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Pakistan was created on the basis of group nationalism and not religion

And just to clarify JI-Hind's stand on SIMI because afterall SIMI was a child of JI-Hind's ideology, here is an interview by its head. Note again that Deoband has no ideological or any other linkages with SIMI because of their completely different thought processes. Just quoting the part about SIMI, the rest of the interview can be read at the link.

Jamaat-e-Islami Hind: Ameer-e-Jamaat on Terrorism, SIMI & politics in India



Q: What do you feel about the charges about the banned Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) being behind these blasts? After all, at one time, the SIMI was the youth wing of the Jamaat-e Islami.

A: It should be clear that SIMI was never a wing of the Jamaat. Jamaat has its own wing, the SIO (formed in 1982). In 1992, the Iqdam-e-Ummat conference was organized by SIMI in Mumbai. There the SIMI activists used intemperate language. Then the Jamaat-e Islami Hind decided that henceforth no Jamaat representative would attend any SIMI meetings. This was done to emphasize the Jamaat's stand that the language used by Muslims must be proper and balanced. Prior to this, we had tried to make the SIMI realize that their immature approach was wrong, and under the circumstances it was unrealistic and impractical as well and not in accordance with the Islamic temperament.

However the ground reality is that even before the ban on the SIMI, its influence was rather limited. It was not the hugely influential movement that the media makes it out to be. Moreover as journalists such as Ajit Sahi of Tehelka have shown, no case of SIMI activists being involved in any illegal or disruptive acts has ever been proved in any court. If SIMI was really wedded to terrorism, as is being alleged, then why is it that when it was not banned it did not engage in such activities, and that after the ban, when its wings were clipped, its offices sealed, many of its activists arrested and others who had been associated with it closely watched by intelligence agencies, it was allegedly able to mastermind all these deadly blasts across the country? This question must be asked, but, of course, the media is not asking it.

Q: But surely the SIMI's radical rhetoric was inflammatory and pernicious. Its call for armed jihad, its visceral hatred for and opposition to democracy, secularism and the concept of the nation-state and its appeal for establishing a Caliphate in India naturally made it seen by many Indians, including Muslims, as very dangerous. In this sense, it was akin to some extreme radical Islamist groups in the Arab world. What do you have to say about this sort of approach?

A: Any immature approach is of course wrong and completely impractical and, moreover, it is counter-productive. However, you must realize that much of the SIMI's rhetoric was limited to raising slogans. Islamic movements across the world have increasingly begun to avoid empty rhetoric. They know that any immature action leads to harsh suppression. Islamic movements in various countries are clearly realizing that the only practical avenue before them is through peaceful mass movements which could engage in democratic politics and in elections to present their agenda and win public support. Well-known Islamic parties such as the Jamaat-e Islami of Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Ikhwan ul-Muslimin in Egypt, the Refah Party in Turkey and so on are routinely taking part in elections and seeking peaceful means to come to power. They de facto recognize the existing secular and democratic Constitutions, even though they may not be Islamic Constitutions. Seeking to gain public acceptance and support by participating in elections and using peaceful means is their method.

Q: So, are you suggesting that the radical approach of extremist groups such as Hizb ut Tahrir in the Arab world and Central Asia or the SIMI, which aimed to capture political power through violence to establish what they call an Islamic state, is wrong?

A: To shun peaceful mass movement and adopt coercion is entirely impractical and counter-productive, as I earlier mentioned. As I said, only through peaceful means one may seek to bring about the desired change. However your perception that SIMI aimed to capture power through violence is entirely wrong. Participating in democratic elections is certainly one possibility before the Islamic parties. It is a different matter that when in some countries an Islamic party wins the elections the West (which otherwise keeps harping about democracy) makes sure that such a party does not actually come to power. The instances of Turkey and Algeria can be seen in this context. But even if this happens, there is no practical alternative to the peaceful movement method. After all, how long can the West succeed in denying Muslim masses the regimes that they democratically wish to elect?
 
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Qaid-e-Azam himself led a secular life. He never offered namaz, drank wine,ate pork, found specially tailored suits more comfortable than Salwar kameez.

Even his contemporary MK Gandhi must have known more ayats of Quran than Qaid-e-Azam.


Pity I would like to see a progressive and modern Pakistan which is secular and gives equal rights to the minorities.

Religion is a personal matter, I don't understand why Islam and Politics are intermixed with each other?

May agree with the above bold part but rest of your post is reflecting your lack of knowledge about Islam.
Islam is not just a spiritual practice where you pray 5 times a day and just read the Quran once in a while. Its a way of life and its obligatory for Muslims to rule their land according to the teachings of Quran and Prophet Mohammed PBUH.
You may wanna read this.
The Constitution of Medina (Arabic: صحیفة المدینه‎, Ṣaḥīfat al-Madīna), also known as the Charter of Medina, was drafted by the Islamic prophet Muhammad. It constituted a formal agreement between Muhammad and all of the significant tribes and families of Yathrib (later known as Medina), including Muslims, Jews, Christians[1] and pagans.[2][3] This constitution formed the basis of the future caliphate. The document was drawn up with the explicit concern of bringing to an end the bitter inter tribal fighting between the clans of the Aws (Aus) and Khazraj within Medina. To this effect it instituted a number of rights and responsibilities for the Muslim, Jewish, Christian and pagan communities of Medina bringing them within the fold of one community—the Ummah.[4]
And btw at least when I talk about ruling Pakistan according to Islamic principles i dont mean where Mullahs dictate their way of life on others these Mullahs are nothing but scum of the earth which even Prophet Mohammed PBUH talked about.
In order for this system to succeed Muslims need to educated them self about their own religion which they have slowly divorced from. Even those who pretend to be champions of Islam know nothing about this true religion.
Almost every single Muslim movement is directly or in-directly controlled by occult organizations who do not want to see united Muslim world. All these chaos in today's world is mentioned in Quran and by Prophet Mohammed PBUH and insallah it wont be long until the real Islam is restored again.
 
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^^ Any civilization belongs to people. Pakistan's geography is nothing more than an accident. It is about an idea, not the location.
 
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ISLAM IS NOT LIMITED TO SPIRITUALITY but also gives an Economic System, Law, Character Building, Science etc.
 
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can you please explain the bolded part?? :what:

Sure. I meant that Pakistan was demanded as a homeland for Muslims of India and it contained the parts that happened to have Muslim majority at that point.

Those parts could have been anywhere. It was an accident of history that the invaders came from the North West and most conversions happened there.
 
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Sure. I meant that Pakistan was demanded as a homeland for Muslims of India and it contained the parts that happened to have Muslim majority at that point.

Those parts could have been anywhere. It was an accident of history that the invaders came from the North West and most conversions happened there.

your birth was also an accident
 
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Sure. I meant that Pakistan was demanded as a homeland for Muslims of India and it contained the parts that happened to have Muslim majority at that point.

Those parts could have been anywhere. It was an accident of history that the invaders came from the North West and most conversions happened there.

Typical indian. Pakistan was created for Muslims of the subcontinent (not Muslims of india). Modern-day Republic of india was created in 1947. Pakistan was NOT created from india.
 
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Typical indian. Pakistan was created for Muslims of the subcontinent (not Muslims of india). Modern-day Republic of india was created in 1947. Pakistan was NOT created from india.

Yawn....

Check what your own Qaid said on the issue.
 
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Sure. I meant that Pakistan was demanded as a homeland for Muslims of India and it contained the parts that happened to have Muslim majority at that point.

Those parts could have been anywhere. It was an accident of history that the invaders came from the North West and most conversions happened there.

Well that does not prove it an accident. . If the invaders would have entered India from the Eastern Sea, East would have been Pakistan. . .
well instead of accident we call it the Blessing of God. . Thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the Universe
 
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They talk about what they think & "believe in", just like you had intelligence documents that claimed Iraq had WMDs.

And just because you summarily dismissed the NSA Archive documents, I had to make this as a seperate post. This is not political wrangling about what Pakistan did with the Taliban. The National Security Archives is an authentic collection of source reports by the US intellignce and diplomatic community.

This is how the Iraq WMDs myth were broken in the first place. The NSArchives were the solid proof that Bush administrations had lied about the war. They also were responsible for exposing the Bush torture policy as well.

Follow these links
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I: The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate


and the doucumentary based on the torture memos archives here
TORTURINGDEMOCRACY.ORG

So when they come out with memos about Pakistan's relationship with the Taliban they are pretty credible. As credible as their claims of Bush lying about the WMDs
Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?
 
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Yawn....

Check what your own Qaid said on the issue.

Yawn at yourself, and your typical indian lies.

When Qaid spoke about "Muslims of india" he meant Muslims of British-india. Dont forget before 1947 "india" was used as a geographic term for "south Asia" << nothing more than this. "india" was a name given by the British to describe geographic location of south Asia.

A united country known as "india" didnt exist untill 1947.

When Republic of india was created in 1947, you people decided to name your newly-formed country as "india".

Didnt you even know this about your own country? :woot:
 
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So Iqbal wrote the "Saare Jahan se achchha for the South Asia region"?
 
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