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I dont blame the Pakistanis. I blame the ultra conservative Chinese leadership. They have too many fear and wanted everything to be safe and perfect. Not willing to take risk. In advance of technology, casualties and mistakes are part and parcel for advancement for higher technology. You dont take risk, you have no advancement.
Hi,
For future aircraft----maybe with a slightly bigger frame and structure---a more powerful engine maybe needed to meet with more fuel---more electronics and more weapons carrying capabilities----.
As for the other poster who mentioned about twin engine aircraft---it has already been built and as @Khafee pointed out---it is named as J31.
Now possibly for an upgraded version---the JF17 could be enhanced like the Grippen NG----or similar to the japanese F2---.
The only thing that is of most concern to me for the JF17 is the LOITER TIME of this aircraft----otherwise once it gets integrated with the PL15 and the PL12---the power projection of this aircraft would increase tremendoulsy---but still a heavy bird is of dire need.
The risk aversion started after the era of Deng.
During the era of Mao, you won't hear such thing as China has created a lot of miracles under his leadership.
Don't let the anti-cultural revolution propaganda to cloud your judgement, and Mao has done by far more good than bad.
If the modern Chinese leaders have more Maoism than Dengism, then you should feel more happy and lucky as a Chinese military enthusiast.
I dont blame the Pakistanis. I blame the ultra conservative Chinese leadership. They have too many fear and wanted everything to be safe and perfect. Not willing to take risk. In advance of technology, casualties and mistakes are part and parcel for advancement for higher technology. You dont take risk, you have no advancement.
Even though I am not Chinese but reading through the history of aircraft and engine development I sometime get furious over so many good projects that were cancelled after being labelled "risky". Recently I recall an article stating that even WS-10 nearly got cancelled!
But you cannot discredit Mao for uniting the Chinese mainland. The only thing Mao shall do is too left the economy development under other leadership.Don't be ridiculous. Dog Mao is an animal. Communism is devil. They pull China into dark water. The only thing that CCP is good at is to brainwash those retard nationalist to support them and actually do bad thing to China.
1stly it was me in post#21
2ndly how do u purpose incresed block3 (more power consuming electronics )loitertime(CFTs) without bigger engine.
YES, we need heavies, but still it would help if we can increase the range of thunder without much investment.
"The grapes are sour" is the only conclusion I can deduce from this comment . I know that our Air Force's current budget don't have money(until the fill of corruption is taken from it) for other engine options and it's alright but sometimes a single step forward can make things a lot different even if you can't change the whole road. RD-93 is basically based on the series 2/3 of RD-33 and there was a lot of time and money as well to have it brought to the "MK" level. The problem with the sentimental youth is that they fail to understand the needs and requirements of the fat bellies of the high up ones comparing to the needs of country's defense. But then it matters not because "quality" is not among the virtues that were set to get in its any regime(beside weapons) while this whole Thunder thing was planed and put to work.Hi.
That tells you that the RD93 is the right engine for his aircraft and it was the right engine from day one. The issue about the power are not technical in nature but just for the armchair bandits----blowing bubbles.
This is not a race of who is faster from 0 to 60---but the race is for endurance---utility---availability---ease of servicing and reliability.
Young pakistanis must learn and realize that in weapons of war---you do not go out for glittery and shinny stuff--but you go for the known and proven---.
This is not a dash for a 100 meters race---but this is sustenance for a marathon---so your utility needs to be suitable for the marathon.
We also find out that the smoke issue is also secondary---and there is no big deal about it----it was just a drama created by the critics who could not find anything else wrong with it.
"The grapes are sour" is the only conclusion I can deduce from this comment . I know that our Air Force's current budget don't have money(until the fill of corruption is taken from it) for other engine options and it's alright but sometimes a single step forward can make things a lot different even if you can't change the whole road. RD-93 is basically based on the series 2/3 of RD-33 and there was a lot of time and money as well to have it brought to the "MK" level. The problem with the sentimental youth is that they fail to understand the needs and requirements of the fat bellies of the high up ones comparing to the needs of country's defense. But then it matters not because "quality" is not among the virtues that were set to get in its any regime(beside weapons) while this whole Thunder thing was planed and put to work.
some people really don't have any brains on PDF.
Pakistan already has about 70 aircraft in operational service or in testing phase right now, that's about 70 RD-93 in service plus however many spares. Who in their right mind would decide to change the engine now?
Those engines represent about $300 million investment, and by the end of Bock 2 production, PAF would have invested more than HALF A BILLION $!
So why in the world would they change the engine?
The focus seems to be more in interesting the Russians to open a maintenance facility so that Russia can be pulled closer...besides..I doubt there are any other deliverable options available..The ej200 ..The Europeans aren't going to let chinese engineers anywhere close to thier product. ..and for the chinese engines. .hmm.
The funny part on this article was that pac designed the plane and that they "worked" extensively with the Russian engineers from klimov.
There are some idiot in Chinese leadership that do not know what is important.
But you cannot discredit Mao for uniting the Chinese mainland. The only thing Mao shall do is too left the economy development under other leadership.