Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Avicenna]

next couple of years will be interesting especially since Dutch, Belgium, Denmark will be retiring their F-16A/MLUs and we do know that F16 can go through SLEP

As much as those planes would be great option. Politically I doubt it's possible. The US India and Israel will become increasingly friendly. On the other side will be China and Pakistan.

PAF hopefully understands this.

 

[ziaulislam]

As much as those planes would be great option. Politically I doubt it's possible. The US India and Israel will become increasingly friendly. On the other side will be China and Pakistan.

PAF hopefully understands this.

PAF is lucky to have JF-17 its not dependent upon the f-16s any more, so if it doesn't materialize it would probably be loss to not only PAF and USA for losing it leverage
PAF will make that up via Thunders

Pakistani Vipers still lack some weapons for particular roles thus they are not truly multirole for Pakistan in that sense

 

[Avicenna]

PAF is lucky to have JF-17 its not dependent upon the f-16s any more, so if it doesn't materialize it would probably be loss to not only PAF and USA for losing it leverage
PAF will make that up via Thunders

Pakistani Vipers still lack some weapons for particular roles thus they are not truly multirole for Pakistan in that sense

As I have said before, just imagine the predicament for PAF had China not improved as much as it did in regards to producing military aircraft and its related technologies.

 

[Raider 21]

PAF is lucky to have JF-17 its not dependent upon the f-16s any more, so if it doesn't materialize it would probably be loss to not only PAF and USA for losing it leverage
PAF will make that up via Thunders

Pakistani Vipers still lack some weapons for particular roles thus they are not truly multirole for Pakistan in that sense

It still relies very heavily on F-16s even during the embargo years.

 

[CriticalThought]

It still relies very heavily on F-16s even during the embargo years.

Hopefully Thunder Block 3 will change that.

 

[Raider 21]

Hopefully Thunder Block 3 will change that.

Regardless.....Viper is a class of its own...Thunder may or may not catch up there but it is bridging the gap to some extent.

 

[MastanKhan]

As I have said before, just imagine the predicament for PAF had China not improved as much as it did in regards to producing military aircraft and its related technologies.

Hi,

Paf is a FRAUD---. They are criminals.

Before china stepped in---they had access to France---M2K's---then the best of the best aircraft was made available to them---the Rafale---.

It is not as if the world was coming down on them.

They could have forced the U S to come up with 3-5 sqdrn's of F16's right after 9/11---.

The problem that Pakistan's defense finds itself in is the creation of the Paf---they are full of treason---.

2 or 5 honest generals don't make a fighting force---they are just a front to hide the criminal activities of the corrupt generals of the air force.

 

[Clairvoyant]

Bro why do they even let you talk on this forum,you don't know thr ABC of defence procurement and here you are talking about treason.Never seen you mumble a single positive word in the years

 

[niaz]

After application of the Pressler Amendment stopped deliveries of 28 F16s for which Pakistan had already paid $658-million. Pakistan delegation started serious negotiation with the French for purchasing 30 Mirage 2000–5. I heard Benazir Bhutto herself saying on TV that while F-16 cost $24-million per piece in 1989 dollars. French were asking $2-billion for 30 Mirages.

Due to lesser numbers manufactured, French fighters are generally more expensive any way; understand initial batch of 51 Mirage 2000 ordered by India in the early 1990s cost IRs 133 crore or about $40-million each, much higher price to Pakistan was mainly due to the exorbitant commission demanded by Mr Zardari, the husband of BB.

To be fair it was not fault of PAF, a near bankrupt Pakistan could not afford it.

 

[Avicenna]

Hi,

Paf is a FRAUD---. They are criminals.

Before china stepped in---they had access to France---M2K's---then the best of the best aircraft was made available to them---the Rafale---.

It is not as if the world was coming down on them.

They could have forced the U S to come up with 3-5 sqdrn's of F16's right after 9/11---.

The problem that Pakistan's defense finds itself in is the creation of the Paf---they are full of treason---.

2 or 5 honest generals don't make a fighting force---they are just a front to hide the criminal activities of the corrupt generals of the air force.

Its a shame. I wonder what the procurement process is in Israel? Corruption no doubt exists there too? Yet they field an armed forces which is DOMINANT compared to its neighbors. Whats the secret?

Maybe Pakistan can adopt some of their practices?

 

[ziaulislam]

After application of the Pressler Amendment stopped deliveries of 28 F16s for which Pakistan had already paid $658-million. Pakistan delegation started serious negotiation with the French for purchasing 30 Mirage 2000–5. I heard Benazir Bhutto herself saying on TV that while F-16 cost $24-million per piece in 1989 dollars. French were asking $2-billion for 30 Mirages.

Due to lesser numbers manufactured, French fighters are generally more expensive any way; understand initial batch of 51 Mirage 2000 ordered by India in the early 1990s cost IRs 133 crore or about $40-million each, much higher price to Pakistan was mainly due to the exorbitant commission demanded by Mr Zardari, the husband of BB.

To be fair it was not fault of PAF, a near bankrupt Pakistan could not afford it.

we can afford 2 billion today lol let alone in 1990s

Hi,

Paf is a FRAUD---. They are criminals.

Before china stepped in---they had access to France---M2K's---then the best of the best aircraft was made available to them---the Rafale---.

It is not as if the world was coming down on them.

They could have forced the U S to come up with 3-5 sqdrn's of F16's right after 9/11---.

The problem that Pakistan's defense finds itself in is the creation of the Paf---they are full of treason---.

2 or 5 honest generals don't make a fighting force---they are just a front to hide the criminal activities of the corrupt generals of the air force.

i agree with this part "They could have forced the U S to come up with 3-5 sqdrn's of F16's "

 

[CriticalThought]

we can afford 2 billion today lol let alone in 1990s


i agree with this part "They could have forced the U S to come up with 3-5 sqdrn's of F16's "

Sir jee, they could have forced the US to declare Pakistan as the 51st state. That might be an exaggeration, but there was a certain lobby at the time who were openly discussing the possibility of turning over Pakistan to US governance. With hindsight, their servile, subservient, and slave like attitude didn't buy Pakistan any favors. Because exactly during that time, a highly anti-Pakistan government was installed in Afghanistan. Today, these dogs are barking at our doorsteps, and America is openly pointing the finger of blame at us. Food for thought for anyone who thinks we could have 'forced the US to do x'. How can anyone suggest that when it has become obvious that traitor Musharraf was an American agent, who is today getting salary from an American uni. Their agents actively took measures to weaken our geo-strategic position, and make us slaves to American hegemony, just like they are themselves menial mental slaves to their American masters.

 

[cloud4000]

we can afford 2 billion today lol let alone in 1990s

How given that Pakistan's foreign debt has increased substantially since then? Debt-servicing alone is eating much of Pakistan's current budget. Plus, there are substantial investment in CPEC too. Not impossible, but the fiscal room for maneuver is extremely limited, especially in the short- to middle-term.

 

[MastanKhan]

Bro why do they even let you talk on this forum,you don't know thr ABC of defence procurement and here you are talking about treason.Never seen you mumble a single positive word in the years

Hi,

Why don't you step up to the podium and speak up.

Its a shame. I wonder what the procurement process is in Israel? Corruption no doubt exists there too? Yet they field an armed forces which is DOMINANT compared to its neighbors. Whats the secret?

Maybe Pakistan can adopt some of their practices?

Hi,

Jul 2, 2012#1

Thanks to @Horus

If you understand urdu----

 

[Avicenna]

Hi,

Why don't you step up to the podium and speak up.



Hi,

Jul 2, 2012#1

Thanks to @Horus

If you understand urdu----

Ingles por favor.