Pakistan should be named 'People's Republic of Pakistan'

[Kompromat]

The first few posts must have been to counter the troll and the last post must have been what he actually thinks

You had to do this, didn't you?

 

[Porus]

The Ahmedia Muslim was the only community that supported Pakistan movement en masse !!
The Communist Party of India (the most secular and non communal institution in South Asian polity) wholeheartedly supported the Pakistan movement in 40`s .
The Mullahs opposed ML and Pakistan movement on all fronts as much as they possibly could.....
.................
And today Mullahs are the "representatives and protectors" of ideology of Pakistan , Communists are traitors , Ahmedis are "Wajib ub Qatl" apostates !!
Unfortunately our educated classes have buried their heads in sand !! The mention of word "Islam" turns off their brains and they choose to stay silent ......

You have been given a dose of reality (read bellow) but you are still pretending as if the Pakistani ummah is just a bunch of misguided kids who will become normal human beings once the fasadi mullah is neutralized. Forget all the sacrifices your community gave for the creation of islam ka qila, you are now one of those three percent - go and smoke bong.

If 3% minorities have a problem with our country's name, it means that they have a problem with Muslims, our way of life aspirations and Islam.
If they have a problem with the majority and their aspirations, the majority can tell them go and smoke bong! - just because we 'can'. The Christians and Hindus didn't have any significant role in our freedom movement, they paid no price for our freedom. They got it as a result of the blood sacrifice of our forefathers....and whoever has the power to give also reserves the right to 'take it back'.

 

[Levina]

You had to do this, didn't you?

The thermonuclear fusion on this thread called for it.

 

[scorpionx]

There are enough scholars in Pakistan to come up with new theories/answers/philosophies to have a sort of renaissance(so to speak) in Pakistan. Provided they want to.

That is what I said,my friend. If a moderate effort was made instead of patronizing scum organization like Majlis E Ahrar in the 50's perhaps a lot of problems could have been averted. The civilian and the Military ruling elites in the past,followed by the present rulers in their shameful bending before corrupt organization like CIIs proves the state is quite happy or may be ignorant with their self inflicting wounds which they are making since independence.

 

[M. Sarmad]

You have been given a dose of reality (read bellow) but you are still pretending as if the Pakistani ummah is just a bunch of misguided kids who will become normal human beings once the fasadi mullah is neutralized. Forget all the sacrifices your community gave for the creation of islam ka qila, you are now one of those three percent - go and smoke bong.

My community ?? Just because I support some one`s legitimate demands, does not mean that I agree with their doctrine . I have been called a Shia , a Barelvi , an atheist and what not , on this forum . But I consider myself a Pakistani and a Muslim only . Unfortunately I belong to the 97 % community which has been hijacked by a mere 10 % !!

 

[anonymus]

God Bless Wikipedia!

I was talking about Literacy in Muslim Youth, just in case your chose to filter it.

Pakistan's youth literacy is crossing 70% with almost 55% literate adults.

UNESCO Institute for Statistics

In case of youths, India's Enrollment rate is 98.6%. Refer to page 286.


http://indiabudget.nic.in/budget2013-2014/es2012-13/echap-13.pdf

India House London is the place to go and find out. As i have gone there and saw it. As for internet well there r a lot of things that r not shared here. This particular arrest Warrant is of 1930s.

You are a liar. In 1930, Gandhi was doing Dandi yatra and was nowhere close to England. After finishing his study of law in 1891, Gandhi visited Britain again in september 1931.

There was an arrest warrant against him in 1930 but that was for breaking salt law, not visiting a brothel

+ visiting brothel was not a crime under Britishers.

i dont give a damn about his private life....what i admire is, inspite of all his vices, he achieved wat 99.99 % of the humanity cudnt.
morever, why exactly he was arrested...i mean, didnt he pay up after the act or that he visited an illegal brothel ???

See above.

 

[Porus]

My community ?? Just because I support some one`s legitimate demands, does not mean that I agree with their doctrine . I have been called a Shia , a Barelvi , an atheist and what not , on this forum . But I consider myself a Pakistani and a Muslim only . Unfortunately I belong to the 97 % community which has been hijacked by a mere 10 % !!

I thought you were Ahmedi. Sorry about that.

 

[Contrarian]

That is what I said,my friend. If a moderate effort were made instead of patronizing scum organization like Majlis E Ahrar in the 50's perhaps a lot of problems could have been averted. The civilian and the Military ruling elites in the past,followed by the present rulers in their shameful bending before corrupt organization like CIIs proves the state is quite happy or may be ignorant with their self inflicting wounds which they are making since independence.

Somehow, I think a part of their problem lies with Pakistani's being conditioned to fatalism.
For one - They believe they will be guided by some one else. That they are not responsible for what happens..Some messiah will come and solve their problems.

They constantly look to Jinnah and Islam as be all and end all of their nation. I don't get the need for that. They dont need the justification or repudiation of TNT/Islam for their existence today. They are here but it seems they have refused to move on from those early days.

For example - We don't look to Gandhi and Nehru for justification/validation of our actions today. We criticize them both where we find their actions or thoughts were contrary to the current modern beliefs. We also take action(as a nation) that was against their principles - and no we dont give justification for that.

Secondly, Pakistani's also tend to become blind once the world Islam is mentioned. You can probably get them to agree to anything in the name of Islam.

Today's Pakistani's are simply unwilling to go out and say ''this makes no sense even if Jinnah/Bhutto/Mullah1/Mullah2/Mullah3/TNT wanted it. This is my Pakistan today and I want it to be a/b/c/be a modern Republic with equal rights to all/x/y''

They abdicate their responsibility towards their nation - and outsource it to the someone else.

My thoughts are a little jumbled and frankly all over the place, but I hope I could convey some sense of thought. Your opinion? Am I somewhat right or wildly off mark ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

"People's" Republic has always had socialistic connotations behind it but for God's sakes let's focus on the real issues and not modifying names of countries

"Pakistan" is land of the Pure, and it's yours homeland. So just cherish it.

I thought you were Ahmedi. Sorry about that.

and why would it matter if he was an Ahmedi???

He is PAKISTANI. Please for God's sakes you and people like you - please talk educated and mend your ways and stop using dividing tactics.

 

[Porus]

and why would it matter if he was an Ahmedi???

He is PAKISTANI. Please for God's sakes you and people like you - please talk educated and mend your ways and stop using dividing tactics.

Where did I say it does matter? Calm down, read my post and the quoted parts, understand the connection between them, then come again.

 

[Luftwaffe]

The real name is "sain bhutto momin sharif baradars of Pakistan".

 

[MilSpec]

Because Pakistan was not a republic until 1956. Until then we were under the british crown. The name Islamic republic of Pakistan was chosen in the constitution of 1956 when Pakistan became a republic.

The Bottom line is, that Pakistanis will decide what our country would become. Majority of Pakistanis desire a functional Muslim state. We may become communists, secularists or a Sharia state, its no one's business. This is our country and we will decide its future.

Lastly, since Muslims are the majority, our laws and way of life will prevail. Millions of our ancestors paid with their blood, wealth and honor so we could have a choice they didn't have. If 3% minorities have a problem with our country's name, it means that they have a problem with Muslims, our way of life aspirations and Islam.

If they have a problem with the majority and their aspirations, the majority can tell them go and smoke bong! - just because we 'can'. The Christians and Hindus didn't have any significant role in our freedom movement, they paid no price for our freedom. They got it as a result of the blood sacrifice of our forefathers....and whoever has the power to give also reserves the right to 'take it back'.

Naam mein kya rakha hain, Naam chodo kaam karo!

 

[WAR-rior]

In case of youths, India's Enrollment rate is 98.6%. Refer to page 286.


http://indiabudget.nic.in/budget2013-2014/es2012-13/echap-13.pdf






You are a liar. In 1930, Gandhi was doing Dandi yatra and was nowhere close to England. After finishing his study of law in 1891, Gandhi visited Britain again in september 1931.

There was an arrest warrant against him in 1930 but that was for breaking salt law, not visiting a brothel

+ visiting brothel was not a crime under Britishers.





See above.

Dont blame him. Poor victim of Pakistani History. You shud pity on him rather than be offensive.

 

[Horseman]

Because Pakistan was not a republic until 1956. Until then we were under the british crown. The name Islamic republic of Pakistan was chosen in the constitution of 1956 when Pakistan became a republic.

The Bottom line is, that Pakistanis will decide what our country would become. Majority of Pakistanis desire a functional Muslim state. We may become communists, secularists or a Sharia state, its no one's business. This is our country and we will decide its future.

Lastly, since Muslims are the majority, our laws and way of life will prevail. Millions of our ancestors paid with their blood, wealth and honor so we could have a choice they didn't have. If 3% minorities have a problem with our country's name, it means that they have a problem with Muslims, our way of life aspirations and Islam.

If they have a problem with the majority and their aspirations, the majority can tell them go and smoke bong! - just because we 'can'. The Christians and Hindus didn't have any significant role in our freedom movement, they paid no price for our freedom. They got it as a result of the blood sacrifice of our forefathers....and whoever has the power to give also reserves the right to 'take it back'.

Hats off bro. I'm really inspired

 

[scorpionx]

Somehow, I think a part of their problem lies with Pakistani's being conditioned to fatalism.
For one - They believe they will be guided by some one else. That they are not responsible for what happens..Some messiah will come and solve their problems.

They constantly look to Jinnah and Islam as be all and end all of their nation. I don't get the need for that. They dont need the justification or repudiation of TNT/Islam for their existence today. They are here but it seems they have refused to move on from those early days.

For example - We don't look to Gandhi and Nehru for justification/validation of our actions today. We criticize them both where we find their actions or thoughts were contrary to the current modern beliefs. We also take action(as a nation) that was against their principles - and no we dont give justification for that.

Secondly, Pakistani's also tend to become blind once the world Islam is mentioned. You can probably get them to agree to anything in the name of Islam.

Today's Pakistani's are simply unwilling to go out and say ''this makes no sense even if Jinnah/Bhutto/Mullah1/Mullah2/Mullah3/TNT wanted it. This is my Pakistan today and I want it to be a/b/c/be a modern Republic with equal rights to all''

They abdicate their responsibility towards their nation - and outsource it to the someone else.

My thoughts are a little jumbled and frankly all over the place, but I hope I could convey some sense of thought. Your opinion? Am I somewhat right or wildly off mark ?

1947, was an year of utter confusion all over. Everyone was puzzled and misunderstanding,perplexity dominated sanity and rational minds. In the midst of this anarchy we got our countries. But unfortunately,Pakistan had a complete different set of puzzles to solve. While India did not had to struggle much to consolidate it's inherent fabric and continued as it was doing since it's lost antiquity, our neighbor had to start from the scratch. The struggle between ideologies haunted them sixty seven years ago, which does not show any sign to settle down till today. This ideological strife, Nehru and Patel did not have to face and we can thank God for that.

Secondly, I disagree on the view that this country is run by Mullahs. This is too much simplification of the present crisis. If it was so, Pakistan would have long been a Taliban state which it is not definitely.Yesterday only I was reading about the minister of woman and social welfare Rubina Qaimkhani who is incessantly fighting against the Mullah faction of the government for passing three bills against 1.child marriage 2.Sexual harassment at workplace 3. Exploitation against maid servants. This one incident just exemplifies the thousand other efforts by ministers, NGOs and other organisations to revolt against the regressive ideologies which have crippled it's social development in all sense.

I believe this is a country of not Radical extremists who are minority but liberal democrats who are in the majority. The reason why the former always over power their opponents may be because of the fear of the ruling elites to lose the social coherence which they believe exists just because of Islam. This is an incorrect and unsound approach to assess their own society which has been proved to be fatal in every essence.

I am sorry if my comments hurt any Pakistanis but the it is not meant to offend any one.These are just my thoughts.