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F-16s in PAF are here to stay for the next 40-50 years or so esp the block 52s. The older Block 15s for perhaps another 20+ years
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Ain't you a genius---.

Pakistan has been openly refused---. It was stated by Gen Musharraf---& I have also made that statement many a times as well.
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Perhaps is Pakistan has a clear agenda about it's allies than we would not be having this issue.
 
Well, when it comes to F-16 and US/Pak defence relationship things may change.

Looks all but certain Biden is coming to town in Jan and he has been a long time supporter of Pakistan and knows Indian deviousness very well. He pushed the Biden - Lugar Bill and has even been awarded Hillal-e-Pakistan. I am not saying US/Pak relationship will be mended overnight but US President more aware of Pakistan's role.

Michele Flournoy is being tipped as new US Defence Secretary, she was involved in Pak F-16 programme whilst at more junior role in Pentagon and has much experiance dealing with Pak Mil.

This could now well be time to make a final push for one last F-16 purchase, especially as now Lockheed Martin know they have zero chance of selling it to India.....
 
Yasser76 said:
Well, when it comes to F-16 and US/Pak defence relationship things may change.

Looks all but certain Biden is coming to town in Jan and he has been a long time supporter of Pakistan and knows Indian deviousness very well. He pushed the Biden - Lugar Bill and has even been awarded Hillal-e-Pakistan. I am not saying US/Pak relationship will be mended overnight but US President more aware of Pakistan's role.

Michele Flournoy is being tipped as new US Defence Secretary, she was involved in Pak F-16 programme whilst at more junior role in Pentagon and has much experiance dealing with Pak Mil.

This could now well be time to make a final push for one last F-16 purchase, especially as now Lockheed Martin know they have zero chance of selling it to India.....
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Pay the price, get F-16.
OR
Wait for CSF, and get delayed then let conspiracy theories build up which mostly show USA as the evil regime.

Its no rocket science, its business. Both parties have to come to an agreement for a deal to take place.
 
Signalian said:
Pay the price, get F-16.
OR
Wait for CSF, and get delayed then let conspiracy theories build up which mostly show USA as the evil regime.

Its no rocket science, its business. Both parties have to come to an agreement for a deal to take place.
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Seven months after incurring the wrath of Washington -- and stiff economic sanctions -- by testing nuclear weapons, Pakistan received a welcome holiday gift this week from the Clinton administration: payment of an IOU worth $464 million, most of it in cash. The money was delivered to reimburse Pakistan for 28 F-16 combat jets it purchased a decade ago but never received. The shipment was blocked -- and the planes placed in escrow in the Arizona desert -- after President George Bush declined to certify that Pakistan was free of atomic weapons and Congress, concluding Pakistan had lied about its nuclear program, imposed restrictions on arms exports.

Got humiliation trying both ways. It doesn't matter we pay or not, if they decide not to release, they have all the authority and right to do so. We just have to decide for ourselves if we want to beg and keep prefering the outstanding yet high sanction-prone U.S. equipment or go for alternatives.
 
PDF said:
Seven months after incurring the wrath of Washington -- and stiff economic sanctions -- by testing nuclear weapons, Pakistan received a welcome holiday gift this week from the Clinton administration: payment of an IOU worth $464 million, most of it in cash. The money was delivered to reimburse Pakistan for 28 F-16 combat jets it purchased a decade ago but never received. The shipment was blocked -- and the planes placed in escrow in the Arizona desert -- after President George Bush declined to certify that Pakistan was free of atomic weapons and Congress, concluding Pakistan had lied about its nuclear program, imposed restrictions on arms exports.

Got humiliation trying both ways. It doesn't matter we pay or not, if they decide not to release, they have all the authority and right to do so. We just have to decide for ourselves if we want to beg and keep prefering the outstanding yet high sanction-prone U.S. equipment or go for alternatives.
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If it was a new system, I would agree, if it is say 36-54 EDA F-16s that we can upgrade than worth the risk, US will probably be less likely to mess us around while Afghan Peace deal still not finalised. So this combined with new US Administration maybe a good time.
 
PDF said:
Seven months after incurring the wrath of Washington -- and stiff economic sanctions -- by testing nuclear weapons, Pakistan received a welcome holiday gift this week from the Clinton administration: payment of an IOU worth $464 million, most of it in cash. The money was delivered to reimburse Pakistan for 28 F-16 combat jets it purchased a decade ago but never received. The shipment was blocked -- and the planes placed in escrow in the Arizona desert -- after President George Bush declined to certify that Pakistan was free of atomic weapons and Congress, concluding Pakistan had lied about its nuclear program, imposed restrictions on arms exports.

Got humiliation trying both ways. It doesn't matter we pay or not, if they decide not to release, they have all the authority and right to do so. We just have to decide for ourselves if we want to beg and keep prefering the outstanding yet high sanction-prone U.S. equipment or go for alternatives.
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Most recent example is 8 x F-16 Block 52+.
 
Mirage Battle Commander said:
Hi,

I can assure you Pakistan can buy what ever it wants as long as Pakistan pay's for it.

Thanks.
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Hi,

In 1990s we were assured by many. Maybe you are too young to know. I can't forget the taste of the soily, brown wheat that the Americans sent in lieu of the millions of dollars earned by the sweat of Pakistanis.
Short sighted ppl can never learn from the past.
If Pak acts deftly, they may be able to pick up f-16s from third parties. This will only take Trump's approval. But Pak has to act soon before US troops all leave and nothing is left to bargain with.

We saw a smart move with the Jordanian F16s. Another deal like that and PAF can get to the ideal 100 aircraft fleet.
 
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Armchair said:
Hi,

In 1990s we were assured by many. Maybe you are too young to know. I can't forget the taste of the soily, brown wheat that the Americans sent in lieu of the millions of dollars earned by the sweat of Pakistanis.
Short sighted ppl can never learn from the past.
If Pak acts deftly, they may be able to pick up f-16s from third parties. This will only take Trump's approval. But Pak has to act soon before US troops all leave and nothing is left to bargain with.

We saw a smart move with the Jordanian F16s. Another deal like that and PAF can get to the ideal 100 aircraft fleet.
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They should have capitalised and obtained entire stock which was available.
 
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