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If PN is dropping the AW platforms then more then likely talks have already taken place for Z-20 with positive response / feedback. In this scenario, IMHO the odd probably be high for PA to also acquire Z-20 to replace older UH-1s and or PUMA Helis, now depending upon numbers needed could there be the possible chance of local assembly ?
Very much doubt local assembly.If PN is dropping the AW platforms then more then likely talks have already taken place for Z-20 with positive response / feedback. In this scenario, IMHO the odd probably be high for PA to also acquire Z-20 to replace older UH-1s and or PUMA Helis, now depending upon numbers needed could there be the possible chance of local assembly ?
No UH1 in PA. Bell 412sIf PN is dropping the AW platforms then more then likely talks have already taken place for Z-20 with positive response / feedback. In this scenario, IMHO the odd probably be high for PA to also acquire Z-20 to replace older UH-1s and or PUMA Helis, now depending upon numbers needed could there be the possible chance of local assembly ?
If accurate, then it's not surprising. The PN always liked the S-70i/UH-60R. One platform that can handle everything from shipborne ASW/AShW to CSAR/SAR, general utility, and commando/troop operations. Currently, the Z-20 is the closest to that from a concept standpoint. But I think the Z-20's availability is a serious blocker as the PLAN probably has a massive backorder.
May I know what do you mean by “unproven”? AFAIK, we select a platform based on the parameters we set. Z-20 is as unproven as a Z-10 but I believe they’ll undergo rigorous testing and if need be, tailored in accordance with our needs, before induction.If accurate then I would say this is not a good move.
1) We will be first non-Chinese user of a relatively unproven platform
2) We will need to now set up a seperate logistics/training pipeline
3) We will also now need to pay for integration and testing of western systems on the Z-20 that can be compatible with MILGEM systems, this will take time and money.
Should of gone for Augusta set up.
May I know what do you mean by “unproven”? AFAIK, we select a platform based on the parameters we set. Z-20 is as unproven as a Z-10 but I believe they’ll undergo rigorous testing and if need be, tailored in accordance with our needs, before induction.
China will not give local assembly..If PN is dropping the AW platforms then more then likely talks have already taken place for Z-20 with positive response / feedback. In this scenario, IMHO the odd probably be high for PA to also acquire Z-20 to replace older UH-1s and or PUMA Helis, now depending upon numbers needed could there be the possible chance of local assembly ?
May be cost is the issue and uniform plateform for all forcesIf accurate then I would say this is not a good move.
1) We will be first non-Chinese user of a relatively unproven platform
2) We will need to now set up a seperate logistics/training pipeline
3) We will also now need to pay for integration and testing of western systems on the Z-20 that can be compatible with MILGEM systems, this will take time and money.
Should of gone for Augusta set up.
Thank you, I stand corrected.No UH1 in PA. Bell 412s
In coming years we need replacement of Mi 17 as well for PAA as wellZ-20 Seems like a great Platform , not as sleek as pretty as Augusta
It is a Practical Multi Purpose Chopper
JF17 and J10 were also unproven 12 years ago but now there are 150+ Thunders and 200+ J10 fying world wide with Thousand of proven hours
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If Z-20 is not immediately available the Italian Choppers would be ideal choice
The Augusta Choppers are still good for Land based transport recon role
China will not give local assembly..
May be cost is the issue and uniform plateform for all forces
IMO it is "another type" added into the mix for the short term...in the long run PAF and PA can also standardize on this platform.Yes, maybe cost but Z-20 looks like a big and expensive machine, it will bring yet ANOTHER helicopter type into Pakistan armed forces though.
I thought it may of been a good idea for all of PAF/PA/PN to standardize on the AW139 as their medium lift chopper but PN has thought otherwise....,