Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

[MMM-E]

Aircraft making is not that you will learn immediately. It needs a lot of experience before you claim to improve your plane or you were able to produce 5 generation fighter when you didn’t able to produce 1st 2nd 3rd 4th how can it be ? Magic?

Who said that we didn’t able to produce 1st 2nd 3rd 4th gen ?

Turkiye easly can develop 4,5 gen Fighter like F-16 block70
even HURJET is new generation advanced light attack Fighter Jet which make the first flight in the next a few months


Wait and see magic or not as like T-625 utility Helicopter

Wait and see magic or not as like how Turkiye was become UCAV super power in the world
TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI , KIZIELMA

Germany-France still dreaming about EUROMALE UAV for 2028


5th generation Platform is not problem
that will take years to develop 5th generation turbofan Engine and TEI said we will do it

 

[Foinikas]

Germany-France still dreaming about EUROMALE UAV for 2028

Maybe it's not a priority anymore? Ever thought of that?

 

[Trango Towers]

I wouldn’t want to be the test pilot in a test platform of an ambitious 5th generation fighter from a country that has never designed aircraft before

And that's why in life you will never amount to anything

 

[MMM-E]

Maybe it's not a priority anymore? Ever thought of that?

Or France-Germany , Russia , India can not develop UCAV like American MQ-9 , Turkish AKINCI


same boys also said that Turkiye can not develop UCAV a country that has never designed UCAV

Turkiye has developed even KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet while others are still dreaming about turboprob engined UAV for 2028


Turkish Aviation Industry is rising year by year

HURKUS
TB-2
ANKA-S
AKSUNGUR
AKINCI
KIZILELMA
T-625

First Flight by 2023
-- HURJET new generation advanced light attack Fighter Jet
-- T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter

First Flight by 2025
-- TFX air superiority 5th gen Fighter Jet

 

[kingQamaR]

And that's why in life you will never amount to anything

You don’t know anything about me don’t take things so to heart

 

[Basel]

Turkiye has also flying wing stealth UCAV project ( TAI ANKA-3 ) which make the first flight in 2023

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KIZILELMA with delta canards for aggressive maneuvers in air to air combat

KIZILELMA is future war concept fully equipped with artificial intelligence that it can make certain decisions on its own

An artificial intelligence algorithm beat a human Fighter pilot during a simulated dogfight

so how could a human win when an AI can withstand G forces that no human could survive ?

AI could win non stop eventually



in 2030s , twin engined KIZILELMA will be turned into a hell's weapon

-- High situational awareness with EOTS and AESA Radar , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design featuring a low radar signature
-- Composite body improves stealth capability incredibly
-- Internal weapon bay for stealth flight capability
-- Smart fleet autonomy equipped with artificial intelligence
-- Speed of mach 1.8 / mach 2
-- Aggressive maneuverability with delta canard and vertical stabilizers
-- fully equipped with artificial intelligence that it can make certain decisions on its own

The drone will be face 60G pulling AAMs so even AI will find it difficult to evade them, that is why VLO stealth is important to avoid detection, canards based design is not VLO design.

 

[Trango Towers]

You don’t know anything about me don’t take things so to heart

I would not want to know anything. Negative people are just that...afraid of life and living. Achievement is far gone

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Who said it's stealth?
It has no supercruise, hell it's subsonic, nothing is known about its sensors let alone sensor fusion, nothing is known about its heat signature.

Doesn't really look any better than the pseudo-5th generation Su-57 in my eyes until proven otherwise.

you are more dumb than I am in aviation knowledge.

faster speed doesn't make a jet stealth
F117 is subsonic. but first stealth fighter.


go announce that it's not stealth to an American in the south and he will mess you up despite being an Israeli.

I think your nationality must be revoked. you reduced collective IQ of Isreal.

my ex girlfriend's brother served in Israeli military intelligence I will tell him to break your computer and place you in a naughty corner and teach you basics of stealth technology so that Israels national IQ can be restored or you kicked out to Afghanistan or Pakistan for education.

 

[Trango Towers]

What is the reason for TAI to give repeated requests to Rolls Royce, GE and Eurojet to have joint development of engines then? It's been 5 years and they haven't done anything yet.

Prototypes are not a finalized product get that clear, its not suitable for military operations!

Instead TAi is installing readymade engines from GE.

Why is it that th f35 has so many partners. Why is the typhoon have so many partners. Why is the tempest a uk Japan and Italian affair. Why do u keep asking stupid question?

 

[Dalit]

Who said it's stealth?
It has no supercruise, hell it's subsonic, nothing is known about its sensors let alone sensor fusion, nothing is known about its heat signature.

Doesn't really look any better than the pseudo-5th generation Su-57 in my eyes until proven otherwise.

This guy is an absolute joke. This post right here proves it.

Or France-Germany , Russia , India can not develop UCAV like American MQ-9 , Turkish AKINCI


same boys also said that Turkiye can not develop UCAV a country that has never designed UCAV

Turkiye has developed even KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet while others are still dreaming about turboprob engined UAV for 2028


Turkish Aviation Industry is rising year by year

HURKUS
TB-2
ANKA-S
AKSUNGUR
AKINCI
KIZILELMA
T-625

First Flight by 2023
-- HURJET new generation advanced light attack Fighter Jet
-- T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter

First Flight by 2025
-- TFX air superiority 5th gen Fighter Jet

Insane. Turkish defence industry has lifted like no other. It has left Pakistan by a few light years behind. All these indigenous projects prove that in the Islamic world Turkey proudly stands on number 1.

 

[Beny Karachun]

This guy is an absolute joke. This post right here proves it.

How is the way this drone is presented any different than the way the Su57 was?

How is Turkish military modernization presented any differently than Russia's military modernization?

In reality Turkish military still mostly uses G3 rifles and RPG7s, still uses M60s, M48s, F-4s, Leopard 1s and older Leopard 2s, M113s in active use.

They show a bunch of shiny new weapons like Russia while the bulk of its military force is older. Whitewash any difficulties like in the engine department as an example.

Just like Russia they are talking about mass production in the future, and just like Russia they are faced with enormous economical challanges that delay such efforts.

 

[Dalit]

How is the way this drone is presented any different than the way the Su57 was?

How is Turkish military modernization presented any differently than Russia's military modernization?

In reality Turkish military still mostly uses G3 rifles and RPG7s, still uses M60s, M48s, F-4s, Leopard 1s and older Leopard 2s, M113s in active use.

They show a bunch of shiny new weapons like Russia while the bulk of its military force is older. Whitewash any difficulties like in the engine department as an example.

Just like Russia they are talking about mass production in the future, and just like Russia they are faced with enormous economical challanges that delay such efforts.

Keep going...

 

[manpk77]

Why is it that th f35 has so many partners. Why is the typhoon have so many partners. Why is the tempest a uk Japan and Italian affair. Why do u keep asking stupid question?

No then Turkey should claim that its not built by them rather it is a joint development. But no one is willing to partner Turkey. Because they are not fools. No one gives critical technology just like that.

Turkey sent so many requests to Rolls Royce for a joint development and they have been rejecting it, because they are not willing to share the turbine technology with Turkey. This is why Turkey have ordered hundreds of GE engines in a hope that GE will help them out but Americans are not willing as well, they are not fools that they will share critical technology with Turkey.

Pakistan should watchout before buying stuff from Turkey. I am sure Pakistan military is also not fool that they will buy whatever Turkey displays. Pakistan also knows very well what capabilities Turks have.

Turkish defence industry has lifted like no other. It has left Pakistan by a few light years behind.

The future is missile development and drone. Pakistan has been operating and also experimenting with drones way before Turkey. It's the lack of production facility which is hurting.

Turkey wants Pakistan to share it's critical missile technology. No way Pakistan is behind.

 

[Indos]

No then Turkey should claim that its not built by them rather it is a joint development. But no one is willing to partner Turkey. Because they are not fools. No one gives critical technology just like that.

Turkey sent so many requests to Rolls Royce for a joint development and they have been rejecting it, because they are not willing to share the turbine technology with Turkey. This is why Turkey have ordered hundreds of GE engines in a hope that GE will help them out but Americans are not willing as well, they are not fools that they will share critical technology with Turkey.

Pakistan should watchout before buying stuff from Turkey. I am sure Pakistan military is also not fool that they will buy whatever Turkey displays. Pakistan also knows very well what capabilities Turks have.


The future is missile development and drone. Pakistan has been operating and also experimenting with drones way before Turkey. It's the lack of production facility which is hurting.

Turkey wants Pakistan to share it's critical missile technology. No way Pakistan is behind.

Not even India gets meaningful TOT from their hundreds of F404 and F414 engine order from GE.

But TEI Turkey does have strong industrial connection with GE with GE 47 % stake on TEI.

Going to order engine from GE is a very much logical step and TFX program finally buying around 100 GE F110 engine has already been predicted by many since it is not easy to make capable engine for plane as even can be witnessed by Chinese which is already reaching superpower status economically and militarily

 

[manpk77]

Turkey is building their own power plant. The drive from the Turkish leadership is that "all strategic weapons MUST be built in-house".

They why Turkey sent so many request for joint venture with Rolls Royce? Past 5 years they have been struggling to get the tech . And why Turkey wants Pakistan to assists them in missile technology? Built at home my foot!! They will take our technology and make money out of it and Pakistan will get? Few millions to transfer tech and they will make billions out of it and sell it back to us at higher price. wow wow wow!!

There are no friends and foes in business!

Not even India gets meaningful TOT from their hundreds of F404 and F414 engine order from GE.

But TEI Turkey does have strong industrial connection with GE with GE 47 % stake on TEI

Forget India and their stupid Kaveri flop show. Point is share holding is regulated by company and tech transfer is regulated by government. How much strong connection you have They technology is guarded by government not the company.

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