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Ideally the replacement of a Sea King should be the Merlin, but it is expensive.
The best Alternate will be the NH-90 for PN.
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Ideally the replacement of a Sea King should be the Merlin, but it is expensive.
The best Alternate will be the NH-90 for PN.
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In terms of helicopters, I wouldn't look at the specific countries because most systems are built via consortium. But of the companies willing to sell to Pakistan, there's Leonardo and Airbus Helicopters. Leonardo is offering the AW159 and probably AW101 and NH-90.
Indeed. Interesting note: the NH-90 has a rear ramp too.
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In light of recent events and threats Pakistan should try and speed up the delivery and construction of the those 8 x SSK and 4 x FFG
and even the 4 x Ada class
If we start pushing and add in more resources maybe we can shave a few years off the delivery
Also with the FFG from China we should seriously consider enlarging the deck and hanger to accommodate a larger ASW helicopter
One of the most modern Z18 might be out of the equation but certainly we can't do with those short legged Z9C helicopters for ASW they are pretty useless
Indian submarine threat is real and I don't know why PN spend billions on certain assets and spoil the deal by signing up to a less than standard ASW helicopter
PN needs to establish a ASW squadron 12-14 medium sized helicopters and mix them with Z18F ASW/Z18C/ Z18J AEW
have them cross based on land and ship
and even the 4 x Ada class
If we start pushing and add in more resources maybe we can shave a few years off the delivery
Also with the FFG from China we should seriously consider enlarging the deck and hanger to accommodate a larger ASW helicopter
One of the most modern Z18 might be out of the equation but certainly we can't do with those short legged Z9C helicopters for ASW they are pretty useless
Indian submarine threat is real and I don't know why PN spend billions on certain assets and spoil the deal by signing up to a less than standard ASW helicopter
PN needs to establish a ASW squadron 12-14 medium sized helicopters and mix them with Z18F ASW/Z18C/ Z18J AEW
have them cross based on land and ship
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The interview with Yonca-Onuk Shipyard's Vice Chairman of the Board Dr. Ekber ONUK , included in the IDEAS 2018 Special File in the 171th issue of MSI Magazine is shared on the MSI's website:
http://www.milscint.com/tr/ideas-20...ca-onuk-tersanesi-ezber-bozmaya-devam-edecek/
MSI Magazine: Can you tell us about the latest status of your activities in Pakistan?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: We signed our first contract with Pakistan in 2001. We gave 2 YONCA ONUK MRTP 15 class boats to Pakistan Special Forces. The Special Forces were extremely satisfied with these boats and used them well. After then, Pakistan asked for YONCA ONUK MRTP 33s as a platform to carry guided missiles and 2 of them were delivered.
During IDEAS 2016, we reviewed the state of the MRTP 15s. Of course, as time goes by, the systems on the platforms are getting old. We asked to Pakistani officials, " if send these boats to Istanbul, then we can renew them like the first day." It took some time to impose this proposal; but finally they accepted. The renovation work turned into a very successful project. The engines of the two boats that were delivered 14 years ago have changed; Updated 2000 series engines were put. Almost all systems have changed. Everything has been renewed. And last week, we delivered these boots as if they were like produced today. In the next 15 years, these boats have been able to successfully serve.
We see Pakistan as outside of our trade, but more like friends. While we were modernizing these boats, we spent more money than we actually billed them. On the other hand, instead of they intended to buy a new one, with one-third of the money , PN now have 2 extraordinary boats.
This study proved that: Yonca-Onuk stands behind the platforms it produces, even if 15-20 years. Moreover, these platforms are state-of-art and they maintain their structural integrity always. This is also a confirmation of our commitment to our users.
MSI Magazine: When we look at the works of PN - YONCA ONUK MRTP 15s, which features come to the fore in terms of its design?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: Because of I came from the automotive industry, I believe in open-ended architecture. If failing to prevent your solutions being outdated after a few years, You dont have right approach . We take care that our solution has an open-ended architecture and future-oriented infrastructure. The engineering team we have trained is approaching everything with this concept.
Although PN boats are slightly smaller, now they carry almost all the characteristics of an MRTP 20.
Another factor that makes all this possible is the robustness of the composite boat. We offer a 40-year warranty on structural features. As a matter of fact, during the mid life renovation, only the boat part of the boats had to be painted.
MSI Magazine: Are new projects for Pakistan on the agenda?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: There are demands from Pakistan Naval Forces Command about the fast missile platforms that Pakistan needs. We continue our work to take these and send them by adding our own opinions. Yonca-Onuk Shipyard does not have a habit of making a one-to-one request without questioning it. We have an expertise and experienced team who can see how the task is better done. The advanced composite technologies we have and the dominance of our weapons and systems allow us to take this approach.
At the moment, we are preparing to respond to the information request document from the Pakistani authorities with at least 10 years future foreseen projection. This approach also affected the user.
A more defensive task force consists of large platforms. As the platforms grow, their resources gets bigger for protection. The loss of the big platform in any way, is a very heavy blow for the loser both morally and potentially. But it is possible to create much more effective solutions with small and capable platforms especially in terms of assault. When I'm traveling, I always watch documentary channels and I see there are lions, afraid of hyenas; hyenas are also afraid of African dogs.
Therefore, as my son Kaan says, a power consisting of smart and organized platforms, will create a huge threat to large platforms. We know this very well. We tell this to customers who believe in us.
MSI Magazine: Can you give us some clues about your work in the upcoming period?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: One day , they asked to Ferdinand Porsche, " You have many great designs, which one do you like the most? He answered: "The next one!" .
We are working on our next boat and we believe it will be much better than before.
Today, there is no military platform that is 20-to-25 meters and 65 knots on the world, apart from ours. Only there are those, who say " I will". We have new goals; but it is unbelievably unusual right now. When we catch our goals, we will show you. You will see a performance that no one in the world has ever achieved. Within 2 years, we'll show you new generation naval platform at a speed that no one else in the world has ever seen.
Our MRTP series boats are the technology leader in the world. It has been so far, it will continue to be in the future.
(This interview has not been published in English yet. There may be errors in the translation as I do not have much time. I apologize in advance.)
For more : http://www.milscint.com/en
http://www.milscint.com/tr/ideas-20...ca-onuk-tersanesi-ezber-bozmaya-devam-edecek/
MSI Magazine: Can you tell us about the latest status of your activities in Pakistan?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: We signed our first contract with Pakistan in 2001. We gave 2 YONCA ONUK MRTP 15 class boats to Pakistan Special Forces. The Special Forces were extremely satisfied with these boats and used them well. After then, Pakistan asked for YONCA ONUK MRTP 33s as a platform to carry guided missiles and 2 of them were delivered.
During IDEAS 2016, we reviewed the state of the MRTP 15s. Of course, as time goes by, the systems on the platforms are getting old. We asked to Pakistani officials, " if send these boats to Istanbul, then we can renew them like the first day." It took some time to impose this proposal; but finally they accepted. The renovation work turned into a very successful project. The engines of the two boats that were delivered 14 years ago have changed; Updated 2000 series engines were put. Almost all systems have changed. Everything has been renewed. And last week, we delivered these boots as if they were like produced today. In the next 15 years, these boats have been able to successfully serve.
We see Pakistan as outside of our trade, but more like friends. While we were modernizing these boats, we spent more money than we actually billed them. On the other hand, instead of they intended to buy a new one, with one-third of the money , PN now have 2 extraordinary boats.
This study proved that: Yonca-Onuk stands behind the platforms it produces, even if 15-20 years. Moreover, these platforms are state-of-art and they maintain their structural integrity always. This is also a confirmation of our commitment to our users.
MSI Magazine: When we look at the works of PN - YONCA ONUK MRTP 15s, which features come to the fore in terms of its design?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: Because of I came from the automotive industry, I believe in open-ended architecture. If failing to prevent your solutions being outdated after a few years, You dont have right approach . We take care that our solution has an open-ended architecture and future-oriented infrastructure. The engineering team we have trained is approaching everything with this concept.
Although PN boats are slightly smaller, now they carry almost all the characteristics of an MRTP 20.
Another factor that makes all this possible is the robustness of the composite boat. We offer a 40-year warranty on structural features. As a matter of fact, during the mid life renovation, only the boat part of the boats had to be painted.
MSI Magazine: Are new projects for Pakistan on the agenda?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: There are demands from Pakistan Naval Forces Command about the fast missile platforms that Pakistan needs. We continue our work to take these and send them by adding our own opinions. Yonca-Onuk Shipyard does not have a habit of making a one-to-one request without questioning it. We have an expertise and experienced team who can see how the task is better done. The advanced composite technologies we have and the dominance of our weapons and systems allow us to take this approach.
At the moment, we are preparing to respond to the information request document from the Pakistani authorities with at least 10 years future foreseen projection. This approach also affected the user.
A more defensive task force consists of large platforms. As the platforms grow, their resources gets bigger for protection. The loss of the big platform in any way, is a very heavy blow for the loser both morally and potentially. But it is possible to create much more effective solutions with small and capable platforms especially in terms of assault. When I'm traveling, I always watch documentary channels and I see there are lions, afraid of hyenas; hyenas are also afraid of African dogs.
Therefore, as my son Kaan says, a power consisting of smart and organized platforms, will create a huge threat to large platforms. We know this very well. We tell this to customers who believe in us.
MSI Magazine: Can you give us some clues about your work in the upcoming period?
Dr. Ekber ONUK: One day , they asked to Ferdinand Porsche, " You have many great designs, which one do you like the most? He answered: "The next one!" .
We are working on our next boat and we believe it will be much better than before.
Today, there is no military platform that is 20-to-25 meters and 65 knots on the world, apart from ours. Only there are those, who say " I will". We have new goals; but it is unbelievably unusual right now. When we catch our goals, we will show you. You will see a performance that no one in the world has ever achieved. Within 2 years, we'll show you new generation naval platform at a speed that no one else in the world has ever seen.
Our MRTP series boats are the technology leader in the world. It has been so far, it will continue to be in the future.
(This interview has not been published in English yet. There may be errors in the translation as I do not have much time. I apologize in advance.)
For more : http://www.milscint.com/en
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Vice Chief of Joint Staff, Japan Self Defence Forces, Lt Gen Takashi Motomatsu called on Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi during his visit to Naval Headquarters Islamabad.
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The NAVDEX 2019 waterfront and marina has played host to visiting warships and a dynamic waterborne display all week. Visitors have had a chance to see the UAE Critical Infrastructure and Coastal Protection Agency’s new offshore patrol vessel Hmeem, and frontline ships from Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the UK and the US. Other highlights have included fast boat demonstrations, and displays of the SwarmDiver.
On the waterfront [IDEX19D5]
21 February 2019
The NAVDEX 2019 waterfront and marina has played host to visiting warships and a dynamic waterborne display all week. Visitors have had a chance to see the UAE Critical Infrastructure and Coastal Protection Agency’s new offshore patrol vessel Hmeem, and frontline ships from Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the UK and the US. Other highlights have included fast boat demonstrations, and displays of the SwarmDiver.
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Chinese ships participate as multinational naval exercise kicks off in Pakistan
By Wang Bozun in Karachi Source:Globaltimes.cn Published: 2019/2/9 15:05:05
China's naval supply ship Luomahu is seen at the Karachi port, Pakistan, on Friday night. PLA Navy is participating the five-day Pakistan-led multinational naval exercise Aman 19 in Karachi. Photo: Wang Bozun/GT
The sixth Pakistan-led multinational maritime naval drills, Aman 19, kicked off on Friday at the Pakistan Navy Dockyard in Karachi with a colorful flag hoisting ceremony, with navies and observers from 46 countries including China, Russia and the US participating in the five-day exercise.
China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA Navy), which has participated in all previous Aman exercises, arrived at the Karachi Navy Dockyard on Thursday.
A commander of the PLA Navy who requested anonymity said the PLA Navy sent two warships from the 998 Fleet to participate in the exercise, which consists of a Kunlunshan amphibious transport dock and the supply ship Luomahu.
The two Chinese warships and more than 500 Chinese naval soldiers will engage in joint exercises, which include anti-piracy exercises and maritime interception.
The exercises "provide not only medium security challenges but also enhance interoperability among navies at different levels of technological power to come together and secure a safe and sustainable maritime environment," Chief of the Pakistani Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi said during the opening ceremony.
"I look forward to successful and rewarding exercises and thank all the participants who have traveled great distances to be our worthy guests and invaluable partners in pursuit of peace," the naval chief said.
The concept of the exercises is to develop responses, tactics, techniques and procedures (RTTPs) against non-traditional threats through tactical warfare planning, according to the Pakistan Navy.
Pakistan Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi welcomed the navies of participating nations for a common resolve of "Together for Peace."
"While we talk of operating together, let us be mindful of the threats and challenges that we face at sea. These range from piracy to terrorism to climate change," the admiral said.
Ahead of the opening ceremony, armed guards were visible on the streets to secure the area.
Starting 2007, Exercise Aman has regularly been conducted every two years (the Aman 15 was not held in 2015 due to some operational commitments of the Pakistan Navy). This year's edition is scheduled from February 8 to 12, where over 45 countries are participating with ships and observers.
The exercises have two major phases: harbor and sea phases. Harbor activities include seminars, discussions and demonstrations. A three-day international maritime conference will also be held on the topic, "Global geopolitics in transition and rethinking maritime dynamics in the Indian Ocean region."
Maritime activities include high-end warfare serials at sea, such as naval gunfire, anti-piracy, operations, combined anti-submarine exercises, communications, boarding and air defense.
The Pakistan Navy has 60 warships, including four F-22P frigates from China, according to Rashid Nazir Choudhary, a Pakistan Navy commander. Four more advanced warships are under construction and will be delivered by 2021, he said.
Posted by Coatepeque at 9:12 PM
By Wang Bozun in Karachi Source:Globaltimes.cn Published: 2019/2/9 15:05:05
China's naval supply ship Luomahu is seen at the Karachi port, Pakistan, on Friday night. PLA Navy is participating the five-day Pakistan-led multinational naval exercise Aman 19 in Karachi. Photo: Wang Bozun/GT
The sixth Pakistan-led multinational maritime naval drills, Aman 19, kicked off on Friday at the Pakistan Navy Dockyard in Karachi with a colorful flag hoisting ceremony, with navies and observers from 46 countries including China, Russia and the US participating in the five-day exercise.
China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA Navy), which has participated in all previous Aman exercises, arrived at the Karachi Navy Dockyard on Thursday.
A commander of the PLA Navy who requested anonymity said the PLA Navy sent two warships from the 998 Fleet to participate in the exercise, which consists of a Kunlunshan amphibious transport dock and the supply ship Luomahu.
The two Chinese warships and more than 500 Chinese naval soldiers will engage in joint exercises, which include anti-piracy exercises and maritime interception.
The exercises "provide not only medium security challenges but also enhance interoperability among navies at different levels of technological power to come together and secure a safe and sustainable maritime environment," Chief of the Pakistani Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi said during the opening ceremony.
"I look forward to successful and rewarding exercises and thank all the participants who have traveled great distances to be our worthy guests and invaluable partners in pursuit of peace," the naval chief said.
The concept of the exercises is to develop responses, tactics, techniques and procedures (RTTPs) against non-traditional threats through tactical warfare planning, according to the Pakistan Navy.
Pakistan Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi welcomed the navies of participating nations for a common resolve of "Together for Peace."
"While we talk of operating together, let us be mindful of the threats and challenges that we face at sea. These range from piracy to terrorism to climate change," the admiral said.
Ahead of the opening ceremony, armed guards were visible on the streets to secure the area.
Starting 2007, Exercise Aman has regularly been conducted every two years (the Aman 15 was not held in 2015 due to some operational commitments of the Pakistan Navy). This year's edition is scheduled from February 8 to 12, where over 45 countries are participating with ships and observers.
The exercises have two major phases: harbor and sea phases. Harbor activities include seminars, discussions and demonstrations. A three-day international maritime conference will also be held on the topic, "Global geopolitics in transition and rethinking maritime dynamics in the Indian Ocean region."
Maritime activities include high-end warfare serials at sea, such as naval gunfire, anti-piracy, operations, combined anti-submarine exercises, communications, boarding and air defense.
The Pakistan Navy has 60 warships, including four F-22P frigates from China, according to Rashid Nazir Choudhary, a Pakistan Navy commander. Four more advanced warships are under construction and will be delivered by 2021, he said.
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Two i beleive, we have 2 Griffon 8000TD crafts.
The number of 2000 series crafts is also told to be from 4 to 12 at different sites and discussions. I am personally aware of four only.
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