Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Windjammer]

hi,

i wrote this a long time ago.

early 80’s i used to live close to hill afb.

a pakistani sqdrn ldr base—-had gd relations with him disclosed the pak had joint patent with the US military for a laser guided bomb. I am talking about time period 1984-85

authenticity of the sqdrn ldr is he was the first pilot to survive a broken neck after ejecting his F6 over shorkot

Uncle Ji , at that time of period, one was more interested in Female anatomy than Fighter jet analogy.

 

[mshan44]

 

[Roller321321]

Do our F-16s have AAR? Considering they have a different method of fuel delivery compared to the JF-17, have we modified our tankers to accommodate the F-16 as well?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Do our F-16s have AAR? Considering they have a different method of fuel delivery compared to the JF-17, have we modified our tankers to accommodate the F-16 as well?

PAF F-16s are capable of AAR but they dont have AAR tankers.

 

[MastanKhan]

Uncle Ji , at that time of period, one was more interested in Female anatomy than Fighter jet analogy.

Hi,

The reason for my post was to ask him about what I wrote---.

 

[Roller321321]

PAF F-16s are capable of AAR but they dont have AAR tankers.

Do we have any plans for modifications to our current tanker fleet/acquisition of a separate tanker for F-16s?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Do we have any plans for modifications to our current tanker fleet/acquisition of a separate tanker for F-16s?

Uncle SAM would not allow it.

 

[aliyusuf]

Uncle SAM would not allow it.

As long as we don't modify our F-16s or tinker with it in any way and we don't use it as an aggressive first strike platform against India inside Indian territory ... then we don't violet any agreement with the US govt.

Whether the US would sell us a Tanker? Not likely. But if we can modify some existing tanker, the US may not like it ... but cannot stop us.

Probably we have not done it already because it costs a lot of money to do these things and we already have to pay for ...
1. Building new Thunders
2. Acquiring/Building new Submarines from China
3. Acquiring/Building new Frigates From China
4. Building new Tanks
5. Acquiring Gunships
6. Acquiring plethora of support platforms and vehicles for the Army, Air Force and the Navy
7. New munitions
8. Maintenance & Operational costs of existing equipment (for all three services)
9. Upkeep and Expansion of our strategic and Unconventional Arsenal
etc. etc.

We have enough on our plates at the moment to pay for IMHO. But the Il-78P Midas AAR platforms are there for the air borne replenishment for our Thunders and Mirages. So maybe F-16 specific AARs, under current circumstances, may not be in high in priority.

 

[Kingslayerr]

As long as we don't modify our F-16s or tinker with it in any way and we don't use it as an aggressive first strike platform against India inside Indian territory ... then we don't violet any agreement with the US govt.

Whether the US would sell us a Tanker? Not likely. But if we can modify some existing tanker, the US may not like it ... but cannot stop us.

Probably we have not done it already because it costs a lot of money to do these things and we already have to pay for ...
1. Building new Thunders
2. Acquiring/Building new Submarines from China
3. Acquiring/Building new Frigates From China
4. Building new Tanks
5. Acquiring Gunships
6. Acquiring plethora of support platforms and vehicles for the Army, Air Force and the Navy
7. New munitions
8. Maintenance & Operational costs of existing equipment (for all three services)
9. Upkeep and Expansion of our strategic and Unconventional Arsenal
etc. etc.

We have enough on our plates at the moment to pay for IMHO. But the Il-78P Midas AAR platforms are there for the air borne replenishment for our Thunders and Mirages. So maybe F-16 specific AARs, under current circumstances, may not be in high in priority.

Hi, is it possible for us to bit the broom refuling technology and incorporate it in our existing tankers? So the tankers could perform both types of reguling broom and

As long as we don't modify our F-16s or tinker with it in any way and we don't use it as an aggressive first strike platform against India inside Indian territory ... then we don't violet any agreement with the US govt.

Whether the US would sell us a Tanker? Not likely. But if we can modify some existing tanker, the US may not like it ... but cannot stop us.

Probably we have not done it already because it costs a lot of money to do these things and we already have to pay for ...
1. Building new Thunders
2. Acquiring/Building new Submarines from China
3. Acquiring/Building new Frigates From China
4. Building new Tanks
5. Acquiring Gunships
6. Acquiring plethora of support platforms and vehicles for the Army, Air Force and the Navy
7. New munitions
8. Maintenance & Operational costs of existing equipment (for all three services)
9. Upkeep and Expansion of our strategic and Unconventional Arsenal
etc. etc.

We have enough on our plates at the moment to pay for IMHO. But the Il-78P Midas AAR platforms are there for the air borne replenishment for our Thunders and Mirages. So maybe F-16 specific AARs, under current circumstances, may not be in high in priority.

Hi, is it possible for us to aquire and incorporate the broom refuling system in our existing tankers, so they can perform both types of ( probe-drogue, broom) refuling for f-16s and mirages/thunders ?

 

[Trailer23]

Do our F-16s have AAR?

In order for our F-16's to have Air-to-Air Refueling capability, we would require to modify all of our F-16's which would cost a lot of money.

The USAF are pitching the F-21 to India which will have the capability of drogue basket aerial refueling available to them. Not sure if that option is available in the new Block 70/72.

A Lockheed Martin Test F-16.

For the amount it would cost to modify all of our F-16's, we could easily buy buy 2-3 Used Tankers from the USAF.

 

[aliyusuf]

Hi, is it possible for us to bit the broom refuling technology and incorporate it in our existing tankers? So the tankers could perform both types of reguling broom and

Hi, is it possible for us to aquire and incorporate the broom refuling system in our existing tankers, so they can perform both types of ( probe-drogue, broom) refuling for f-16s and mirages/thunders ?

That is a technical question I don't have the knowledge to answer. But I haven't heard or read about any tanker that has both type of probes.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

The reason for my post was to ask him about what I wrote---.

He may not know as those were instructors of his instructors on Vipers.

 

[The Eagle]

Do our F-16s have AAR?

Yes.

What we don't have, is the tankers and given its cost; the one may not need it. PAF's existing fleet per it dedicated duties while some of them having CFT's, is good enough to fulfill the need/requirement.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Yes.

What we don't have, is the tankers and given its cost; the one may not need it. PAF's existing fleet per it dedicated duties while some of them having CFT's, is good enough to fulfill the need/requirement.

In the late 2000s the PAF identified the need for a dual boom and hose-and-drogue tanker. Unfortunately, the best option at the time -- A310 MRTT -- wasn't available, and everything else was either too expensive (A330 MRTT) or simply a non-starter (Pegasus). However, if the necessary subsystems (i.e., boom and hose-and-drogue pods) are to become available from somewhere, the PAF could foot a bespoke solution using surplus airliners.

It's worth noting that China was rumoured to have been experimenting with boom refuelling. So, an Eastern MRTT platform (UPAZ + Sino-Boom) could be on the horizon.

 

[mshan44]