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Which I'm guessing, given the trauma of choosing between the two would ultimately be, stopping the fight altogether.

Yes but then call it rules and regulations or compulsions, but its a reality that once we are in a another country, grow up there from childhood and join their force we are bound to follow the rules.
And in such a situation you have no choice. But i guess if you one has a choice in case both the fighting sides are justified in going for war, then one needs to avoid taking sides although i think it will risk that person.

So at the End well you have to pay the price for landing outside whether you like it or not.
Kinda tough very tough
 
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God Bless LT Naqvi
Well I am a Pakistani American and I am also in the U.S armed forces and guess what I have no problem following the Stars and Stripes and here are the reasons:
I can't remember the last time someone tried to kill my sister or brother because they were mohajir or punjabi or Pathan in America, I can't remember the last time there were bomb blasts here in the States inside any mosques during Ramada or any of our holidays. Bottom line: I have no problems putting a bullet in any bearded "so called brother of mine" if he kills women and children in the name of Allah. Muslims need to grow up and realize it takes hard work and personal courage to make a country work, lets be honest the mohjir tried to glue Pakistan together and its not working too well. So if the choice was between my family and some Taliban or a Pakistani exterimist willing to bring our buildings, I guess its two in the chest and one in the head to my beloved Muslim brother.....................Hooah
 
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God Bless LT Naqvi
Well I am a Pakistani American and I am also in the U.S armed forces and guess what I have no problem following the Stars and Stripes and here are the reasons:
I can't remember the last time someone tried to kill my sister or brother because they were mohajir or punjabi or Pathan in America, I can't remember the last time there were bomb blasts here in the States inside any mosques during Ramada or any of our holidays. Bottom line: I have no problems putting a bullet in any bearded "so called brother of mine" if he kills women and children in the name of Allah. Muslims need to grow up and realize it takes hard work and personal courage to make a country work, lets be honest the mohjir tried to glue Pakistan together and its not working too well. So if the choice was between my family and some Taliban or a Pakistani exterimist willing to bring our buildings, I guess its two in the chest and one in the head to my beloved Muslim brother.....................Hooah

What if you end up killing one hundred innocent Pakistani children on your way of killing a "bearded brother"?

Whose side would you take if tomorrow Bush declares a war on Pakistan?
Will you be part of the evil Zionist Bush war and kill innocent Pakistani villagers?
Do us a favor and remove Pakistani from your identity, if you're going to kill innocent Pakistani children for Bush then you dont have anything to do with being Pakistani, you're simply an American.
 
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What if you end up killing one hundred innocent Pakistani children on your way of killing a "bearded brother"?

Whose side would you take if tomorrow Bush declares a war on Pakistan?
Will you be part of the evil Zionist Bush war and kill innocent Pakistani villagers?
Do us a favor and remove Pakistani from your identity, if you're going to kill innocent Pakistani children for Bush then you dont have anything to do with being Pakistani, you're simply an American.

It amuses me greatly that your opinion comes whilst you are sitting in America.

You shouldn't ask the question of the soldier wearing a uniform plain for all to see but ask the "bearded brother" who is hiding behind the child.

Do yourself a favour and stop enjoying the fruits of being in the west and go back to your ToK and plough your corn field. Enjoy your poor education and healthcare and revel in the corruption.

Everyone loves a hypocrite.................
 
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God bless him.

The bottom line is he did what he thought was correct and gave his life for it. Rest is meaningless. Its people like him who make a nation strong.
 
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It amuses me greatly that your opinion comes whilst you are sitting in America.

You shouldn't ask the question of the soldier wearing a uniform plain for all to see but ask the "bearded brother" who is hiding behind the child.

Do yourself a favour and stop enjoying the fruits of being in the west and go back to your ToK and plough your corn field. Enjoy your poor education and healthcare and revel in the corruption.

Everyone loves a hypocrite.................

Even Americans themselves HATE Bush and HATE this war he has brought to the world. I dont hate Americans, I hate this war Bush has brought to the world.

Bush ordered his troops to perform their special raid into Pakistan a few weeks ago. The American troops ONLY killed INNOCENT CIVILIANS, Women and Children. No Al Queda or Taliban was killed in their special raid. If this soldier supports this kind of crime, he's NOT Pakistani he could call himself American but no way is he Pakistani if he supports this crime on innocent Pakistani children.
 
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God Bless LT Naqvi
Well I am a Pakistani American and I am also in the U.S armed forces and guess what I have no problem following the Stars and Stripes and here are the reasons:
I can't remember the last time someone tried to kill my sister or brother because they were mohajir or punjabi or Pathan in America, I can't remember the last time there were bomb blasts here in the States inside any mosques during Ramada or any of our holidays. Bottom line: I have no problems putting a bullet in any bearded "so called brother of mine" if he kills women and children in the name of Allah. Muslims need to grow up and realize it takes hard work and personal courage to make a country work, lets be honest the mohjir tried to glue Pakistan together and its not working too well. So if the choice was between my family and some Taliban or a Pakistani exterimist willing to bring our buildings, I guess its two in the chest and one in the head to my beloved Muslim brother.....................Hooah

Dude I agree with what ya say as a member of of the British armed forces (Sunni for the idiots in the crowd) But
seriously ditch the Hooah crap its plain ole retarded :lol:
 
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Even Americans themselves HATE Bush and HATE this war he has brought to the world. I dont hate Americans, I hate this war Bush has brought to the world.

Bush ordered his troops to perform their special raid into Pakistan a few weeks ago. The American troops ONLY killed INNOCENT CIVILIANS, Women and Children. No Al Queda or Taliban was killed in their special raid. If this soldier supports this kind of crime, he's NOT Pakistani he could call himself American but no way is he Pakistani if he supports this crime on innocent Pakistani children.

Ahhh gotta love the ole backpedal......

Well let me explain something to you. As a soldier most of us don't go looking to commit massacres. one of my friends was quite upset when he saw (on TV) a village he had patrolled (and gotten to know the people) get destroyed. Taliban elements decided to shoot at a patrol (Whilst hiding in the village) who then called in support which destroyed the small village. If someone hides in a innocent civilians house causing it to be bombed who's fault is that?

A lot of my family are in Pakistan. And frankly I would go to Afghan to prevent fools like the Taliban from having any effect upon them. I would like the female members of my extended family to have a education. I don't want to see morons running a legal system which involves using football fields as execution grounds. Where CHILD MORTALITY is high because all the educated people left and there are no female doctors. Do you object when These heroes kill innocent civilians (including children)with their suicide bomb attacks on large crowds?
If you support this kind of "soldier" then maybe you should go and live in the paradise that is Afghanistan.
 
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Again, it is not about 'killing Muslims' or 'killing Pakistanis' or 'Killing Americans', it is about going to war against those who would kill, maim and threaten innocents.

Nonetheless, that the US is a democracy does not automatically mean that its actions are infallible, nor does it mean that when it goes to war those wars are just, and not just a means to further national interests.

A large part of the Muslim world views US foreign policies as being morally bankrupt It sees the wars of the last decade as unjust, and in Pakistan especially, the US campaign in Afghanistan is seen as propping up warlords and criminals, inflicting tremendous casualties on civilians and an attempt to undermine Pakistan while building up India.

I think those views about US policies need to be taken into account when trying to understand why some people have been critical of LT Naqvi. A very loose analogy would be trying to expect non-Germans to have sympathy for Nazi officers, or those who collaborated with the Nazi's, under orders perhaps from their governments.

I am not suggesting that US policies come anywhere close to the Nazi's, but I do think that one needs to look beyond the position that US policies and actions are axiomatically true - they are viewed as quite the opposite by a large number of people in the world, and not just Muslims.
 
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Ahhh gotta love the ole backpedal......

Well let me explain something to you. As a soldier most of us don't go looking to commit massacres. one of my friends was quite upset when he saw (on TV) a village he had patrolled (and gotten to know the people) get destroyed. Taliban elements decided to shoot at a patrol (Whilst hiding in the village) who then called in support which destroyed the small village. If someone hides in a innocent civilians house causing it to be bombed who's fault is that?

A lot of my family are in Pakistan. And frankly I would go to Afghan to prevent fools like the Taliban from having any effect upon them. I would like the female members of my extended family to have a education. I don't want to see morons running a legal system which involves using football fields as execution grounds. Where CHILD MORTALITY is high because all the educated people left and there are no female doctors. Do you object when These heroes kill innocent civilians (including children)with their suicide bomb attacks on large crowds?
If you support this kind of "soldier" then maybe you should go and live in the paradise that is Afghanistan.

So you're justifying killing innocent men, women, and children?

When did human life become so valueless?

What is the difference between those U.S troops who murdered innocent children and taliban who murdered innocent children? Both are killers.

More innocent Pakistanis have lost their lives in just this one year than the number of American lives lost on 9/11. Is a Pakistani life that useless, that valueless?

Great effort trying to justify Bush's evil war OF terror.
 
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Lt. Naqvi served with honor and distinction. He did what he thought was right and honorable; his service to country is appreciated and honored, what difference does it make if some, who have never served, never made a commitment such as the one Shaheed Lt. Naqvi made, today challenege what Lt. Naqvi thought was right for him.

Those who even in death wish to denigrate the free will and choice of others demonstrate what they have in mind for the living whose choices, such people cannot tolerate.
 
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So you're justifying killing innocent men, women, and children?

When did human life become so valueless?

What is the difference between those U.S troops who murdered innocent children and taliban who murder innocent children? Both are killers.

More innocent Pakistanis have lost their lives in just this one year than the number of American lives lost on 9/11. Is a Pakistani life that useless, that valueless?

Great effort trying to justify Bush's evil war OF terror.

And this is precisely where the two sides are talking past each other.

The underlying opinions and sentiment about US policies are utterly polarizing and divergent.
 
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Ok I wouldn't ask what would you guys do, since there is no good answer for it. But I personally would be torn apart, should such a situation arrive.

It's a tough one. I'm not a UAE national, but if I'm ever asked to go against the UAE, I'd have a tough time myself! Given that I call the UAE home and I've practically grown up from the cradle and there is a sense of pride with all that it has achieved.

Of course I won't ever goto war with Pakistan for the UAE as well.

Wouldn't one would ask if the battle between the two countries is justifiable. If it is, then one should decided which country is justified. Then the decision becomes more clearer to oneself to defend.

P.s. God bless the soldier.
 
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Again its one thing when the morality of the situation is backing you up... But...

I was thinking along the lines of lets say... You know that new CIA map of Pakistan? Let's say you're asked to make that happen. Let's say CIA decides that you look n talk like a Pakistan and sends you across the border to instigate trouble in Pakistan?

Or lets take something with a higher chance of happening. How about you're ordered to raid a Pakistani village? You know Pakistan is defending its sovereignty and thus your bosses decide first you need to destroy 2-3 Pak checkposts and kill all the Pakistani soldiers in it (The same Pak soldiers who are also fighting against the Taliban).
 
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Lt. Naqvi served with honor and distinction. He did what he thought was right and honorable; his service to country is appreciated and honored, what difference does it make if some, who have never served, never made a commitment such as the one Shaheed Lt. Naqvi made, today challenege what Lt. Naqvi thought was right for him.

Those who even in death wish to denigrate the free will and choice of others demonstrate what they have in mind for the living whose choices, such people cannot tolerate.

I have expressed my views about his sacrifice, but nonetheless I feel compelled to ask - is it reasonable to expect peoples from the times of WWII and from the nations affected by the Nazi onslaught to feel kindly towards those who served their German nation with courage and sacrificed in their nation's cause?

And I ask not from a rational, philosophical POV, but from the perspective of the common man.
 
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