Pakistani Nationalists should study Chinese and Japanese governing systems

[etylo]

Lol.. I have seen enough people like pretend to have experience or dealing with others who just make up 0.0001 % of the reality. Japanese loyalty to country is different from their proud heritage of their culture. I think u are mixing up these 2. You ask how many Japanese now day will kamikazi for their Japan. Lol, virtually zero.

I think there are also some differences between the Chinese in WW II and present day, looks like he is speaking of Chinese more like in the past era WW II.

 

[Beast]

I think there are also some differences between the Chinese in WW II and present day, looks like he is speaking of Chinese more like in the past era WW II.

It's funny how he claim Japanese today are very loyal to their country and even ranking them number 1. lol...

He is mixing up between culture heritage and pledge to country. Japanese are one of the weakness in terms of sacrificing for Japan. The US castrate the Bushido spirit right after they occupied Japan. They know this Bushido and loyalty to country until the extend of giving up ones life for Japan is dangerous for US to govern post war II Japan. It needs to be eliminated.

 

[serenity]

There will still be few Japanese that are that radical. It is just much fewer than in the past. Even back in the past, many were sane enough to refuse or simply not do it.

But this is more because they are rich and wealthy nowadays compared to during WW2. As a country gets comfortable, their people also get soft. The attitudes however are still radical. They hold loyalty to a lesser degree than in the past in regards to that sort of stuff but more loyalty in another realm since they are wealthy. Their experts will want to stay and work for Japan. Many Chinese experts will go overseas for money and higher pay. Even if China itself nowadays is an amazing place to work. I have.

Literally more than a quarter of US AI industry is Chinese talent. Many right at the top of not just silicon value management and founding but also the engineers doing the hard work and not just the leader or being the face e.g. Lisa Su and that sort. Can you imagine Japanese in those numbers working for their main antagonist? Even if the pay is 20% higher they will not. Yes few would obviously but nowhere near the significant numbers of Chinese going overseas for higher pay. It is much better these days than in the distant past. Can and will be better still.

 

[lovenig]

It's funny how he claim Japanese today are very loyal to their country and even ranking them number 1. lol...

He is mixing up between culture heritage and pledge to country. Japanese are one of the weakness in terms of sacrificing for Japan. The US castrate the Bushido spirit right after they occupied Japan. They know this Bushido and loyalty to country until the extend of giving up ones life for Japan is dangerous for US to govern post war II Japan. It needs to be eliminated.

He is presumably a very old Chinese man living overseas who has some of the same wonderful fantasies about Japan that his peers have. He relates some irrelevant factors to the development of Japan. If Japan's GDP per capita is lower than Korea's this year, he will immediately make up a set of national myths for Korea. Japan was an industrialized country capable of building aircraft carriers, warplanes and battleships before World War II. It was not until the launch of our Fujian aircraft carrier this year that we surpassed Japan as the largest warship in Asian history in terms of displacement. Other so-called qualities are not important, many of them are just some common characteristics after industrialization and modernization. For example, a person living in an industrialized country is more punctual and trustworthy, more disciplined, which is the social development for the shaping and transformation of people. The most important thing for a late-developing country is to overcome the various problems encountered in development and to clear the obstacles. This requires a strong organizational capacity and sustainable policies, and a stable ruling party to keep doing it for a long time.

As for the question of communism or socialism in Pakistan, it is too early to talk about a political system or ideology after industrialization, since Pakistan will have difficulties in the short term to achieve stable capitalism, industrialization and modernization. China itself has spent a lot of time catching up on capitalism, which is the so-called primary stage of socialism for a long time. That Indian may not know that their own constitution also claims to be a socialist country, certainly one that combines the shortcomings of socialism and capitalism.

 

[Arsalan345]

Lol... What voice other than western sponsor fake voice which nothing but cause destructive. It funny hownu keep asking protest need to be made and voice need to be heard for what? When the country is going in right direction with improvement in technology , living standard and livelihood of all Chinese?

This is the typical total freedom which China will avoid at all cost. Look at the street of US and Europe. The price to paid for total freedom at your own safety expense is not something Chinese are looking to. You are trying to promote anti government action even things goes well.

Tell me why Europe are not allow to talk about Nazism? Isn't it part of freedom of speech? Allowing people to decide what idea is for them? If Europe has such restriction what makes China different to control speech to prevent hatre threat and subversive tactics by foreign agent.

In Pakistan, all Pakistanis can see the country is in falter. Of cos there is protest needed against current incompetent government who can't do much to avoid disaster.

US has been killing innocent for decades and all u can offer for Syrian or Iraqi is just a sorry. What a cheapshot u try to used to mask the atrocities your master. Can I wipe out your family and just offer a sorry and nothing done more to atone the sin or prevent such tragic from happen? You are in cahoots with the devil and try speak up for Satan. There shows your evil, you are not taking care of the interest of Pakistan it looking after your master uncle Sam.


These @Arsalan345 is nothing but agent for American. See how he keeps promote USA despite US has been killing innocent for decades with blood from Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria. It's disgusting there are such human being selling their soul for a few penny and work against their country.

it's my country, not your country. I have to remind you of this again and again. you can't force your ideas on Pakistani people. Well, look who is talking about Syria and Iraq! A country that threatens a tiny Taiwan each day hahaha A country who are giving special education to Muslims(violence tactics have been filmed and shown on Aljazeera). shame on you communist. You sold yourself to your master CCP. I mean violence and torture are tactics of the CCP. There is no other way to handle mad Chinese. You deserve CCP. You must worship CCP. This is your life, not ours. Our system is much better than the communist Chinese model. Our system will adapt to new changes in the system and we will continue to cooperate with the west. It's not the Chinese who decide what Pakistan wants, it's the Pakistanis. Truth hurts. look at you, talking about my family. I can talk about your family too but I can't use this type of language. Bye

 

[Beast]

it's my country, not your country. I have to remind you of this again and again. you can't force your ideas on Pakistani people. Well, look who is talking about Syria and Iraq! A country that threatens a tiny Taiwan each day hahaha A country who are giving special education to Muslims(violence tactics have been filmed and shown on Aljazeera). shame on you communist. You sold yourself to your master CCP. I mean violence and torture are tactics of the CCP. There is no other way to handle mad Chinese. You deserve CCP. You must worship CCP. This is your life, not ours. Our system is much better than the communist Chinese model. Our system will adapt to new changes in the system and we will continue to cooperate with the west. It's not the Chinese who decide what Pakistan wants, it's the Pakistanis. Truth hurts. look at you, talking about my family. I can talk about your family too but I can't use this type of language. Bye

I want to say and what can u do? Lol..

 

[Path-Finder]

This is just not true for everyone. You think we are that much more full of sense of being a good citizen but China at least is not quite as perfect as you say. We have our own weaknesses and corruption.

Japanese are much better. They are total hive mind creatures and almost all Japanese are perfect Empire Japan soldiers. Chinese are more often going to act for themselves as individuals and care little about their country.

The difference between our nations and the modern history of our nations is the governance. The Japanese enjoy incredible loyalty levels and dedication to improve their country. If we rate them at a 10, I would say Americans are 8 (pledge of allegiance and brainwashing of western narratives everyday everywhere and generally exhibit loyalty to their empire) and Chinese I would rate as 6 in loyalty. Indians would be 7. Islamic nations definitely higher on loyalty.

Corruption is rife all over the poorer countries and this includes China. It's just maybe not as bad as many other places but it's still present. The government addresses this though unlike most places on earth. China executes many corrupt leaders. Yes many don't get caught or get off the hook because they know others and they are not touchable for a while. But despite corruption being rife everywhere I do not see other nations imprisoning for life or executing corrupt people. China does a bit better on this regard by at least making some effort although not perfect.

Development is all in policy and understanding self and understanding the problem. The problem is easy to understand. The self is hard to admit. I think the east Asian characteristic you are referring to is less about how loyal we are (we are not, except Japanese) but much more to do with east Asian tendency to be realistic and less imaginative about delusions and fantasies. Fantasies and susceptibility to adopt fantasies into policy and systemic thinking is a south Asian problem. It is a ingrained thing. Look at how much more religious it is. Europeans rebelled against the church and stood up to bring the enlightenment.

I am not saying to not be spiritual or believe in greater things but to at least separate the material world and the beliefs. Indians do this on another level altogether and they belief WILD shit and import fantasy into decision making and understanding of self and understanding problem (or enemy). It is filled with delusion and inaccurate understanding of real world at every level.

We are generalizing a lot but these things are generally true. Without understanding an engineering problem, how can one really start working on solving it? The indians are like making up their own version of the question and then telling themselves they have solved their society's problems.

you wrote all that nonsense, I'll save you time AND give you a historically correct FACT.


How the F did an island nation from northern europe called Britain colonies a huge chunk of land?


it was ALL made possible because yadri de locals were willing to be slaves to a new breed of masters!

for as long as people's DNA is polluted with corruption which enslaved them at the hands of foreign invaders then you have nothing left to say.

 

[EternalMortal]

The abolition of provincial staffing will help strengthen the power of the central govt.

In order to further weaken the rights of local govts, I suggest that the capitals and major cities of each province be set up as municipalities directly under the Central Govt, and the central govt should uniformly distribute the financial budget. Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Faisalabad, Peshawar and Quetta are set as municipalities directly under the Central Govt.

The rest are divided into dozens of counties, which adopt the tax sharing system. The county level has the right to handle affairs, but most of the taxes must be handed over to the central govt. For example, VAT, consumption tax, tariff, income tax, securities transaction tax, etc. belong to the central govt, while business tax, property tax, personal income tax, vehicle tax, etc. belong to the local govt.

In this way, local govts will have too many affairs but have too little financial resources to challenge the authority of the central govt. The central govt has received most of the financial support and can concentrate on infrastructure construction and control the development of municipalities directly under the Central Govt.

Your last comment that Pakistan cannot simply copy others was correct and this comment shows why. As you said, since Pakistan is a multiethnic country, we simply can't handle our issues the way you have yours with your overwhelming Han majority.

In Pakistan our local gov actually needs MORE rights. For e.g. you mention that local govs should handle their own affairs but just give taxes to federal govt. Problem, is that our local govs actually don't have the power to handle their own affairs. We were moving towards it under PTI but no chance with PMLN or PPP.

Secondly, the problem for us isn't with local govs being rebellious. It's actually the political parties at the centre being corrupt & using their power to protect themselves from the law. Rebelliousness is limited to non-state ethnonationalists & at the end of the day that's due to lack of proper governance by said parties.

 

[MultaniGuy]

you wrote all that nonsense, I'll save you time AND give you a historically correct FACT.


How the F did an island nation from northern europe called Britain colonies a huge chunk of land?


it was ALL made possible because yadri de locals were willing to be slaves to a new breed of masters!

for as long as people's DNA is polluted with corruption which enslaved them at the hands of foreign invaders then you have nothing left to say.

The Marathas and the British were able to defeat the Mughals.

British were able to conquer South Asia because of their superior technology and military strategies.

 

[EternalMortal]

In late 1990s/early 2000's, Japanese were asked to review Pakistan's road and traffic structure and offer their advice on managing traffic, roads network and road infrastructure. The Japanese kept analyzing and finally made a report saying that the road management, traffic control and speed limits enforced in Isb/Rwp/Lhr are perfect for Pakistan roads, since the public might need a mental overhaul to learn a more robust, efficient and faster road and traffic system, which the public might not cope up and the rate of accidents will increase. The rickshaws and slow moving vintage taxis along with horse carts will need to disappear from roads. So let the traffic system continue as it is. And thats how they left it at.

Unless the public learns to adapt to new changes as well as are willing to sacrifice their laziness and rest to allow improvements in Pakistan, nothing will change really.

LOL more like they came up with good recommendations but were forced to give the goons a pat on the back so they could protect their izzat.

You can get the public to accept almost any change. It's not like the roads & traffic systems were always there nor were they implemented all at once.

 

[Arsalan345]

I want to say and what can u do? Lol..

You have already accepted in an earlier post that Chinese people aren't free. please stop this nonsense now. Your system isn't our system.

 

[Abid123]

You have India, a shining example

India a shining example?

 

[Path-Finder]

The Marathas and the British were able to defeat the Mughals.

British were able to conquer South Asia because of their superior technology and military strategies.

fittay munh technology da. if its bleeding technology then why didn't it win in Afghanistan?

is it really difficult for people to grasp a simple facts and realities of people colluding with foreign invaders and selling their future?

 

[EternalMortal]

This is just not true for everyone. You think we are that much more full of sense of being a good citizen but China at least is not quite as perfect as you say. We have our own weaknesses and corruption.

Japanese are much better. They are total hive mind creatures and almost all Japanese are perfect Empire Japan soldiers. Chinese are more often going to act for themselves as individuals and care little about their country.

The difference between our nations and the modern history of our nations is the governance. The Japanese enjoy incredible loyalty levels and dedication to improve their country. If we rate them at a 10, I would say Americans are 8 (pledge of allegiance and brainwashing of western narratives everyday everywhere and generally exhibit loyalty to their empire) and Chinese I would rate as 6 in loyalty. Indians would be 7. Islamic nations definitely higher on loyalty.

Corruption is rife all over the poorer countries and this includes China. It's just maybe not as bad as many other places but it's still present. The government addresses this though unlike most places on earth. China executes many corrupt leaders. Yes many don't get caught or get off the hook because they know others and they are not touchable for a while. But despite corruption being rife everywhere I do not see other nations imprisoning for life or executing corrupt people. China does a bit better on this regard by at least making some effort although not perfect.

Development is all in policy and understanding self and understanding the problem. The problem is easy to understand. The self is hard to admit. I think the east Asian characteristic you are referring to is less about how loyal we are (we are not, except Japanese) but much more to do with east Asian tendency to be realistic and less imaginative about delusions and fantasies. Fantasies and susceptibility to adopt fantasies into policy and systemic thinking is a south Asian problem. It is a ingrained thing. Look at how much more religious it is. Europeans rebelled against the church and stood up to bring the enlightenment.

I am not saying to not be spiritual or believe in greater things but to at least separate the material world and the beliefs. Indians do this on another level altogether and they belief WILD shit and import fantasy into decision making and understanding of self and understanding problem (or enemy). It is filled with delusion and inaccurate understanding of real world at every level.

We are generalizing a lot but these things are generally true. Without understanding an engineering problem, how can one really start working on solving it? The indians are like making up their own version of the question and then telling themselves they have solved their society's problems.

You can't separate material world & religion. They're intrinsically linked & separating them causes massive problems down the line. Just look at the west. I can guarantee you, China is going to have problems in the future as well.

Both Christianity & Hinduism don't make sense on any level hence why basing your governance on them leads to massive problems. We Muslims have never had that problem. We also don't have any beliefs that prevent us from carrying out scientific research.
At most, religion can cause sectarian division but how is that any different from political division? How does that prevent scientific advancement? Answer is that it doesn't. Or none of the western countries today would be as advanced as they are considering their religious bigotry.

At the end of the day it's a governance issue. It's as simple as that.

 

[MultaniGuy]

it's my country, not your country. I have to remind you of this again and again. you can't force your ideas on Pakistani people. Well, look who is talking about Syria and Iraq! A country that threatens a tiny Taiwan each day hahaha A country who are giving special education to Muslims(violence tactics have been filmed and shown on Aljazeera). shame on you communist. You sold yourself to your master CCP. I mean violence and torture are tactics of the CCP. There is no other way to handle mad Chinese. You deserve CCP. You must worship CCP. This is your life, not ours. Our system is much better than the communist Chinese model. Our system will adapt to new changes in the system and we will continue to cooperate with the west. It's not the Chinese who decide what Pakistan wants, it's the Pakistanis. Truth hurts. look at you, talking about my family. I can talk about your family too but I can't use this type of language. Bye

lol Indiot, you called India a shining example?

@waz,

this guys is no Pakistani. He is an Indiot.