Pakistan is expected to order its JF-17 Block-III in 2017.

[BHarwana]

With Max 9 tons plus max thrust (compare with 8.3 tons of RD93)and 3000 thousands hours life span, TBO every 1000 fly hours. Most importantly, no smoke produced. Even more importantly, no political strings attached.

This is good news with an improved engine JF will be a hell of a platform. Do you have any info on china acquiring TOT for 3D thrust vectoring from Russia. I read the news once on Sputnik but never hear about it again. If china gains access to that tech this will be a whole new ball game.

 

[帅的一匹]

This is good news with an improved engine JF will be a hell of a platform. Do you have any info on china acquiring TOT for 3D thrust vectoring from Russia. I read the news once on Sputnik but never hear about it again. If china gains access to that tech this will be a whole new ball game.

WS15 has 3D TVC is under test, and AL41 engine sure will provide some reference and comparison. China will make huge breakthrough on fighter engine around year 2019.

 

[Akasa]

Induction of JF-17B in April? First flight has not yet been conducted; is this a record of the fastest flight-to-service time or what?

 

[Tank131]

A few things of note.
1. Saab is making a big push for Gripen E for India. If that is the case would Selex Leonardo pull out of The JF-17 Deal if Gripen selected given the Raven ES-05 on Gripen E is a derivative of the Vixen 1000E on offer to PAF?

2. If the Chinese KLJ-7A is a development (as has been speculated) of ELM-2052 from Israel, does Selex even have a chance?

3. As Turkey is developing a Turkish equivalent of the SABR radar, would it be on offer for PAF for their F-16 (to upgrade them to V status) and furthermore, would it be able tp be modified to be used on JF-17, Which would be a huge boon for Pakistan as it would enable local AESA manufacturing leading to improved local r&d for avionics, and would benefit Turkey tremendously as a Turkish SABR variant on JF-17 leads to a legitimate chance of marketing to more modern airforces like Morocco, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.

 

[BHarwana]

A few things of note.
1. Saab is making a big push for Gripen E for India. If that is the case would Selex Leonardo pull out of The JF-17 Deal if Gripen selected given the Raven ES-05 on Gripen E is a derivative of the Vixen 1000E on offer to PAF?

2. If the Chinese KLJ-7A is a development (as has been speculated) of ELM-2052 from Israel, does Selex even have a chance?

3. As Turkey is developing a Turkish equivalent of the SABR radar, would it be on offer for PAF for their F-16 (to upgrade them to V status) and furthermore, would it be able tp be modified to be used on JF-17, Which would be a huge boon for Pakistan as it would enable local AESA manufacturing leading to improved local r&d for avionics, and would benefit Turkey tremendously as a Turkish SABR variant on JF-17 leads to a legitimate chance of marketing to more modern airforces like Morocco, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.

JF-17 is making money with orders and gripen in indian market is just a future speculation for orders so Selex Leonardo needs more orders for their products if they pull out now it will hurt them as it is a competitive market now with Russian tech available Selex Leonardo will only hurt it's future not JF-17's future.

Italy needs money with a sinking banking sector USA is on make America great again and Asia will enjoy this situation

 

[Tank131]

JF-17 is making money with orders and gripen in indian market is just a future speculation for orders so Selex Leonardo needs more orders for their products if they pull out now it will hurt them as it is a competitive market now with Russian tech available Selex Leonardo will only hurt it's future not JF-17's future.

Italy needs money with a sinking banking sector USA is on make America great again and Asia will enjoy this situation

That depends on 1)how long PAF takes to make its final specs for block 3 and 2) jow long India takes to make their selections.

 

[BHarwana]

That depends on 1)how long PAF takes to make its final specs for block 3 and 2) jow long India takes to make their selections.

India cannot make a selection because the new mig 35 is out and SAAB is old platform. F-16 not going to India under Trump so a lot of things come into play Plus Pakistan has Phazotron and Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design also available so the game plan can shift it will be lose for Selex because with gripen going to India India will use Uttam by DRDO

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

A few things of note.
1. Saab is making a big push for Gripen E for India. If that is the case would Selex Leonardo pull out of The JF-17 Deal if Gripen selected given the Raven ES-05 on Gripen E is a derivative of the Vixen 1000E on offer to PAF?

2. If the Chinese KLJ-7A is a development (as has been speculated) of ELM-2052 from Israel, does Selex even have a chance?

3. As Turkey is developing a Turkish equivalent of the SABR radar, would it be on offer for PAF for their F-16 (to upgrade them to V status) and furthermore, would it be able tp be modified to be used on JF-17, Which would be a huge boon for Pakistan as it would enable local AESA manufacturing leading to improved local r&d for avionics, and would benefit Turkey tremendously as a Turkish SABR variant on JF-17 leads to a legitimate chance of marketing to more modern airforces like Morocco, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.

1. Not necessarily. Saab and Leonardo have their own radar and subsystem divisions and the Leonardo Raven ES-05 is only an option. Saab has its own GaN AESA radar program for the Gripen as well, and I would imagine Saab will be offering that ahead of any third-party AESA radar. Moreover, India might even prefer an Israeli or French radar.

2. The purported link between the KLJ-7A and ELM-2052 is (as you stated) speculation. The ELM-2052 news all came into being from Beijing A-Star (a private Chinese company) offering a license build of that radar for the JF-17. NRIET is China's leading radar development institute with a lot of work in AESA technology, I doubt they need Elta to help them out with the KLJ-7A when they have the ability to develop AESA radars for the J-10, J-11, etc.

The KLJ-7A is the most likely winner for Block-III because it will be the most affordable (Chinese TRMs see a lot of scale) and could be fused with a Chinese EW/ECM suite, which I reckon will also be AESA TRM-based. Leonardo and Elettronica can pair up to offer an analogous solution using their technology, but they don't have the scale the PLAAF and PLAN provide NRIET.

3. Turkish electronics could be an interesting route, but I don't think they'd be a factor before the early-to-mid 2020s. They do have solid AESA TRM-based EW/ECM programs, and - as you stated - an AESA radar for the F-16 is also under development. Unless the PAF plans to zero-down the F-16A/B airframes, I think the V-upgrade will only be limited to the Block-52+. However, a Turkish AESA radar + EW/ECM suite could be an option for the JF-17 Block-IV and beyond.

 

[RealNapster]

It was late at night what can I say...lool

it's Ok bro. chill

 

[Trango Towers]

it's Ok bro. chill

TY you have a Good day

 

[Path-Finder]

Aselsan AVCI

AVCI is not yet configured to work on Fighter planes and it is only working on T129. We are not aware if it will be adapted for fighters or a new HMD will be developed for fighters.

 

[Akasa]

better wait and see...i have info

@SinoSoldier now could u plz delete ur previous post..thnx

Uhh, ok?

 

[Ahmad Durrani]

The JF-17 Black III is almost ready what about next Black IV ? I think the next Block must have body of carbon fibre composites to make it lighter, aerodynamic, fuel-efficient and comparebly stealthy.

 

[帅的一匹]

If PAF has enough funds, they can push JF17 to its upper limits at one go.

 

[BHarwana]

If PAF has enough funds, they can push JF17 to its upper limits at one go.

With JF-17 the problem is not funds now. PAF is looking at your military tech development. things are dependent on new engines available at Chinese end because most of JF-17 buyers will be from US and EU sanctioned countries and Indian bate of make in India is slowing the induction of western tech. So JF-17 is good design for improvement and evolving potential once it gets every thing it will be a hell of a system. I study aeronautical designs very closely F-16 has intake at the bottom makes the drag high but JF-17 intakes make the drag less. the swept wing config gives more maneuverability unlike delta wings.