Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

[ARMalik]

Risk?
for a ship that size?
that too in international waters during the Peace Times?
You dear sir are being paranoid.

It does not mean anything dude - what international waters and what peace when there is india involved? Remember Pakistan's Atlantic Aircraft with dozens on board was downed by India during peace time.

There is a big journey from Sri Lanka to India to pakistan.

 

[JawadKKhan]

It does not mean anything dude - what international waters and what peace when there is india involved? Remember Pakistan's Atlantic Aircraft with dozens on board was downed by India during peace time.

There is a big journey from Sri Lanka to India to pakistan.

Tbh, Im bit concerned too. Remember, india still have to level the score after 27 Feb 2019 and Navy's our weakness and their strength.. They also know, it maybe last good chance as in near future PN won't be that easy peasy after induction of Tughrils, baburs and Hangors.

Recent inductions of Rafales / S-400 might have given some confidence to counter any PAF strikes.

A single ship has zero chance of survival against a whole fleet and on top no air-support.. However, if it comes to this indians will make it up that Tughril attacked them first.

That's why I was concerned, and I asked how many assets of PN can be deployed at a given time, knowing 2 out of 3 Agosta 90Bs are going upgradations, 1 F22P is also being upgraded, OPVs are not weaponized yet for more then 1.5 years.. Alamgir and maybe another ship is cruising all over the world.

Having said, that it will be extremely risky move by india and can lead to full scale war. Chances are very low. But with given conditions we cannot dismiss it completely. A force has to be always prepared for the worst scenario. I hope PN knows that!

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

"U.S. Department of the Navy

The Marine Corps has been part of the U.S. Department of the Navy since 30 June 1834 with its sister service, the United States Navy. The USMC operates installations on land and aboard sea-going amphibious warfare ships around the world".

So what did I just write?
The Service chain begins with the President, through the Secretary of Defense, and continues through the Secretary of the Navy and the Commandant of the Marine Corps. The operational chain runs from the President, through the Secretary of Defense, directly to commanders of combatant commands for missions and forces assigned to their commands.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi,

"U.S. Department of the Navy

The Marine Corps has been part of the U.S. Department of the Navy since 30 June 1834 with its sister service, the United States Navy. The USMC operates installations on land and aboard sea-going amphibious warfare ships around the world".

Yeah @SQ8 was referring to that: the U.S. Department of the Navy is a government office under which both the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Marine Corps operate. The USN and USMC are sibling service arms in that they're independent of each other, but they report to the Secretary of the Navy (SECNAV), who's the chief officer of the Department of the Navy.

 

[Yasser76]

Yeah @SQ8 was referring to that: the U.S. Department of the Navy is a government office under which both the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Marine Corps operate. The USN and USMC are sibling service arms in that they're independent of each other, but they report to the Secretary of the Navy (SECNAV), who's the chief officer of the Department of the Navy.

I would argue that they are not independent of each other but are seperate services.

USMC F-18s fly off US Carriers and F-35s fly off USN Amphibs. US marine officers are schooled at US Naval Academy and staff colleges. There is also much cross posting. One service coould not really function properly without the other, so I would argue that is not "independent"

 

[Mohsin A]

I'm sure during the final leg of the trip to Pakistan, PNS Tughril will be escorted by a Pakistani Sub or two just in case anybody tries to mess.

 

[araz]

I'm sure during the final leg of the trip to Pakistan, PNS Tughril will be escorted by a Pakistani Sub or two just in case anybody tries to mess.

I think most posters are getting excited over nothing. It would be an act of war which would have to be retaliated against. The big guns will be out in no time and all hell will break loose.
Atlantic was targeted inside Indian air space and IAF Mig and Su30 were inside Pak air space which is why there has been no retaliation/ political hoo haa. India is very strong but not the US of A who can buly any nation into submission.
However I agree that closer to Pak shore the 054 would be escorted.
A

 

[ARMalik]

Atlantic was targeted inside Indian air space

Atlantic was inside Pakistan's Air space, closer to Indian border when it was shot.

 

[Tomahawk]

PAKISTAN’S TUGHRIL CLASS TO BE ARMED WITH HYPERSONIC ANTI SHIP BALLISTIC MISSILE

New photos released today of the PNS Tugril (F-261), the 1st Tughril class guided missile & air defence frigate, during its commissioning ceremony indicate that the warship is armed with the CM-401

Type-054A/P is armed with CM-302 Supersonic anti-ship cruise missile.
See the close-up photo of Type-054A/P.

 

[untitled]

Hi,

"U.S. Department of the Navy

The Marine Corps has been part of the U.S. Department of the Navy since 30 June 1834 with its sister service, the United States Navy. The USMC operates installations on land and aboard sea-going amphibious warfare ships around the world".

The US Space Force also falls under the Department of Air Force even though it has recently been separated from the USAF

 

[syed_yusuf]

Type-054A/P is armed with CM-302 Supersonic anti-ship cruise missile.
See the close-up photo of Type-054A/P.

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Can type54ap have 8 ssm instead of 4 ??

 

[Abid123]

Something happened between PAF and PN recently that most of us don't know about? Word "rely" is too big to say in such scenario.

Nothing happened. The problem is that PAF is facing enemy almost 2x larger. The PAF should only focus on fighting IAF in Kashmir, Punjab and Sindh. Giving PAF the task to cover naval assets and maritime strike would put unnecessary pressure while facing a larger air force.

Why? What is your reasoning for this?

Check my post above.

 

[SQ8]

Nothing happened. The problem is that PAF is facing enemy almost 2x larger. The PAF should only focus on fighting IAF in Kashmir, Punjab and Sindh. Giving PAF the task to cover naval assets and maritime strike would put unnecessary pressure while facing a larger air force.

Check my post above.

If it is the reply to Eagle then that is shallow logic. How is it going to be unnecessary pressure?
Apple manages a software division, a hardware division and a services division. They all focus on Apple’s primary and secondary strategies but are tasked with different fronts on which they coordinate activities.

The US Marines have a amphibious component, a armoured and artillery along with operating both heliborne and fixed wing assets. They it do very very good. The PAF allocates resources and budgets to supporting the Navy and trains with them. The Navy is ok with foregoing a certain percentage of the overall armed forces budget so that the PAF can operate this arm. There is no pressure involved and it doesn’t drain on the other parts because that is organic to the institution.

Pressure would be if the PAF had no idea how to perform Naval support as it didn’t in 71 and was suddenly requested that led them to committing fratricide against Pakistani Navy ship.

 

[khanasifm]

 

[The Eagle]

Nothing happened. The problem is that PAF is facing enemy almost 2x larger. The PAF should only focus on fighting IAF in Kashmir, Punjab and Sindh. Giving PAF the task to cover naval assets and maritime strike would put unnecessary pressure while facing a larger air force.

Read your own post again and understand that what you said previously. The word 'Rely" was so mistrusting. That is the Force which has the task to fulfill and they (PAF) have their own set of dedicated manpower/machines to full fill the task accordingly. You have equipment, you have dedicated manpower, you have training and you know what you are up-to; is the key and Tri Services have done a lot in this area. PAF like other services, knows how & what to do.