along with US Coast guard equipment like small boats and ships.

I don't think US have more than 20 OHP hull in service.

 

[Nishan_101]

I don't think US have more than 20 OHP hull in service.

I mean to day that they can get back from other countries. But honestly better option is that the US and other NATO countries should send their 30+ years old Military and commercial vessels to Pakistan and Turkey to scrapped with US officials being on the scrap watch in both countries.

Pakistan should develop a better ship breaking industry like in HUB city with 5 Meda Dry docks on land where ships can be brought in and turn in scrap.

 

[Penguin]

I think Pakistan should look more towards a potent sub-surface fleet than surface. Pakistan's main aim is area denial.

Sea denial, you mean (as opposed to sea control).

 

[Penguin]

Source: Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better for the USN to refurbished about 50 OHPs out the 71 and take back some from users and deploy them in African cost by Training Africans so that they can easily keep an eye on the coastal activities. Moreover, Auxiliary tankers and support ships can be transferred along with US Coast guard equipment like small boats and ships.

Fifty-five ships were built in the United States: 51 for the United States Navy and four for the Royal Australian Navy(RAN). In addition, eight were built in the Republic of China (Taiwan), six inSpain, and two in Australia for their navies.

51+4+8+6+2 equals 71.

HOWEVER, while Spain and Taiwan continue to use all their hulls, Australia decommed 2 of their total of 6 and US decommed 38 of their total of 51, with more awaiting decommissioning soon. Of these 38 decommed USN ships, 3 were scrapped, 2 were sunk as artificial reef, and 17 were transferred to a non-US navy. These non-US navies are not about to return anything to the US that is now their property. In short, with 25 ships of 38 decommissioned ships permanently out of the picture, what you are proposing is unfeasible.

 

[Nishan_101]

Fifty-five ships were built in the United States: 51 for the United States Navy and four for the Royal Australian Navy(RAN). In addition, eight were built in the Republic of China (Taiwan), six inSpain, and two in Australia for their navies.

51+4+8+6+2 equals 71.

HOWEVER, while Spain and Taiwan continue to use all their hulls, Australia decommed 2 of their total of 6 and US decommed 38 of their total of 51, with more awaiting decommissioning soon. Of these 38 decommed USN ships, 3 were scrapped, 2 were sunk as artificial reef, and 17 were transferred to a non-US navy. These non-US navies are not about to return anything to the US that is now their property. In short, with 25 ships of 38 decommissioned ships permanently out of the picture, what you are proposing is unfeasible.

@Penguin I have asked the same thing year back, that is there any possibility that Pakistan can make a Permanent contract with all of the EU countries, Australia, Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan and also with US-Canada to get their old small and large marine vessels whether Military or Commercial to be scrapped in Pakistan.

While Pakistan would build a 5 Mega Dry Docks in Gidani, Hub with two way cranes installed that will be utilized in scrap process. So in this way we can make our own scrap work and make money.

Also same for Aeroplanes and Automotive things.

 

[fatman17]

Perrys for Pakistan: USS McInerney & the Alamgir Class
Mar 28, 2011 09:08 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff
USS McInerney, 2004
(click to view full)
On Feb 19/10, the US DSCA announced Pakistan’s official request to buy the Oliver Hazard Perry Class

frigate USS McInerney [FFG 8], plus refurbishment and anti-submarine improvements. That deal is now a contract, and is reportedly the first step in an 8-ship purchase.
In 2009, USS McInerney trialed

the naval MQ-8B Fire Scout helicopter UAV in counter-drug operations around the Caribbean, and became the first navy ship to use unmanned helicopters in a drug bust. It’s one member of a popular but declining ship class.

Pakistan’s Perrys: The Alamgir Class

FFG 7 in 1983
Perry class frigates serve beyond the USA in the navies of Australia, Egypt, Poland, Spain, Taiwan, and Turkey. Most of those ships retain their original missile launching systems, and Australia’s ships have just finished an expensive set of deep upgrades.

Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates do still serve with the US Navy, but American ships have had their bow-mounted Mk.13 launch systems for SM-1 Standard air defense and RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles removed. Those changes leave just torpedoes and a 76mm naval gun for offense, and the 20mm Phalanx CIWS as the ships’ main defensive weapon. In Pakistan’s case, fixed RGM-84 Harpoon missile launchers have been added, to give the ships naval combat capabilities.

Further reports indicate that McInerney’s refurbishments are aimed at mechanical remediation and improving its anti-submarine capability only, making the term “guided missile frigate” something of a misnomer for Pakistan’s new ships. Unless Pakistan undertakes additional approved work, its Alamgir Class will be anti-submarine frigates only, their weaponry outclassed by Pakistan’s new Chinese F-22P/ Zulfiquar Class multi-role frigates, and even its older British Type 21/ Tariq Class ships. On the other hand, the 8 planned ships will be filling an important coastal patrol and anti-submarine role, at a bargain price.

The US DSCA notes that over half of Afghanistan’s heroin is smuggled through Pakistan, using overland routes. After that, it has to get to world markets, and most of it is shipped by sea. As Somali pirates continue to expand their range across the Indian Ocean, Pakistan’s Navy will also find itself confronting them on a more regular basis.

Contracts and Key Events

Transfer ceremony
March 21/11: PNS Alamgir sails for Pakistan from Mayport, FL. The DSCA release confirms that the frigate has mounted sub-sonic RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, in addition to its 76mm gun and lightweight torpedo launchers. The PNS Alamgir will take 53 days to pass through the Panama Canal and sail to Pakistan. It will then join the Pakistan Navy Maritime Patrol mission as part of Coalition Maritime Forces counter-narcotics and counter-terror operations (CTF-150) as well as counter-piracy efforts around the Gulf of Aden, the Arabian Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea (CTF-151).

Beyond the $58.7 million of Foreign Military Financing funds used to refurbish the ship, an additional $6.5 million was spent on specialized training for Pakistan’s 240 sailors in the ship’s engineering, navigation and combat systems. US DSCA .

Jan 8/10: USN Capt. Edward Lundquist (Ret.) describes the overhaul process for Pakistan’s Alamgir, which has to be conducted in the USA as part of the deal. VSE Corporation is the prime contractor, with work performed at BAE Systems Southeast Division (formerly Atlantic Marine Florida) in Jacksonville, FL, and US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) in Washington, DC as the executing agency.

Most of the work was mechanical. All 4 diesels were removed and overhauled, along with air conditioning units and refrigeration. Fuel oil tanks and voids were cleaned, inspected, repaired and painted, all shafting was removed and renovated, and the controllable pitch propeller system was overhauled. Likewise, sea valves were removed and either repaired or replaced, and almost every pump was opened and inspected, resulting in an 80% overhaul rate there. Ventilators and fans went through a similar process, with a 50% overhaul rate.

Breakers, the NR3 switchboard, the windlass and boat davit all got inspections and overhauls. Completely new equipment includes a new navigation suite and bridge, the composite dome over the fully overhauled SQS-56 sonar, and a VIP cabin.

Meanwhile, VSE’s Ship Transfer Assistance Team (STAT) provides training that’s capped by a light off assessment, and at sea exercises modeled after those employed by the US Navy’s Afloat Training Group.

The crew of PNS Alamgir moved aboard in December 2010, and are being qualified in firefighting and damage control, PMS and 3-M, and trained to U.S. Navy PQS standards. Sea trials are expected in mid-late January 2011, with a goal of sailing PNS Alamgir away on Feb 11/10.

Aug 31/10: The frigate USS McInerney is slated for inactivation , and re-commissioned as PNS Alamgir.

April 20/10: Pakistan signs a contract to purchase and refurbish the USS McInerney. The purchase is free, but reported terms for the refurbishment vary from $64.77 – $78.0 million. The frigate is expected to be re-commissioned as PNS Alamgir on Aug 31/10, following refurbishments aimed at improving its anti-submarine capabilities.

Pakistan’s Defence Procurement Attache Captain Abdur Rehman reportedly inked the contract, and this is reportedly the first of a planned Pakistani fleet of 8 Perry Class frigates. Pakistan’s DAWN | India’s IANS | Russia’s RIA Novosti .

Feb 19/10: US DSCA announces [PDF] Pakistan’s official request for the initial ship, plus plus refurbishment, onboard spares, spare and repairs parts, support equipment, publications and technical data, and U.S. Government and contractor support.

The prime contractor is unknown at this time, but the estimated cost of the initial transfer plus refurbishment and support is $78 million. Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan.

Oct 18/08: Pakistan’s The Nation reports that President George W. Bush has approved the transfer of USS McInerney [FFG 8] to Pakistan. Cost is expected to be $65 million, and the ship is intended to monitor Pakistani territorial waters.

Categories: Asia - Central, Contracts - Intent, Surface Ships - Combat, USA

this article talks about a 8 ship deal....!!!

 

[Inception-06]

Perrys for Pakistan: USS McInerney & the Alamgir Class
Mar 28, 2011 09:08 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff
USS McInerney, 2004
(click to view full)
On Feb 19/10, the US DSCA announced Pakistan’s official request to buy the Oliver Hazard Perry Class

frigate USS McInerney [FFG 8], plus refurbishment and anti-submarine improvements. That deal is now a contract, and is reportedly the first step in an 8-ship purchase.
In 2009, USS McInerney trialed

the naval MQ-8B Fire Scout helicopter UAV in counter-drug operations around the Caribbean, and became the first navy ship to use unmanned helicopters in a drug bust. It’s one member of a popular but declining ship class.

Pakistan’s Perrys: The Alamgir Class

FFG 7 in 1983
Perry class frigates serve beyond the USA in the navies of Australia, Egypt, Poland, Spain, Taiwan, and Turkey. Most of those ships retain their original missile launching systems, and Australia’s ships have just finished an expensive set of deep upgrades.

Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates do still serve with the US Navy, but American ships have had their bow-mounted Mk.13 launch systems for SM-1 Standard air defense and RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles removed. Those changes leave just torpedoes and a 76mm naval gun for offense, and the 20mm Phalanx CIWS as the ships’ main defensive weapon. In Pakistan’s case, fixed RGM-84 Harpoon missile launchers have been added, to give the ships naval combat capabilities.

Further reports indicate that McInerney’s refurbishments are aimed at mechanical remediation and improving its anti-submarine capability only, making the term “guided missile frigate” something of a misnomer for Pakistan’s new ships. Unless Pakistan undertakes additional approved work, its Alamgir Class will be anti-submarine frigates only, their weaponry outclassed by Pakistan’s new Chinese F-22P/ Zulfiquar Class multi-role frigates, and even its older British Type 21/ Tariq Class ships. On the other hand, the 8 planned ships will be filling an important coastal patrol and anti-submarine role, at a bargain price.

The US DSCA notes that over half of Afghanistan’s heroin is smuggled through Pakistan, using overland routes. After that, it has to get to world markets, and most of it is shipped by sea. As Somali pirates continue to expand their range across the Indian Ocean, Pakistan’s Navy will also find itself confronting them on a more regular basis.

Contracts and Key Events

Transfer ceremony
March 21/11: PNS Alamgir sails for Pakistan from Mayport, FL. The DSCA release confirms that the frigate has mounted sub-sonic RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, in addition to its 76mm gun and lightweight torpedo launchers. The PNS Alamgir will take 53 days to pass through the Panama Canal and sail to Pakistan. It will then join the Pakistan Navy Maritime Patrol mission as part of Coalition Maritime Forces counter-narcotics and counter-terror operations (CTF-150) as well as counter-piracy efforts around the Gulf of Aden, the Arabian Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea (CTF-151).

Beyond the $58.7 million of Foreign Military Financing funds used to refurbish the ship, an additional $6.5 million was spent on specialized training for Pakistan’s 240 sailors in the ship’s engineering, navigation and combat systems. US DSCA .

Jan 8/10: USN Capt. Edward Lundquist (Ret.) describes the overhaul process for Pakistan’s Alamgir, which has to be conducted in the USA as part of the deal. VSE Corporation is the prime contractor, with work performed at BAE Systems Southeast Division (formerly Atlantic Marine Florida) in Jacksonville, FL, and US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) in Washington, DC as the executing agency.

Most of the work was mechanical. All 4 diesels were removed and overhauled, along with air conditioning units and refrigeration. Fuel oil tanks and voids were cleaned, inspected, repaired and painted, all shafting was removed and renovated, and the controllable pitch propeller system was overhauled. Likewise, sea valves were removed and either repaired or replaced, and almost every pump was opened and inspected, resulting in an 80% overhaul rate there. Ventilators and fans went through a similar process, with a 50% overhaul rate.

Breakers, the NR3 switchboard, the windlass and boat davit all got inspections and overhauls. Completely new equipment includes a new navigation suite and bridge, the composite dome over the fully overhauled SQS-56 sonar, and a VIP cabin.

Meanwhile, VSE’s Ship Transfer Assistance Team (STAT) provides training that’s capped by a light off assessment, and at sea exercises modeled after those employed by the US Navy’s Afloat Training Group.

The crew of PNS Alamgir moved aboard in December 2010, and are being qualified in firefighting and damage control, PMS and 3-M, and trained to U.S. Navy PQS standards. Sea trials are expected in mid-late January 2011, with a goal of sailing PNS Alamgir away on Feb 11/10.

Aug 31/10: The frigate USS McInerney is slated for inactivation , and re-commissioned as PNS Alamgir.

April 20/10: Pakistan signs a contract to purchase and refurbish the USS McInerney. The purchase is free, but reported terms for the refurbishment vary from $64.77 – $78.0 million. The frigate is expected to be re-commissioned as PNS Alamgir on Aug 31/10, following refurbishments aimed at improving its anti-submarine capabilities.

Pakistan’s Defence Procurement Attache Captain Abdur Rehman reportedly inked the contract, and this is reportedly the first of a planned Pakistani fleet of 8 Perry Class frigates. Pakistan’s DAWN | India’s IANS | Russia’s RIA Novosti .

Feb 19/10: US DSCA announces [PDF] Pakistan’s official request for the initial ship, plus plus refurbishment, onboard spares, spare and repairs parts, support equipment, publications and technical data, and U.S. Government and contractor support.

The prime contractor is unknown at this time, but the estimated cost of the initial transfer plus refurbishment and support is $78 million. Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any U.S. Government and contractor representatives to Pakistan.

Oct 18/08: Pakistan’s The Nation reports that President George W. Bush has approved the transfer of USS McInerney [FFG 8] to Pakistan. Cost is expected to be $65 million, and the ship is intended to monitor Pakistani territorial waters.

Categories: Asia - Central, Contracts - Intent, Surface Ships - Combat, USA

this article talks about a 8 ship deal....!!!

If it so than where are the other 7 what happen to them ?

 

[TOPGUN]

If it so than where are the other 7 what happen to them ?

Yet to come perhaps ...

 

[Nishan_101]

Yet to come perhaps ...

Asalam-O-Alikum @TOPGUN How are you Bro. I really respect you a lot because you are the person who have given me knowledge about this on the forum. I would really like to connect with you and wanted to become your friend. Kindly add me...

Also I would like to know is it better to buy or get free of cost these OHPs or build:
3000 Tons Frigates and 1100 FACs/Corvettes with Chinese help.