Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[mjnaushad]

sorry but i have to totally disagree with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WORLD'S MOST ADVANCE UCAV WAS SHOT BY USAF!!!!

"a U.S. Air Force F-15E pilot was sent to destroy an out-of-control MQ-9 “Reaper” drone as it headed toward the Afghan border."

Robot airplane goes AWOL, gets shot down | The Daily Planet

and also this one!!! u can clearly see a missile coming at it....

YouTube - Russian MIG 29 fighter shot down UAV above Georgia

Also Surface to Air Missile Hit.

Iraq Shot down UAV

 

[silent hawk]

The main point is that PAF is a very capable air force. It is also more experienced in Air to Air engagements with more than 10 kills with advanced fighters and missiles.

Pakistan Military Consortium :: www.PakDef.info

The PAF keeps the IAF away primarily by making the cost of success too high. It was the political infeasibility which prevented IAF from attempting Surgical Strikes after the Mumbai incident.

The block 52s have made a very capable airforce more capable

In the future at least I believe all fighting shall be in forums such as this

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan Air Force Receives Three New F-16s from US

Air Force News — By USGovernment on November 11, 2010

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: U.S. and Pakistani officials marked the latest chapter in the growth of the Pakistan Air Force with the delivery of three additional new F-16 aircraft to the Government of Pakistan from the United States during an induction ceremony today at Shahbaz Air Base near Jacobabad, Pakistan.

“These aircraft represent a significant increase in Air Force technology and capability for our strategic allies here in Pakistan,” said Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, Deputy Commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan. “These deliveries are the culmination of many, many years of hard work, a great deal of patience, a great deal of labor and commitment that many people have contributed to make a day like this a reality.”

U.S. and Pakistani officials attending the ceremony included Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan, PAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Army Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, deputy commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan.

Approximately 150 Pakistani and U.S. officials attended the event.

Hassan deemed the planes, “…a dream machine for the entire Pakistani nation.” In describing the impact that the aircraft will have, he remarked, “all these efforts…contribute directly toward maintaining peace in the region and also making our anti-terrorist efforts more meaningful and successful.”

The F-16 Block 52 represents the latest configuration of Lockheed Martin’s 4th generation multirole fighter, offering additional fuel and payload capacity, new or improved avionics and sensors, and color cockpit displays with enhanced pilot/vehicle interfaces. This is the second batch of new F-16s delivered; the first delivery of three took place June 27. Deliveries will continue with all 18 fighter aircraft arriving by January 2012.

In addition to the delivery of these new aircraft, the U.S. is working with the PAF to update 45 F-16s from its existing fighter fleet through the U.S. Foreign Military Financing security assistance program. When the updates are completed, these aircraft will have very similar capabilities to the new F-16s, to include advanced communications and a precision targeting system.

The first batch of upgraded F-16s is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan in early 2012.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Pakistan Air Force Receives Three New F-16s from US

Air Force News — By USGovernment on November 11, 2010

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: U.S. and Pakistani officials marked the latest chapter in the growth of the Pakistan Air Force with the delivery of three additional new F-16 aircraft to the Government of Pakistan from the United States during an induction ceremony today at Shahbaz Air Base near Jacobabad, Pakistan.

“These aircraft represent a significant increase in Air Force technology and capability for our strategic allies here in Pakistan,” said Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, Deputy Commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan. “These deliveries are the culmination of many, many years of hard work, a great deal of patience, a great deal of labor and commitment that many people have contributed to make a day like this a reality.”

U.S. and Pakistani officials attending the ceremony included Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan, PAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Army Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, deputy commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan.

Approximately 150 Pakistani and U.S. officials attended the event.

Hassan deemed the planes, “…a dream machine for the entire Pakistani nation.” In describing the impact that the aircraft will have, he remarked, “all these efforts…contribute directly toward maintaining peace in the region and also making our anti-terrorist efforts more meaningful and successful.”

The F-16 Block 52 represents the latest configuration of Lockheed Martin’s 4th generation multirole fighter, offering additional fuel and payload capacity, new or improved avionics and sensors, and color cockpit displays with enhanced pilot/vehicle interfaces. This is the second batch of new F-16s delivered; the first delivery of three took place June 27. Deliveries will continue with all 18 fighter aircraft arriving by January 2012.

In addition to the delivery of these new aircraft, the U.S. is working with the PAF to update 45 F-16s from its existing fighter fleet through the U.S. Foreign Military Financing security assistance program. When the updates are completed, these aircraft will have very similar capabilities to the new F-16s, to include advanced communications and a precision targeting system.

The first batch of upgraded F-16s is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan in early 2012.

Oooooooh....thats gona leave a mark

 

[air marshal]

Pakistan Air Force Receives Three New F-16s from US

Air Force News — By USGovernment on November 11, 2010

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: U.S. and Pakistani officials marked the latest chapter in the growth of the Pakistan Air Force with the delivery of three additional new F-16 aircraft to the Government of Pakistan from the United States during an induction ceremony today at Shahbaz Air Base near Jacobabad, Pakistan.

“These aircraft represent a significant increase in Air Force technology and capability for our strategic allies here in Pakistan,” said Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, Deputy Commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan. “These deliveries are the culmination of many, many years of hard work, a great deal of patience, a great deal of labor and commitment that many people have contributed to make a day like this a reality.”

U.S. and Pakistani officials attending the ceremony included Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan, PAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Army Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, deputy commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan.

Approximately 150 Pakistani and U.S. officials attended the event.

Hassan deemed the planes, “…a dream machine for the entire Pakistani nation.” In describing the impact that the aircraft will have, he remarked, “all these efforts…contribute directly toward maintaining peace in the region and also making our anti-terrorist efforts more meaningful and successful.”

The F-16 Block 52 represents the latest configuration of Lockheed Martin’s 4th generation multirole fighter, offering additional fuel and payload capacity, new or improved avionics and sensors, and color cockpit displays with enhanced pilot/vehicle interfaces. This is the second batch of new F-16s delivered; the first delivery of three took place June 27. Deliveries will continue with all 18 fighter aircraft arriving by January 2012.

In addition to the delivery of these new aircraft, the U.S. is working with the PAF to update 45 F-16s from its existing fighter fleet through the U.S. Foreign Military Financing security assistance program. When the updates are completed, these aircraft will have very similar capabilities to the new F-16s, to include advanced communications and a precision targeting system.

The first batch of upgraded F-16s is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan in early 2012.

Sir, authenticity of the news is questionable?

 

[Chogy]

Interesting that all of those missiles fired from MiG's have SMOKEY motor trails... easy to spot.

AIM-9M and AIM-120 are smokeless.

 

[unicorn]

Interesting that all of those missiles fired from MiG's have SMOKEY motor trails... easy to spot.

AIM-9M and AIM-120 are smokeless.

does smoke trail is detected by the sensors or you are talking about the naked eye.
If naked eye is the case than i assume there is no chance.

 

[silent hawk]

It is not just the missiles the aircraft engines of Russian Origin are smokey as well. This combined with their large size makes them easily detectable in visual ranges.

 

[Chogy]

does smoke trail is detected by the sensors or you are talking about the naked eye.
If naked eye is the case than i assume there is no chance.

I'm referring to the eyeball acquisition of a launch.

At 20 miles, even a large fighter is invisible to someone with 20/20 vision, ignoring claims from Yeager-types who supposedly can see them 40 miles away. But if that same jet at 20 miles launches a smokey missile, you know you (or a flight member) are under attack. They are very visible, you can see the line of smoke suddenly appear as a dash, and growing. Further, you can use what are called auto-acquisition modes for your radar (like boresight) on the origin of the dash, and obtain a lock, if you didn't already have one.

In Vietnam, SA-2's were fired at U.S. aircraft. The smoke and launch flash helped alert the pilots, and they were able to successfully maneuver against the missile, using their eyes and a good orthoganol roll. This is a bad picture, but you can get an idea:

As for sensors that detect missile launch, my understanding is that they look for IR blooms from the motor, and don't care about smoke.

Here's an AIM-9M from a Raptor. Note the mach diamonds from the thrust, but almost no smoke:

Sorry for the hijack. Smokey missiles vs. smokeless is something that people rarely think about. On the other hand, it may not matter if a 40 G dogfight missile smokes or not, if it guides, you are in BIG trouble.

 

[unicorn]

Boresight is a very new acquisition and is the only counter but for even that i think the chances are sleek.I wonder why Northrop gruman are so confident on F35 boresight ability rather than its manuvering.The have not given its official rate of climb yet.

 

[Chogy]

Boresight is a very new acquisition and is the only counter but for even that i think the chances are sleek.I wonder why Northrop gruman are so confident on F35 boresight ability rather than its manuvering.The have not given its official rate of climb yet.

I'm not sure what you refer to. Boresight has more than one meaning. The basic definition is an axis running straight through the airplane, nose to tail. Another definition is an auto-acquisition mode for radar. You set the radar to boresight mode; on the HUD, you see a modest circle. Anything in that circle is instantly locked up.

Off-boresight normally refers to IR missiles, and has been around for 30 years or more. Usually, it means the IR seeker is slaved to the radar line of sight, so a missile can be launched without pointing at him. Now there are helmet mounted sights that can do this.

The F-35 will have all of these, and more.

 

[unicorn]

I'm not sure what you refer to. Boresight has more than one meaning. The basic definition is an axis running straight through the airplane, nose to tail. Another definition is an auto-acquisition mode for radar. You set the radar to boresight mode; on the HUD, you see a modest circle. Anything in that circle is instantly locked up.

Off-boresight normally refers to IR missiles, and has been around for 30 years or more. Usually, it means the IR seeker is slaved to the radar line of sight, so a missile can be launched without pointing at him. Now there are helmet mounted sights that can do this.

The F-35 will have all of these, and more.

Yes Off-boresight has been around for 30 years,but I am pointing about the high-boresight capabilities of F35 in which sensors use combined radio frequency and infra red (SAIRST) to continually track nearby aircraft while the pilot's helmet-mounted display system (HMDS) displays and selects targets.Now this scenario
only comes into the light when there is a close combat scenario.My question here is the first deal has already been signed by israel and USA has not yet disclosed the full details of this fighter which includes its climb rate and its thrust to weight ratio.And we all know that F35 maximum speed in under mach 2.0 which raises doubts about its close engagements.
Also internally current planned weapons for integration is only up to two air-to-air missiles.Doesn't this make it vulnerable even after its sophisticated sensors,because neither this fighter has been demonstrated in combat nor the Stealth of any of the fighters of USA has been tested in any of the wars.

 

[fatman17]

F-16C-52M Fighting Falcon
The F-16C-52M Fighting Falcon is based upon the F-16C-52 Fighting Falcon



[ Air Forces ]

Ownership
The data below outlines the Air Forces that are connected with the F-16C-52M Fighting Falcon.

F-16C-52M Fighting Falcon
D;5
Cu;5
O;7

Pakistan Air Force
- Note: The initial firm order for 12 examples was announced 31st December 2007 as part of the 'Peace Drive I' programme. As of mid-April 2008, an option for a further 12 examples appears to have been cancelled. The first aircraft from this batch was delivered, as expected, on 26th June 2010, with a second example following-suit a few days later. Another batch of 3 aircraft arrived in Pakistan on 30th October 2010, with the next tranche of 5 examples due to arrive on or around 20th November 2010 & the final pair scheduled to follow-suit by year's end.

- Located at 5 Squadron

AFI

 

[fatman17]

F-16D-52M Fighting Falcon
The F-16D-52M Fighting Falcon is based upon the F-16D-52 Fighting Falcon


F-16D-52M Fighting Falcon
D;2
Cu;2
O;4

Pakistan Air Force
- Note: Initial firm order for 6 examples announced 31st December 2007 as part of the 'Peace Drive I' programme. As of mid-April 2008, an option for a further 6 examples appears to have been cancelled. The first F-16D from this batch was officially accepted by the Pakistan AF in a cermony at Fort Worth on 13th October 2009, after performing its maiden flight on 29th September. The first pair of F-16Ds from this batch were delivered, as expected, on 26th June 2010, with the third example due to arrive on or around 20th November 2010 & the remainder all scheduled to follow-suit by year's end.

- Located at 5 Squadron

AFI

 

[mourning sage]

i have some info about f-16s block 52 though its old but am not able to post the article as im unable to attach it. can somebody please guide me.
Thanks