pakistan stopped buying military equpment from USA totally

[Trango Towers]

america is an old friend with special relations but under trump,i don't see any future of this relation.i think it's good to buy weapons from other countries.

Not a friend. Americas only friend is Israel and America serves Israel due to AIPAC. We will never be friends unless we too serve Israel. Pakistan will never do that

 

[Zee-shaun]

There are many more competitive suppliers in this multi polar world than the US or Russia. Imho Pakistan must stay away from any purchases from US in near future and focus more on China, Russia, Turkey and EU

 

[maximuswarrior]

This thread is turning towards the issue of US Pakistan relations.

As it should. Let's highlight it and put it under a microscope.

 

[LeGenD]

its been now 3 years and 4 months Pakistan have never ordered any military equipment from USA . i fact our last three orders were not delivered or canceled .
Feb. 12, 2016 f-16 block52 8 units canceled
Apr 6, 2015 AH1Z vipers halted
Oct 30, 2014 cutter for navy - canceled


our last major arms deal was with us Sep 19, 2014 MAARPs which was delivered . so technically we are not getting nor ordering US made weapons since sep-2014 . its almost 5 years without US made weapons deals . how you people see our forces future . remember we are still major non NATO ally on papers .

personally i think we did right in last 5 years and we should avoid US made weapons in future too . US weapons are drug for a country . USA spy - black mail- ban - and stop spares and services at the time of need . we are looking other countries like china - Russia - turkey - Sweden - Italy- even Holland Brazil these days and things working well .

Pakistan have ordered or received below arms in last 5 years. so far my point of view we can filful our needs without sucking USA .


air force
jf-17 with Chinese help
drones and UAVs local chines help
helicopters from italy
SAMs from china italy



navy
frigates type54 from china
patrol crafts from china
missile boats from china
naval fuel tanker from turkey
Split Hoppers Barges from china
corvettes from Holland
corvettes from turkey

army
ATGM from spain
APCs from italy
MRAP FROM SOUTH AFRICA
choppers from italy
choppers from turkey
choppers from russia

1. WE do not have the funds to seek multi-billion dollar defense-related purchases from the US.

2. US Senate is not permitting White House to approve sales of costly weapons to Pakistan on the basis of CSF. WE need to pay for American hardware in full now.

Secondly, this is not something to celebrate or congratulate each other over - we risk growing out of touch with the cutting-edge of the WEST. And if you think that China is a substitute, then think again. A large number of members here are fixated on the cosmetics and narratives but the real cutting-edge lay beneath the frames.

 

[maximuswarrior]

America was never our friend, it just wasnt our enemy in the different phases in the past because of conjoined interests but even in the past whenever those interests subsided the US turned hostile towards Pakistan, trump or no trump this time the hostility is permanent as the world is now clearly defined into 2 blocs and with CPEC and other strategic interests in the region, we are firmly in the Chinese Bloc. America is a state hostile to Pakistan.

No doubt. This is exactly the whole undiluted truth.

 

[Zulfiqar]

these cuts will not for weapons purchase and repairs they will not build new buildings not increase salaries and many admin expenses will be stopped but not operational one sir .


i have another opinion sir . what you think if we never buy f-16 in 1982 then we have no other front line fighter today ? we will sure have some other decent platform and i am sure PAF will do the same with that one too . f-16 is not end of world nor amraams . its just usage of machine .even poor country like uganda mayanmar have decent fron line fighters .

If the cuts are w.r.t admin exp then we can sacrifice that.

However procurement, POL, ammo and resources for training/war should not be affected.

Let's see the details in budget.

 

[MastanKhan]

its been now 3 years and 4 months Pakistan have never ordered any military equipment from USA . i fact our last three orders were not delivered or canceled .
Feb. 12, 2016 f-16 block52 8 units canceled
Apr 6, 2015 AH1Z vipers halted
Oct 30, 2014 cutter for navy - canceled


our last major arms deal was with us Sep 19, 2014 MAARPs which was delivered . so technically we are not getting nor ordering US made weapons since sep-2014 . its almost 5 years without US made weapons deals . how you people see our forces future . remember we are still major non NATO ally on papers .

personally i think we did right in last 5 years and we should avoid US made weapons in future too . US weapons are drug for a country . USA spy - black mail- ban - and stop spares and services at the time of need . we are looking other countries like china - Russia - turkey - Sweden - Italy- even Holland Brazil these days and things working well .

Pakistan have ordered or received below arms in last 5 years. so far my point of view we can filful our needs without sucking USA .


air force
jf-17 with Chinese help
drones and UAVs local chines help
helicopters from italy
SAMs from china italy



navy
frigates type54 from china
patrol crafts from china
missile boats from china
naval fuel tanker from turkey
Split Hoppers Barges from china
corvettes from Holland
corvettes from turkey

army
ATGM from spain
APCs from italy
MRAP FROM SOUTH AFRICA
choppers from italy
choppers from turkey
choppers from russia

Hi,

Whomsoever ordered the AH1Z helicopters should be charged with misconduct +++.

 

[Imran Khan]

This thread is turning towards the issue of US Pakistan relations.

relations ki to sari baat hai relations hoon gay to deals hogi

 

[VCheng]

1. WE do not have the funds to seek multi-billion dollar defense-related purchases from the US.

2. US Senate is not permitting White House to approve sales of costly weapons to Pakistan on the basis of CSF. WE need to pay for American hardware in full now.

Isn't it funny how the ubergreenpatriots get bent out of shape so easily at not getting cutting edge military hardware for free. USA is not refusing any sales to Pakistan if they can pay for them.

 

[Imran Khan]

If the cuts are w.r.t admin exp then we can sacrifice that.

However procurement, POL, ammo and resources for training/war should not be affected.

Let's see the details in budget.

dont worry sir army have own Some 20bn$ if they have shortage

1. WE do not have the funds to seek multi-billion dollar defense-related purchases from the US.

2. US Senate is not permitting White House to approve sales of costly weapons to Pakistan on the basis of CSF. WE need to pay for American hardware in full now.

Secondly, this is not something to celebrate or congratulate each other over - we risk growing out of touch with the cutting-edge of the WEST. And if you think that China is a substitute, then think again. A large number of members here are fixated on the cosmetics and narratives but the real cutting-edge lay beneath the frames.

i will dissagree sir eu china russia have equal advanced tech as usa .

USA was not giving us latest tech any way . they were offering us 2nd and 3rd grade tech .

for example
pc3 orians not p8
cobras not Apache
bell 412 not black hawks - Chinooks
f-16 block 52 not block 70 or f35
aim9p not AIM9X
AMRAAMC5 not AMRRAMC7
C130H NOT C-130j or C-17
OPH frigates but without SM2

list is very long USA was giving us outdated tech as per US standards . so nothing to be worry here .

 

[SIPRA]

As it should. Let's highlight it and put it under a microscope.

I think, that our state and security establishment view the relationship with US in a pragmatic manner and would try to maintain as good relations as possible with them, within the ambit of our national interests and this is the right course as well. In future, again some unforeseen circumstances may arise, where a close cooperation between us and them is warranted and we may be able to extract some advantages out of that. That is how I feel.

 

[Zee-shaun]

1. WE do not have the funds to seek multi-billion dollar defense-related purchases from the US.

2. US Senate is not permitting White House to approve sales of costly weapons to Pakistan on the basis of CSF. WE need to pay for American hardware in full now.

Above all there is the fact whatever US may or may not approve as FMS to Pakistan, they will sell better and more to India.
All we get is restrictions and sanctions so fcuk America.

Secondly, this is not something to celebrate or congratulate each other over - we risk growing out of touch with the cutting-edge of the WEST. And if you think that China is a substitute, then think again. A large number of members here are fixated on the cosmetics and narratives but the real cutting-edge lay beneath the frames.

Technological gap is narrowing between the US and the rest of the world, specially China. India has US and Israel on her side, those are the most competitive technological powerhouses at the moment. Either we like it or not that leaves us with China and Russia as our main suppliers.

 

[Imran Khan]

Hi,

Whomsoever ordered the AH1Z helicopters should be charged with misconduct +++.

we have long history of US back stabbing

anyone remember garcia class destroyers lease

 

[SIPRA]

relations ki to sari baat hai relations hoon gay to deals hogi

You are right.

 

[Imran Khan]

Isn't it funny how the ubergreenpatriots get bent out of shape so easily at not getting cutting edge military hardware for free. USA is not refusing any sales to Pakistan if they can pay for them.

even paid deals are not worth to be sign

how about f-16 deal we paid and then never got them even today ? its not issue of payment its trust .USA is not trustworthy anyway ether you pay it or not pay it . we paid for p3c orians and then we have grounded them because of no spare parts .