Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

[Arsalan]

PN Atlantic firing Exocet Missile.

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These were pretty awesome planes of there age, decent firepower!!

Any one here thinks that PN should go for some Chinese Maritime Patrol aircraft and anti-submarine aircraft in shape of Y-8? these will support our aging fleet of P3C

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Let it remain a mystery....

These were pretty awesome planes of there age, decent firepower!!

Any one here thinks that PN should go for some Chinese Maritime Patrol aircraft and anti-submarine aircraft in shape of Y-8? these will support our aging fleet of P3C

To be a force multiplier ATR's should be added so that PN can continue with the French systems. The P3C's have a longer range then the ATR's.

 

[Arsalan]

To be a force multiplier ATR's should be added so that PN can continue with the French systems. The P3C's have a longer range then the ATR's.

European system, will be difficult to get, expensive to acquire, sanction prone, with French dealing with Indian on some mega deals i see this very unlikely to happen. What do you think?
Also by "so that PN can continue with the French systems" are you referring to Exocet missiles?

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

European system, will be difficult to get, expensive to acquire, sanction prone, with French dealing with Indian on some mega deals i see this very unlikely to happen. What do you think?
Also by "so that PN can continue with the French systems" are you referring to Exocet missiles?

PN is already operating ATR's and so does PIA. The Systems that are available are French and Turkish so there is a choice.
ATR 72 ASW performs Anti-Submarine and Anti-Surface warfare, in addition to standard Maritime Patrol Capabilities. ATR 72 ASW is provided with sono-buoys launcher, Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD), Chaff and Flare, depth charge, torpedoes and antiship missiles. A Maritime Patrol version of ATR 72 is also available.

Though Exocet has been upgraded to MM40 Block 3.
Missile systems, defence systems - MBDA missiles

If you are considering India's mega deals with France then you should get latest info. Naval subs contract is gone to Germany. The Rafale deals is now in doldrums because the funds are required to make protective hanger for SU-30 MKI's.
Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21olitics :Videos

 

[Arsalan]

PN is already operating ATR's and so does PIA. The Systems that are available are French and Turkish so there is a choice.
View attachment 226049 ATR 72 ASW performs Anti-Submarine and Anti-Surface warfare, in addition to standard Maritime Patrol Capabilities. ATR 72 ASW is provided with sono-buoys launcher, Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD), Chaff and Flare, depth charge, torpedoes and antiship missiles. A Maritime Patrol version of ATR 72 is also available.

Though Exocet has been upgraded to MM40 Block 3.
Missile systems, defence systems - MBDA missiles

If you are considering India's mega deals with France then you should get latest info. Naval subs contract is gone to Germany. The Rafale deals is now in doldrums because the funds are required to make protective hanger for SU-30 MKI's.
Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21olitics :Videos

Again, by "so that PN can continue with the French systems" are you referring to Exocet missiles?

AS for the Indian French deals, you cannot count the rafale deal as a total lost case. They still are going for planes from France, ave a large Mirage fleet and the Rafale, as i said is not a totally lost case. It is very likely that with LCA FOC delayed further IAF will go for more Rafales. Do not take the statement of that DM that seriously, that is they same stupid person who openly admitted Indian sponsoring of terrorism in Pakistan! Also the very next day there was another statement by him claiming that IAF have option of getting more Rafale and may exercise that. So if by LATEST INFO you think that every thing is finalized now and everyone have played there hand and the table is stacked in our favor, unfortunately that is not the case.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

PN P-3C Launching Harpoon Missile.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Again, by "so that PN can continue with the French systems" are you referring to Exocet missiles?

AS for the Indian French deals, you cannot count the rafale deal as a total lost case. They still are going for planes from France, ave a large Mirage fleet and the Rafale, as i said is not a totally lost case. It is very likely that with LCA FOC delayed further IAF will go for more Rafales. Do not take the statement of that DM that seriously, that is they same stupid person who openly admitted Indian sponsoring of terrorism in Pakistan! Also the very next day there was another statement by him claiming that IAF have option of getting more Rafale and may exercise that. So if by LATEST INFO you think that every thing is finalized now and everyone have played there hand and the table is stacked in our favor, unfortunately that is not the case.

YES. French system is the updated Exocet. Though there is an other system that is being tested.

Rafale's are not going to come because if they do come it would be the last nail in the coffin for "MADE IN INDIA" policy. India would be going for LCA at all cost with or without the FOC.

The time is of an essence for USA to offer the F-35's to India with a production line. Chances are that this is highly likely. This aircraft is going to solve the IAF and IN problems and would also allow USA to show China that if they try to arm Pakistan so they can arm India.

If you are considering the possibility of USA giving India the option of firing Nuclear missiles then that would come from Israel. Even if India is not given (hypothetically) still Su-30 MKI's can do the job in a high low mix with the F-35's.

USA would like to have India in their pockets because that would allow them to deny Asian domination. They would single handedly tell China and Russia that they are still a world power and they shall remain.

 

[Arsalan]

YES. French system is the updated Exocet. Though there is an other system that is being tested.

Rafale's are not going to come because if they do come it would be the last nail in the coffin for "MADE IN INDIA" policy. India would be going for LCA at all cost with or without the FOC.

The time is of an essence for USA to offer the F-35's to India with a production line. Chances are that this is highly likely. This aircraft is going to solve the IAF and IN problems and would also allow USA to show China that if they try to arm Pakistan so they can arm India.

If you are considering the possibility of USA giving India the option of firing Nuclear missiles then that would come from Israel. Even if India is not given (hypothetically) still Su-30 MKI's can do the job in a high low mix with the F-35's.

USA would like to have India in their pockets because that would allow them to deny Asian domination. They would single handedly tell China and Russia that they are still a world power and they shall remain.

This is all based on gut feeling as of now. I agree that US arming India to challenge China is plausible, highly likely to be true but saying that all this will end the future of Rafale in IAF is not right. Indian were not stupid to induct this in such small number. What is the role of 36 Rafales specially considering the very fact that Su-30 MKI do the job very well. Specially if the future of IAF lies with F-35.

As for US support, personally i feel that it will initially come in form of support for LCA. The engine we have already seen, next may be some weapon system, radar, EW suites? not to hurt Indians but HAL have really let them down and IAF may end up with Local LCA with maximum imported components. F-35 will take some time.

As for the French deal, as mentioned, Rafale deal still have ample life left, there still is a large Mirage Fleet with good business prospects and plenty of other things. We cannot ignore the fact that Indians are spending big currently and it will be difficult for Pakistan to offer a better market to the Europeans.

As for Exocet, any idea about the numbers PN currently possess?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

European system, will be difficult to get, expensive to acquire, sanction prone, with French dealing with Indian on some mega deals i see this very unlikely to happen. What do you think?
Also by "so that PN can continue with the French systems" are you referring to Exocet missiles?

Turkish Meltem systems for the ATR's..

 

[kaku1]

Again, by "so that PN can continue with the French systems" are you referring to Exocet missiles?

AS for the Indian French deals, you cannot count the rafale deal as a total lost case. They still are going for planes from France, ave a large Mirage fleet and the Rafale, as i said is not a totally lost case. It is very likely that with LCA FOC delayed further IAF will go for more Rafales. Do not take the statement of that DM that seriously, that is they same stupid person who openly admitted Indian sponsoring of terrorism in Pakistan! Also the very next day there was another statement by him claiming that IAF have option of getting more Rafale and may exercise that. So if by LATEST INFO you think that every thing is finalized now and everyone have played there hand and the table is stacked in our favor, unfortunately that is not the case.

Dont call him idiot, he is alumni of IIT Bombay.

And in last 6 month all the decision he made as a Raksha Mantri, all were logical, and not a single one was politically influenced, for vote bank he can go with MMRCA and further embolden Make in Inda, but logics say no, so he scrapped.

But yes, as a politician, he is little bit idiot.

India would be going for LCA at all cost with or without the FOC.

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Let be clear, without FoC, IAF not going to procure the aircraft. Never did this in past, not it going to do in future.

But still Mk.1 definitely end up in 150-160 number in IAF .

Mig-27 going to retire, needed some aircraft to replace this as CAS. And even there is requirement of 70-80 for LIFT.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

As for Exocet, any idea about the numbers PN currently possess?

No idea...

As for US support, personally i feel that it will initially come in form of support for LCA. The engine we have already seen, next may be some weapon system, radar, EW suites? not to hurt Indians but HAL have really let them down and IAF may end up with Local LCA with maximum imported components. F-35 will take some time.

The only support USA would be giving in this regards is Engines. The rest would come from Israel.

Let be clear, without FoC, IAF not going to procure the aircraft. Never did this in past, not it going to do in future.

But still Mk.1 definitely end up in 150-160 number in IAF .

Mig-27 going to retire, needed some aircraft to replace this as CAS. And even there is requirement of 70-80 for LIFT.

Yes I agree...
The LIFT capability can be done with the MK-1 but those would not end in IAF fighter squadron. MK-2 would be procured or the Naval variant.

 

[Arsalan]

Dont call him idiot, he is alumni of IIT Bombay.

And in last 6 month all the decision he made as a Raksha Mantri, all were logical, and not a single one was politically influenced, for vote bank he can go with MMRCA and further embolden Make in Inda, but logics say no, so he scrapped.

But yes, as a politician, he is little bit idiot.
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Well i am not aware of his performance as your RAKSHA MANTRI but if he is doing good for you that that is enough for you to defend him. However, as you yourself admit, this particular statement that we are debating on was quite a stupid act. No harm in admitting that we both have our share of such big mouthed politicians

 

[fatman17]

No idea...



The only support USA would be giving in this regards is Engines. The rest would come from Israel.


Yes I agree...
The LIFT capability can be done with the MK-1 but those would not end in IAF fighter squadron. MK-2 would be procured or the Naval variant.

Have sufficient numbers but need upgrades

 

[Super Falcon]

YES. French system is the updated Exocet. Though there is an other system that is being tested.

Rafale's are not going to come because if they do come it would be the last nail in the coffin for "MADE IN INDIA" policy. India would be going for LCA at all cost with or without the FOC.

The time is of an essence for USA to offer the F-35's to India with a production line. Chances are that this is highly likely. This aircraft is going to solve the IAF and IN problems and would also allow USA to show China that if they try to arm Pakistan so they can arm India.

If you are considering the possibility of USA giving India the option of firing Nuclear missiles then that would come from Israel. Even if India is not given (hypothetically) still Su-30 MKI's can do the job in a high low mix with the F-35's.

USA would like to have India in their pockets because that would allow them to deny Asian domination. They would single handedly tell China and Russia that they are still a world power and they shall remain.

So it means india will become dog role when said to bark will bark when put foot on its tail will stop barking very good

 

[Inception-06]

What is now the status of the Pakistani ATR- are they upgraded and in service ? Or just parked in hangars ?