Pakistan warns US "disastrous consequences" on more raids

[SpArK]

How much will be this affecting NATO route?

Are these supply routes still operational after these warning?

Any infos???

 

[luckyyy]

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How much will be this affecting NATO route?

Are these supply routes still operational after these warning?

Any infos???

why did NATO need routes now....mission OBL over !!

 

[SpArK]

Helloo... anybody.... Post number 91 any answers...

 

[SpArK]

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why did NATO need routes now....mission OBL over !!

My questions is whether they have stopped it. they still have troops in Afghanistan right?


Or was it just a warning like "WE WARN YOU"..

 

[Markus]

My questions is whether they have stopped it. they still have troops in Afghanistan right?


Or was it just a warning like "WE WARN YOU"..

They just gave a warning, nothing beyond that.

 

[luckyyy]

My questions is whether they have stopped it. they still have troops in Afghanistan right?


Or was it just a warning like "WE WARN YOU"..

i think US will helt any further militery operations..
like in quwat , in iraq ..in afganistan too , US will just keep few troops ....

 

[SpArK]

i think US will helt any further militery operations..
like in quwat , in iraq ..in afganistan too , US will just keep few troops ....

There are not any news of troop reduction as of now, maybe in future or in an immediate near date..
So they are still there and needs those supplies and are dependent.

Any other answers?

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Those who matter in this issue... Where are our ICBMs?

If you dont have them... then what disastrous consequences??

 

[The HBS Guy]

i think US will helt any further militery operations..
like in quwat , in iraq ..in afganistan too , US will just keep few troops ....

Just wait and watch. The drones will rise. Petraeus is coming.

 

[Bhairava]

You are just proving my point about living vicariously because you can't take us head on.

I don't see a need to take you (Pakistan) head on wasting time and money ,when pakistan itself is doing a fine job of banging its head on the walls

I seriously doubt it. It's one thing to screw around with India, but if any of these guys mess with the big powers, the ISI will hand them over by the balls. They will not risk a repeat of OBL and, besides, none of these guys are relevant to the Afghan equation as OBL was.

That is what you (Pakistan) think - the Good jihadi, bad jihadi syndrome - and time and again you have been proved wrong. But still you refuse to wake up. God save you.

What is the guarantee that few of the LeT members who took part in the funeral will not join TTP to avenge the Bin Ladin killing ? I heard the TTP has already announced that Pakistan is the enemy # 1 from now on.

I agree with your first paragraph. Even if there is another 26/11 blamed on someone in Pakistan, India will not attack Pakistan directly. It will play its diplomatic and financial cards to elevate the perpetrators on the international stage and get the US or NATO to carry out the attack. The stated reason will be to defuse the tension between two nuclear rivals.

Oh that will be even more good.

Getting what we need by making others do our dirty work.

 

[Markus]

Those who matter in this issue... Where are our ICBMs?

If you dont have them... then what disastrous consequences??

Even if you had ICBM's, dont tell me that you have plans to attack American bases with them?

 

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There are not any news of troop reduction as of now, maybe in future or in an immediate near date..
So they are still there and needs those supplies and are dependent.

Any other answers?

Erstwhile Central Intelligence Agency analyst on South Asia, Lisa Curtis knows exactly the kind of painstaking research that would have gone into ultimately locating the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden where CIA analysts, operatives, and finally the elite Navy SEALS team worked in tandem to ferret out the Al Qaeda leader, living in the $1 million mansion in Abbottabad.

Curtis can also understand the seething anger among lawmakers when they find the aid recipient -- in this case Pakistan -- has been taking the American taxpayer for a ride. In their eyes, Pakistan was complicit in providing a safe haven for bin Laden.

Also a former diplomat, Curtis who was based in Islamabad can also empathise with the difficult treading diplomats from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton downwards have now to do in order to make sure that the US-Pakistan relationship doesn't begin to unravel and the level of mistrust becomes irreparable.


Curtis told rediff.com that "as the reality sinks in that the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks resided comfortably in a Pakistani military cantonment area perhaps for nearly six years, US lawmakers' questions and anger are understandably growing. There are serious calls for stopping aid to Pakistan until it is determined that Pakistani security officials were not involved in harboring Osama bin Laden."

Curtis, currently Senior Research Fellow and head of the South Asia Programme at the conservative Heritage Foundation -- a Washington, DC-based think tank -- said, "The treasure trove of intelligence confiscated at the compound by the Navy SEALS may hold the key to answering this question," and argued that "until that information is culled by intelligence professionals, it is reasonable for the US to with withhold -- but perhaps not cut off altogether -- aid disbursements to Pakistan."

She said, "The bin Laden operation has already caused a major breach in the US-Pakistan partnership. Pakistan watchers within the administration who supported strengthening the partnership through efforts like the Strategic Dialogue have expressed a deep sense of disappointment and demoralisation from the revelations surfacing about the compound, and they fear the worst is yet to come."

"The bin Laden operation and its aftermath seem set to change the dynamics of the US-Pakistan relationship in unpredictable and far-reaching ways," Curtis predicted.


However, she noted that "the statements by President Obama and Hillary Clinton acknowledging Pakistani counterterrorism cooperation over the years appear to leave the door open for patching up ties, if Pakistan decides it values the partnership and is willing to make changes in its own counterterrorism policies."

But Curtis said, "The status quo in Pakistan's policies toward the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani network, for example, will not be acceptable from here on out. The US is likely to use Pakistan's failures against bin Laden to press for more cooperation in Afghanistan."

"Pakistani leaders are flailing about with various explanations for their lapses, but what they don't seem to realise is that their credibility is not very high in Washington at the moment," she said.

"Pakistani complaints about the US violation of its sovereignty will fall on deaf ears in Washington and could sour opinions toward Islamabad even more."

Thus Curtis argued that "rather than focusing all of their energy on simply deflecting criticism, Pakistani leaders would do well to engage in some soul-searching and reflection on whether they want to continue to reinforce their reputation as the 'epicenter of international terrorism' or would prefer instead to begin to turn over a new leaf."

Former diplomat Howard Schaffer acknowledged that in the wake of the bin Laden's killing and Pakistan's embarrassment and humiliation that he was living right under their nose, necessarily adds a new dimension to his book "and turns its on its head."

Schaffer, currently a professor of diplomacy at Georgetown University's Schools of Foreign Policy Studies, said, "Pakistan used to always give the US the guilt trip, saying it had abandoned Pakistan, now finds the roles reversed. Now the US can turn it around and give Pakistan the guilt trip about how it was badly let down by Pakistan."

He also said he fully agreed with White House officials John Brennan that it was "inconceivable" that some elements in the Pakistani military and intelligence wouldn't have known that bin Laden was holed up where he was, on the outskirts of Islamabad and in close proximity to Pakistan's elite military academy.

Schaffer said, "Having spent more than 30 years in and on South Asia," told rediff.com, "As you know being a South Asian, these things just cannot be kept secret for so long. Everyone knows everything and everybody who lives around and what people are cooking for lunch or dinner and who's visiting whom."

"So it is simply incredulous to believe that some elements of the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment were not aware that bin Laden was living where he was and possibly could have been the ones who even arranged for his cover and provided all the support network."

But Schaffer, who in his book How Pakistan Negotiates with the United States: Riding the Roller-Coaster spoke of how the US and Pakistan had experienced "three marriages and two divorces," said both countries simply couldn't "afford a third divorce," even though "their trust deficit has hit a new low," as the "stakes are just too high."

He said suspending aid and/or attempting to punish Pakistan would be highly counterproductive and could send this nuclear-armed country into a tail-spin and ultimately provide the terrorists with 'a perverted victory."

Thus, he said it was imperative that both countries "engage in some frank and candid private conversations," and get the relationship back on track, notwithstanding all of the anger and mistrust and mutual suspicion on both sides.

Schaffer said it would be "particularly dangerous" to rub it in to the Pakistani military and intelligence, considering "all of the embarrassment and humiliation it's already undergoing in the eyes of the Pakistani people."

The rest can be found here 'US and Pakistan can't afford a third divorce' - Rediff.com News

 

[Developereo]

There is no point going in circles.

Fact is, despite all rationalizations, India would love to carry out a surgical strike within Pakistan. The political and psychological effect would be incalculable, but it cannot do so because the power difference between India and Pakistan is not enough to permit a standalone operation.

Secondly, the Pakistani talk of "consequences" is just crap. The US is a superpower and Pakistan can't do anything about it, from a purely military perspective, regardless of aid and NATO routes.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

with the death of OBL ,the US war on terror which started on 9/11 is over !!

Is it really? Will the US now get Dafaa from AfPak?

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Sorry for being a little off topic... but is there a thread on what China recently said?

You mess with Islamabad, you ll be messing with Beijing?