Pakistan should replace F-16 with F-35 ?

[waraich66]

M. Yahyah has a very valid point, which every Pakistani on this forum has ridiculed and Failed to understand what he has been trying to convey and termed it as day dreaming. No dount Pakistan Lacks visonary and generals with balls of steel, Yahyah has atleast a Vision and deserves respect not a@@ kicking by fellow self-doubting Pakistanis:

My few cents on the Topic:

1) Yahyah is absolutely correct that F-16s as a platform are ageing fast. And its evident as a Platform F-16 does not have much scope for upgradation, so it needs to be replaced not to be bought in Bulk.

2) This so called "War on Terror" is one profound opportunity for Pakistan to fill its Kitty with the latest tech, rather than sulk with outdated Block 52s and other Junk from unreliable sources and suppliers, and feel proud with junkie material and have long discussion about cheap junk acquired by comparing it with neighbors mighty SU-30MKIs, MIG-29 SMTs, Mirage-2000 Mk-2,FGFA, MMRCA etc. To further the assertion, I would say that Pakistan today has more that enough BARGAIN power to become part of F-35 program (if your lazy, corrupt generals grow some telescopic Balls), and I am sure US can not block supply of F-35 to PAF at a discounted and affordable rates. Pakistan has done a lot on WOT and its payback time in KIND, as any AID in Dollar terms will be eaten by your corrupt Generals and Politicians, better get Latest tech. and I don't think geting F-35s is impossible. Yahyah is correct in his assertions.

3) To be honest about relying on Chinese reverse engineering capabilities will be one of the Biggest mistakes, as it is evident that Chinese have failed miserably to produce high tech. units and have required Russian and Other western assistance, which is again unreliable in context to China. There is such a Big hue and Cry about JF-17s amongst Pakistanis in this forum, which is too low grade an A/C to be called 4th generation and even PAAF does not even want to induct it. Chinese are heavly dependent on RUSSIAN tech. and engineers, this will increase in the future as China is unable to even produce a workable engine (even after reverse engineering). Yahyah is again correct at opting for F-35 which is a possibility, rather than waiting for something like J-XX, looking at Chinese capabilities of its aviation Industry is next to impossible, probably Chinese will go for PAK-FA as they themselves have bought SU-30s, SU-27s from Russia and sold JF-17s to Pakistan,"Mother of all Ironies". So this J-XX will have the same fate as JF-17s. This is the correct time for Pakistan to gain an upper-hand and push for F-35s and F-15 Silent Eagle (at discounted prices).

4) Lastly, Pakistan has been getting free gifts from USA, its a fact which majority Pakistanis like to honeysweep! BUT I think Yahyah realizes this fact/opportunity and asserts on attaining best for Pakistan, only if Corrupt sold out generals are replaced by visionaries, would make it possible. F-35 is not a distant dream for Pakistan, but an impossible dream due to its military's attitude. Yahyah is correct when he says Pakistan can acquire these technologies if it wants, of-course they should be free as Pakistan has already Payed a lot! Atleast Yahyah has a vision and logic to support it!

Thank you brother for remarks , F16 already completed its product life cycle , we need a fighter for next 50 years.

 

[rikki]

Pakistan should replace f16 with f22

 

[rash2k2]

Pakistan should replace f16 with f22

stop making fun.

 

[waraich66]

Pakistan should replace f16 with f22

Any technical reason or just you like the model

 

[rikki]

stop making fun.

every one knows f22 is superior to f35

 

[Jungibaaz]

every one knows f22 is superior to f35

don't make fun of the guy, so he wants an f-35 in Pakistani colours maybe very unlikely but still possible.

 

[rash2k2]

every one knows f22 is superior to f35

F35 itself is not coming in near future . One has to be realistic. And I can feel your sarcasm.

 

[rikki]

F35 itself is not coming in near future . One has to be realistic. And I can feel your sarcasm.

are yaar f16 kharidna ka paisa nahi aur f35 ki baate karte ho.i thought you guys are happy with 3rd generation jf17"bunder"

 

[Typhoon]

Thank you brother for remarks , F16 already completed its product life cycle , we need a fighter for next 50 years.

You are welcome, the scenario is Ripe for Pakistan but if Pakistanis tow the tone of its Military generals, then no one can save Pakistan form acquiring Junk and outdated tech., when in all circumstances Pakistan is capable of acquiring best of the best. But not everyone thinks likes you!

 

[waraich66]

every one knows f22 is superior to f35

Read below comparison and decide yourself which is superior ?

F-22 Raptor

Role: air superiority fighter
Builder: Lockheed Martin / Boeing
Variants: YF-22A, F/A-22A
Operators: USAF

The F-22 Raptor is the world's first stealth air-to-air fighter. It is developed to replace the F-15C in the air superiority role. The F-22 is the first production aircraft with the ability to super cruise – flying at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners.

The plane's builder Lockheed Martin Corp., has built several F-22s for test purposes. Most are at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., undergoing a series of tests. Last year the pentagon approved production plans for an initial batch of 13 production aircraft.

Recently the designation for the Raptor was changed to F/A-22 to indicate the possible air-to-ground role of the aircraft. JDAM bombs can be carried in the internal weapon bay, while the optional external pylons offer a more flexible station for air-to-ground armament.

Specifications:
Powerplant: two Pratt & Whitney F119-P-100 turbofan each rated at 155.69 kN (35,000 lb st) with afterburning

Dimensions: length 18.92m (62 ft 1 in); height 5.00m (16 ft 5 in); wing span 13.56m (44ft 6 in)

Weights: empty more than 13.608 kg (30,000 lb); Max Take-Off Weight 26.308 kg (58,000 lb)

Performance: max level speed at optimum altitude Mach 1.58 in supercruise and at 30,000 ft (9145m) Mach 1.7 in afterburning mode; service ceiling more than 15,240m (50,000 ft); g limit +7.9

Armament: one 20mm M61A2 Vulcan six-barrel gun with 480 rounds; 2 AIM-9X Sidewinder IR-guided missiles in internal side bays. Up to 6 AIM-120C or 4 AIM-120A AMRAAM missiles in internal fuselage weapon bays or 2 AIM-120C AMRAAMs and 2 GBU-32 JDAM bombs or 2 GBU-30 JDAM bombs. Up to four fuel tanks and up to 8 missiles can be carried on optional external hardpoints. (Reportedly there are plans for a F/A-22C with larger weapon bays capable or carrying a larger selection of Air-to-Ground weapons and weapons such as the AGM-88 HARM).

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F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

Role: multi-role strike fighter
Builder: Lockheed Martin
Variants: F-35A, F-35B, F-35C
Operators: USAF, US Navy, US Marine Corps, Royal Navy/Royal Air Force (UK), (Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, Israel, Australia)

The F-35 will be the result from the Joint Strike Fighter program. The aim of the program is to develop an affordable next generation stealth strike aircraft for the US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps and the United Kingdom as well as other US allies. The program enables various forms of participation for the candidate export countries, ranging from 'informed partner' to 'major participant'. Boeing and Lockheed Martin were the two competitors in the Concept Development Phase (CDP). The Boeing Corp. designed and built the X-32 prototype and the Lockheed Martin team developed the X-35. The X-35 concept by Lockheed Martin was selected as the winner and the program has now entered the Systems Development Demonstration (SDD) phase of the JSF program.

Lockheed Martin leads a development team including Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems, and Pratt & Whitney. Lockheed Martin brings in advanced technology experience, stealth technology and other technologies and experience which it has gained during F-22 research and development. Northrop Grumman offers tactical aircraft knowledge, stealth technology and carrier suitability. BAE System provides expertise and experience with short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) technology as well as advanced subcontract management. Pratt & Whitney is the builder of the engine which will power the JSF which is based on the F-119 turbojet from the F-22.
To forfill the demands of the main contractors three different variants are developed. All versions will have a common structure and have the same fuselage and internal weapons bay. They will all three be powered by a F-119 modified engine. All variants will carry the standard designation F-35.
The F-35A is the standard variant with conventional take off and landing developed for the US Air Force, the biggest JSF customer. The F-35A will replace the F-16 and the A-10 aircraft currently operated by the USAF. The F-35A will probably also be the most exported variant. Possible export countries for the F-35A include all current F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-4 Phantom, F/A-18 Hornet operators, such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Australia, etcetera.

The F-35B is the STOVL variant of the JSF. The F-119 is modified using the experience of BAE Systems based on the Rolls-Royce Pegasus engine from the AV-8 Harrier. Unlike the Air Force variant the F-35B carries no internal gun and the air refuelling probe is located on the right side of the forward fuselage instead of receptacle on the top surface of the aircraft. The main customers for the F-35B will be the USMC to replace the F/A-18 Hornet ands the AV-8B Harrier IIs and the United Kingdom to replace the Royal Air Force/Royal Navy combined Harrier force of Sea Harriers and GR.7s. Other future customers can include Spain and Italy which also operate the Harrier.
The F-35C is a modified design which enables the JSF to operate from aircraft carriers using conventional carrier landings and capapult take off. The F-35C internal structure and landing gear have been strengthened to handle the loads associated with catapult launches and arrested carrier landings. It has a larger wing area than other JSF types with larger control surfaces for better low speed handling. Like the F-35B is has a refuelling probe instead of a receptacle. The US Navy will be the biggest customer of this variant. The F-35C will complement the US Navy fleet of F/A-18E/F fighters by replacing the F/A-18 A+ and C Hornet currently in service.
Future variants might include two seat trainers of each variant and possible modifications for export customers.

Specifications:
Powerplant: one Pratt & Whitney F119-611 turbofan probably producing between 34,000 and 40,000 lbs of thrust with afterburning

Dimensions: X-35A: length 50 ft 6 in (15.37m); height ; wing span 35 ft 0 in (10.65m) X-35C: larger wing span

Weights: unknown

Performance: max level speed unknown; service ceiling probably more than 15,240m (50,000 ft); g limit estimated at +9

Armament: one single-barrel Boeing Advanced 27mm cannon, primary AAM for defense is the AIM-120 AMRAAM of which at least two will be able to be carried in the internal weapon bay. The AIM-9X Sidewinder can only be carried on external additional hardpoints or on the wingtips, not in the internal weapons bay. A large variation of A-G weapons. Of which at least two JDAM GBU-31 (USAF, US Navy requirement) bombs or GBU-32 (USMC requirement) will be able to be carried in the internal weapons bay.

 

[rash2k2]

are yaar f16 kharidna ka paisa nahi aur f35 ki baate karte ho.i thought you guys are happy with 3rd generation jf17"bunder"

tu apne aap ko kitne me bechega? main kharidoonga.

 

[rikki]

tu apne aap ko kitne me bechega? main kharidoonga.

aukat pe aa gaye pahele apne poor people ko kharid uske baad aana

 

[rash2k2]

aukat pe aa gaye pahele apne poor people ko kharid uske baad aana

you leave others. i want to buy you . Apna rate bata.

 

[rikki]

tu apna baata main kahireduga.f35 in Pakistani colors jock of the millennium.

 

[Major Sahab]

I go for F-16.