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[peagle]

What is an independent arm?
The US Marines are a fully independent command that all use Navy ships yet their ships are dedicated ones but the Navy operates them, At no point have the marines asked for a separate Navy arm.

On the other hand - there were/are now two dedicated squadrons whose task is purely to provide Naval support. Today the NHQ has dedicated staff officers from the PAF that coordinate everything from support to air defense. So why should there be a separate arm?

I think my use of the term independent may have been misunderstood. Or, perhaps I wasn't clear.

The main branches of Military are Army, Air force and Navy, Marines independent status varies from country to country.

But there are specialised independent units or sub groups within each branch that have specific roles, such as the SSG, SSW, SSGn, Army Aviation. Naval Air support similar is a separate branch operating within the Naval framework. It is either operationalized within the Air Force or as part of the Navy. Right now as you point out it is operationalised by the Air Force, not the Navy, which would be the next logical step, whenever that may be.

Similarly, before the evolution of Pakistan Army Aviation, the sole responsibility for ground air cover was fulfilled by Pakistan Air Force, but now Pakistan Army built internal capacity for air support in the form of helicopters, drones and light aircraft adapted to fulfil low risk ground attacks. This has reduced the burden on the Air Force.

That is what I meant by independent, and my deduction was that the operational role of Naval air support is perhaps being shifted towards the Navy's internal structures.

I hope the PN and PAF are forming an air arm that can at least cover the EEZ and a little beyond, with enough assets including fighters to prevent a blockade or cut the SLOCS, and can cover the ASW assets in the air, on the surface and under the waves; forming a “Bastion”.

Probably best to put it with the PN marines, so they can also cover the littoral and areas like the Indus delta, which maybe an axis of attack in a future war.

We already have reasonable attack capabilities that are operationalized by the Air Force, but at some point those responsibilities would have to be shift to the Navy. It would make no sense to give that responsibility to the Marines, because the Marines are a specialised force.
Naval Air Arm is an established force in various major navies around the world, we would have to create a similar force, much like the Pakistan Army Aviation. Pakistan Navy is growing at a fast pace, so I can only assume that this step is very close.

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

where is Tughril now?

Malaysia.

Sailing off in the Straits of Malacca. Shall be in Pakistan in around one and a half to 2 weeks.View attachment 800409
Photo taken from a Malaysian navy ship.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470281571525668874

 

[Daniel808]

why's that interesting, the sailors need supplies, the ship started its life in china, thus the first port that it would have seen would have been a chinese one, therefore relying on chinese resupplies

Pakistan is the guest, while Malaysia is the homeowner.

Interesting to see it's not Malaysian water bottle, but the Chinese one.

That's it

 

[imrankhan7250]

Tughril reached Colombo.
soon she will be welcomed by FP22 and JF17

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

US marines are placed under the US NAVY. They serve as the ground troops for the navy.

They fall under SECNAV but are an independent structure on their own. The President can order a marines deployment completely independent of the Navy without requiring their assets.
The difference however is that due to the much much better inter services cooperation the Marines can deploy on their own but can request a detachment of KC-135s to support refueling and a E/A-18G for EW support without having turf war issues on where that deployment goes.

The Marines do use Navy assets for most of their functions including some common administrative functions as well but aren’t helpless without them.
To the point of the post, you don’t necessarily need dedicated assets to provide dedicated support to a branch if the inter service cooperation is good enough.

 

[Shotgunner51]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470307042061471744

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Really surprising that since 1947 , took us 74 years to induct our first large Surface ship which is brand new
F22P(Original 4) look like corvettes compared to the Type054

OHP ship was large but were used and needed ample modernization

A Major Mile stone

Still some distance to go before we can reach level of certain Asian Level navies

 

[MastanKhan]

They fall under SECNAV but are an independent structure on their own. The President can order a marines deployment completely independent of the Navy without requiring their assets.
The difference however is that due to the much much better inter services cooperation the Marines can deploy on their own but can request a detachment of KC-135s to support refueling and a E/A-18G for EW support without having turf war issues on where that deployment goes.

The Marines do use Navy assets for most of their functions including some common administrative functions as well but aren’t helpless without them.
To the point of the post, you don’t necessarily need dedicated assets to provide dedicated support to a branch if the inter service cooperation is good enough.

Hi,

"U.S. Department of the Navy

The Marine Corps has been part of the U.S. Department of the Navy since 30 June 1834 with its sister service, the United States Navy. The USMC operates installations on land and aboard sea-going amphibious warfare ships around the world".

 

[khanasifm]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470307042061471744

Next stop Goa or Mumbai before final destination ?

 

[imrankhan7250]

next stop will be karachi or ormara next week

 

[ARMalik]

Question: From Sri Lanka what is the NEXT stop for this ship?? I see a bit of risk travelling all the way from Sri Lanka to Pakistan due to Indian ships.

 

[Tamiyah]

Question: From Sri Lanka what is the NEXT stop for this ship?? I see a bit of risk travelling all the way from Sri Lanka to Pakistan due to Indian ships.

Risk of what type?

 

[Zephyrus]

Question: From Sri Lanka what is the NEXT stop for this ship?? I see a bit of risk travelling all the way from Sri Lanka to Pakistan due to Indian ships.

Risk?
for a ship that size?
that too in international waters during the Peace Times?
You dear sir are being paranoid.

 

[OIO]

What I found interesting in this Pakistan-Malaysia Naval Exercise, Pak Navy brought Nongfu Spring Natural Water Bottle to Malaysia from China

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Pakistan Navy Type 054A/P Frigate of PNS Tughril
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Royal Malaysian Navy Warship
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Now more people drink C'estbon instead of Nongfu Spring.

 

[Ghessan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470307042061471744

at last it moved from Malaysia, to me it was looking like they were having fun over there not moving anymore.