Pakistan Navy has only 3 submarines operational at a time: Top Indian Navy officer

[Mitro]

Are Bhai before one PN sub was enough now you guys have 3 .
So most of IN vessel will be hiding on the dock .

 

[syed_yusuf]

Actually as per latest CAG report at least 5 our of our 9 Kilos are available in addition to 3 out of our 4 Type209/1500.
And 1 Scorpene (plus two more fully completed Scorpene UN advanced sea trials).
Last week Russia completed INS Chakra sonar dome fixing make it fully operational.

So we have 10 submarines which means we dominate Pakistan in submarines 3:1.


Actually IN has at least 10 operational subs at a given time

Please provide the source of ur claim on Indian Navy sub readiness

 

[Ultima Thule]

2028 for all 8 subs.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/eigh...e-handed-to-pak-navy-starting-in-2022.446151/ @randomradio

 

[Areesh]

Lol.
Last two are not even subs.
Also Chakra and Arihant dint have any tragic fate they never had any major accidents and Russia repaired chakra for just $ 15 million.

Multiple ID rat is back @waz @The Eagle @Oscar

 

[S.Y.A]

I dont know why we are feeling hurt over this comment. As seniors like Oscar and MastanKhan pointed out, this statement is true. And there is no denying that IN outnumbers PN, so why is everyone bashing the poor guy?

 

[Bossman]

The Indian Admiral has not checked Google Earth lately. It is very rare to see all 5 Pakistani subs in the harbor together. 4 are docked and obviously operational. The 5th one is the Khalid going through upgrade at the PN Dockyard all 5 are visible.

 

[Taygibay]

Please provide the source of ur claim on Indian Navy sub readiness

While our neighbour is ruffling feathers,
his numbers are "reasonably right" but
his 10 to 1 ratio versus PakNavy is not.

India's 10 subs have to do more, a lot
more than Pakistan's 3. S73 is special
with a specific patrol range/area while
S71 is likely to escort a carrier at sea.

The Kalvaris not being active yet, we're
left with Sindhughosh and Shishumar.
4 of the former are based East to defend
a crowded zone with a lot of traffic. The
remaining 5 and the latter are all Mumbai
based and so seemingly aimed at Pakistan.

But again, they don't "only do" Pakistan;
their missions vary and the area to be
covered is not the same. 4 subs for all of
the waters East of India is not so much
which means some in Mumbai patrol the
south & south-west of the Indian ocean.

Pakistan's supposed 3 available subs on
the other hand have the Northern Arabian
sea to defend and protect. And not even
the whole of it if you consider the amount
of foreign mil units always present from
the gulf of Aden to the Gulfs of Oman and
Persian one.

In fact, we know that a naval war would be
very regulated and supervised by powers
that be of all kind with a huge diplomatic
framework at play. Seeing how unlikely a
two-front attack is ( Neither Iran nor UAE will join
India and the rest is not up to it. ), Pakistan is in fact
able to defend mostly along the borderline
towards the gulf of Kutch.

If we have one sub active and two at relative
readiness, Pakistan is in a comfortable situa-
tion if we see it from a defensive position. In
fact, it is a clear enough case of how battle is
also waged with preparation as the availability
rates of differently sized fleet can come to a
similar number of units impacting tactical use.

BTW, with 5 incidents for the 9 Sindhus in the
last 10 years, Pakistanis can check major bugs
on the Agostas and be quite proud.

And a great day to all, Tay.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

The Indian Admiral has not checked Google Earth lately. It is very rare to see all 5 Pakistani subs in the harbor together. 4 are docked and obviously operational. The 5th one is the Khalid going through upgrade at the PN Dockyard all 5 are visible.View attachment 463127

which place is this

 

[Ultima Thule]

which place is this

Karachi Naval docks @Reichsmarschall

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Karachi Naval docks @Reichsmarschall

stop banging your head

 

[Ultima Thule]

stop banging your head

So why you ask this stupid question @Reichsmarschall

 

[somebozo]

The remaining three will magically appear from no where to surprise Indian navy

 

[CHI RULES]

While our neighbour is ruffling feathers,
his numbers are "reasonably right" but
his 10 to 1 ratio versus PakNavy is not.

India's 10 subs have to do more, a lot
more than Pakistan's 3. S73 is special
with a specific patrol range/area while
S71 is likely to escort a carrier at sea.

The Kalvaris not being active yet, we're
left with Sindhughosh and Shishumar.
4 of the former are based East to defend
a crowded zone with a lot of traffic. The
remaining 5 and the latter are all Mumbai
based and so seemingly aimed at Pakistan.

But again, they don't "only do" Pakistan;
their missions vary and the area to be
covered is not the same. 4 subs for all of
the waters East of India is not so much
which means some in Mumbai patrol the
south & south-west of the Indian ocean.

Pakistan's supposed 3 available subs on
the other hand have the Northern Arabian
sea to defend and protect. And not even
the whole of it if you consider the amount
of foreign mil units always present from
the gulf of Aden to the Gulfs of Oman and
Persian one.

In fact, we know that a naval war would be
very regulated and supervised by powers
that be of all kind with a huge diplomatic
framework at play. Seeing how unlikely a
two-front attack is ( Neither Iran nor UAE will join
India and the rest is not up to it. ), Pakistan is in fact
able to defend mostly along the borderline
towards the gulf of Kutch.

If we have one sub active and two at relative
readiness, Pakistan is in a comfortable situa-
tion if we see it from a defensive position. In
fact, it is a clear enough case of how battle is
also waged with preparation as the availability
rates of differently sized fleet can come to a
similar number of units impacting tactical use.

BTW, with 5 incidents for the 9 Sindhus in the
last 10 years, Pakistanis can check major bugs
on the Agostas and be quite proud.

And a great day to all, Tay.

Sir may be Iran shall not allow combat operations fro Chah bahar yet surveillance from there can't be ruled out.

 

[Taygibay]

Of course, Chi and especially in peace time,
surveillance and tactical preparedness for all
potential opponents should be had.

But any action by as you said Iran would be
covered by very paranoid ships from CTF 150
& 152 and possibly additional units from blue
waters powers US/UK/France and even Russia.

If we can't rule out an Iranian attack along the
one by India, then we can't rule out an attack
by say the GCC & friends on Iran on that same
occasion.

As for their surveillance on Pakistani subs, let's
just say that the equipment isn't there quite yet.
P-3Fs and SH-3s circa 1970s aren't enough.

Best of days to you and yours, Tay.

 

[ghazi768]

A senior officer of the Indian Navy downplayed reports of threat posed by Pakistan's submarine arm.

I think what is not mentioned is more important. To my knowledge there is no credible defence either in weapons or tactics against a modern wire-guided heavyweight torpedo..

Indian Kilos were said to be going through refit but can non-refit ones fire a wire-guided torpedo? the scorpene they commissioned and are training on must have 'widened' the understanding and horizons and hence fear as well. Knowledge is a double edged sword.