pakistan stopped buying military equpment from USA totally

[Amaa'n]

Hmm have you personally used both? If yes then tell me your experience of not then shall I tell you?

he has both, m16 & AK47...i like his gun collection.....he is right on M4 but did not elaborate further on it

I was watching a video yesterday, a youtuber and an AK enthusiast rechambered the AK74 to .224 velcory which is almost similar to 5.45x 39. he was able to stretch it out to hit the target at 1000 yards in consecutive shots ...thats some serious accuracy and trajectory

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

its been now 3 years and 4 months Pakistan have never ordered any military equipment from USA . i fact our last three orders were not delivered or canceled .
Feb. 12, 2016 f-16 block52 8 units canceled
Apr 6, 2015 AH1Z vipers halted
Oct 30, 2014 cutter for navy - canceled


our last major arms deal was with us Sep 19, 2014 MAARPs which was delivered . so technically we are not getting nor ordering US made weapons since sep-2014 . its almost 5 years without US made weapons deals . how you people see our forces future . remember we are still major non NATO ally on papers .

personally i think we did right in last 5 years and we should avoid US made weapons in future too . US weapons are drug for a country . USA spy - black mail- ban - and stop spares and services at the time of need . we are looking other countries like china - Russia - turkey - Sweden - Italy- even Holland Brazil these days and things working well .

Pakistan have ordered or received below arms in last 5 years. so far my point of view we can filful our needs without sucking USA .


air force
jf-17 with Chinese help
drones and UAVs local chines help
helicopters from italy
SAMs from china italy



navy
frigates type54 from china
patrol crafts from china
missile boats from china
naval fuel tanker from turkey
Split Hoppers Barges from china
corvettes from Holland
corvettes from turkey

army
ATGM from spain
APCs from italy
MRAP FROM SOUTH AFRICA
choppers from italy
choppers from turkey
choppers from russia

Need all F 16s V upgrades with AIM 120Ds.Also need F 35s now

ATGM from spain

Can u tell me the name?

 

[Windjammer]

As a defence expert once commented, ''American sanctions and embargoes were the best thing to happen to Pakistan, it forced Pakistan to become more self sufficient and also not to keep all eggs in one basket''.

 

[Imran Khan]

As a defence expert once commented, ''American sanctions and embargoes were the best thing to happen to Pakistan, it forced Pakistan to become more self sufficient and also not to keep all eggs in one basket''.

one of the best thing happened to pakistan other wise today our forces were half of that what they are . we can not buy everything

 

[BHarwana]

he has both, m16 & AK47...i like his gun collection.....he is right on M4 but did not elaborate further on it

I was watching a video yesterday, a youtuber and an AK enthusiast rechambered the AK74 to .224 velcory which is almost similar to 5.45x 39. he was able to stretch it out to hit the target at 1000 yards in consecutive shots ...thats some serious accuracy and trajectory

Okay but that still don't explains which weapons is better it only names just 2 aspects of M4, which are still debatable. So let's say M4 has accuracy and range. What about durability relaibility penetration. Because weapons are not just accuracy or range? What good is a gun if you cannot fire the second bullet from it?

 

[bafxet]

Salute.
My Pakistan army Zindabad

 

[Amaa'n]

Okay but that still don't explains which weapons is better it only names just 2 aspects of M4 are still debatable. So let's say M4 has accuracy and range. What about durability relaibility penetration. Because weapons are not just accuracy or range? What good is a gun if you cannot find the second bullet from it?

I don't wana go down this road, i myself own AK74 and currently building an AR....thing is both weapons have their own domain or scope of work.....US realized thisi Iraq and Afghan war recently.....they had their guys field stripping weapons during fire fight when Talis were digging up decades old busted up AK from ground and it would still shoot like hell.....
AR has it's own pros that is lean trajectory, muzzle velocity at higher range, which means more penetration at higher range...it has less weight, can be customized as required, long barrel short barrel, pdw,dmr....you can play with it.....comparing to AK, then its a tank, a beast....has less lean trajectory and droos at higher range making it less accurate but it was more knockdown power....has a higher kill shot ratio....it is heavy but reliable ....you can change the barrel length out in thefield unlike AR....

 

[Imran Khan]

Need all F 16s V upgrades with AIM 120Ds.Also need F 35s now


Can u tell me the name?

Alcotán-100

 

[BHarwana]

I don't wana go down this road, i myself own AK74 and currently building an AR....thing is both weapons have their own domain or scope of work.....US realized thisi Iraq and Afghan war recently.....they had their guys field stripping weapons during fire fight when Talis were digging up decades old busted up AK from ground and it would still shoot like hell.....
AR has it's own pros that is lean trajectory, muzzle velocity at higher range, which means more penetration at higher range...it has less weight, can be customized as required, long barrel short barrel, pdw,dmr....you can play with it.....comparing to AK, then its a tank, a beast....has less lean trajectory and droos at higher range making it less accurate but it was more knockdown power....has a higher kill shot ratio....it is heavy but reliable ....you can change the barrel length out in thefield unlike AR....

Okay I will stop this discussion here but to compare US and rest if the world's technological advantage one just has to look at the fire arms which both use as they are the most used weapon of war.
Bombs jets missiles all shape war but guns are the one who decide the fate of the war. I asked this question to @LeGenD because USA would have won the war in Afghanistan if war in Afghanistan only meant throwing bombs but no you cannot win war with just bombs in the end it all depends on just a gun. Where the war became to difficult for USA to win. So was it our correct decision to move away from US weapons or not is a debate which can move into multiple domains. But on one very visible aspect the decision looks perfect because in USA selling weapons became a toll of politics not war.

 

[Signalian]

its been now 3 years and 4 months Pakistan have never ordered any military equipment from USA . i fact our last three orders were not delivered or canceled .
Feb. 12, 2016 f-16 block52 8 units canceled
Apr 6, 2015 AH1Z vipers halted
Oct 30, 2014 cutter for navy - canceled


our last major arms deal was with us Sep 19, 2014 MAARPs which was delivered . so technically we are not getting nor ordering US made weapons since sep-2014 . its almost 5 years without US made weapons deals . how you people see our forces future . remember we are still major non NATO ally on papers .

personally i think we did right in last 5 years and we should avoid US made weapons in future too . US weapons are drug for a country . USA spy - black mail- ban - and stop spares and services at the time of need . we are looking other countries like china - Russia - turkey - Sweden - Italy- even Holland Brazil these days and things working well .

Pakistan have ordered or received below arms in last 5 years. so far my point of view we can filful our needs without sucking USA .


air force
jf-17 with Chinese help
drones and UAVs local chines help
helicopters from italy
SAMs from china italy



navy
frigates type54 from china
patrol crafts from china
missile boats from china
naval fuel tanker from turkey
Split Hoppers Barges from china
corvettes from Holland
corvettes from turkey

army
ATGM from spain
APCs from italy
MRAP FROM SOUTH AFRICA
choppers from italy
choppers from turkey
choppers from russia

i think the 13 F-16's allowed from "Jordan" were in lieu for 14 F-16's that USN Aggressor Squadron refused to deliver to Pakistan. 14 of 28 embargoed in 1990's were delivered, rest 14 were remaining with USN.
After that USA stopped F-16's coming from any source except from USA and that too on full price.

By the way, Pakistan Army got USA designed M-109L's from Italy in past few years.

 

[Imran Khan]

i think the 13 F-16's allowed from Bahrain were in lieu for 14 F-16's that USN Aggressor Squadron refused to deliver to Pakistan. 14 of 28 embargoed in 1990's were delivered, rest 14 were remaining with USN.
After that USA stopped F-16's coming from any source except from USA and that too on full price.

By the way, Pakistan Army got USA designed M-109L's from Italy in past few years.

13 F-16's allowed from Bahrain???????? IT WAS JORDAN 14 F16
About used meterial its not an issue sir

 

[Signalian]

Alcotán-100

This is not an ATGM.

Its a rocket, not a missile. Its range is 600 meters, almost like RPG-series and its 100 mm calibre. It has sight for target tracking. I am not sure if its guided.

13 F-16's allowed from Bahrain???????? IT WAS JORDAN 14 F16
About used meterial its not an issue sir

Jordan yes, not Bahrain.

 

[HRK]

1. WE do not have the funds to seek multi-billion dollar defense-related purchases from the US.

its over simplified ..... If you remember US in past has refused the purchase of second batch of F-16 from Jordan .... that deal was satisfying both of our defence and financial compulsion but result is negative due to US policies about Pakistan ..... so its no just related to our financial positions but more than this

 

[princefaisal]

Navistar MaxxPro MRAPs were delivered to Pakistan by US in 2016.

 

[Imran Khan]

its over simplified ..... If you remember US in past has refused the purchase of second batch of F-16 from Jordan .... that deal was satisfying both of our defence and financial compulsion but result is negative due to US policies about Pakistan ..... so its no just related to our financial positions but more than this

iran nuclear deal is best example sir . USA signed it and then windrow from it . they are plain liars cheaters