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Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar and Sqn Ldr Afzal (GIBS) of No 9 MR Sqn destroy an intruding UAV (Searcher-II) of IAF on the night of 7th June, 2002, during Ops Sentinel. This was the first kill of a UAV by any fighter aircraft in the world.

It is very difficult to shoot UAVs because you simeltaneously have to be in the dynamic launch zone and also acquire the required infra red energy. This is the only UAV kill in the world to date and PAF achieved it with block 15 F-16s and AIM 9-L missiles.

What could India possibly do to protect its UAVs from Block 52 F-16s armed with AMRAAMS and AIM 9-Ms??
 
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Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar and Sqn Ldr Afzal (GIBS) of No 9 MR Sqn destroy an intruding UAV (Searcher-II) of IAF on the night of 7th June, 2002, during Ops Sentinel. This was the first kill of a UAV by any fighter aircraft in the world.

It is very difficult to shoot UAVs because you simeltaneously have to be in the dynamic launch zone and also acquire the required infra red energy. This is the only UAV kill in the world to date and PAF achieved it with block 15 F-16s and AIM 9-L missiles.

What could India possibly do to protect its UAVs from Block 52 F-16s armed with AMRAAMS and AIM 9-Ms??

Russian air force also shot down a georgian uav in 2008
 
Russian air force also shot down a georgian uav in 2008

Russia, Georgia trade accusations over spy plane

By MIKE ECKEL

MOSCOW (AP) — Tensions between Russia and Georgia escalated Tuesday as both sides traded accusations days after an unmanned Georgian spy plane was shot down as it flew over the breakaway Black Sea region of Abkhazia.

Moscow denied it shot down the spy aircraft and accused Georgia of violating U.N. resolutions by using unmanned planes to spy on Abkhazia.

Georgia claimed Russia was beginning a military buildup and moving to annex the region, which has had de-facto independence from Georgia for more than a decade.

Georgia said video footage recorded by the plane before it was shot down Sunday shows the attacking jet was a Russian MiG-29 — an aircraft Georgia's air force commander said neither Georgia nor Abkhazia has.

Georgia also said radar showed the jet took off from a former Russian air base in Abkhazia and few into Russian air space after shooting down the spy plane.

Russia's Foreign Ministry, however, said the Israeli-made Hermes pilotless plane was shot down by Abkhazian air defenses. Abkhazian officials say it was one of their L-39 jet that brought down the plane.

The ITAR-Tass news agency quoted an unnamed Russian air force official as saying it would absurd to use a MiG fighter jet to shoot down a spy plane: "You could shoot it down with a slingshot. Abkhazia has enough of its own anti-aircraft tools to complete that mission."

But video footage provided by Georgia shows a jet with twin-tail construction_ something that makes MiG jets distinctive from the single-tail construction of the L-39.

Georgia is pressing the United Nations to take up its claims of Russian military aggression in Abkhazia. The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold a closed-door meeting Wednesday to discuss Georgia's accusations.

Georgia's Deputy Prime Minister Giorgi Baramidze was in Britain on Tuesday for meetings with lawmakers, officials and media, seeking international repudiation of the weekend incident.

Tensions between the two countries have increased over Abkhazia and another separatist region, South Ossetia. Both have close ties to Moscow and both have been run their own affairs since the early 1990s when fighting with Georgian forces ended.

Russia has tacitly supported the regions' autonomy, granting their residents citizenship, supporting the ruble as the currency of choice and other measures. President Vladimir Putin recently ordered his government to increase cooperation with both regions and lifted trade restrictions for companies doing business there. Those moves have incensed the Georgian leadership.

Russia also is vociferously opposed to Georgia's efforts to join NATO, and has been wary of Georgia's moves to tighten ties with the United States.

Moscow on Tuesday accused Georgia of violating international law.

"The flight taken by a reconnaissance aircraft, which could also be used to direct fire, is a violation of the Moscow agreement on the cease-fire of May 14, 1994, as well as relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions," the Foreign Ministry said.

But Georgia shot back, accusing Russia of beginning an "alarming military build up in the conflict region."

"The recent steps of the Russian Federation are clearly directed toward the annexation of a part of sovereign territory of Georgia," Georgia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Georgia and Ruslan Khasig in Sukhumi, Georgia contributed to this report.

There is too much controversy in this incident. Russia itself denies shooting down the UAV. Some claim that the entire incident was manufactured by Georgia to malign Russia.

I reiterate the PAF shooting down of the Indian drone is to date the only authentic and undisputed shooting down of a drone by a fighter aircraft

:pakistan: Pakistan Zindabad
 
Russia, Georgia trade accusations over spy plane

By MIKE ECKEL

MOSCOW (AP) — Tensions between Russia and Georgia escalated Tuesday as both sides traded accusations days after an unmanned Georgian spy plane was shot down as it flew over the breakaway Black Sea region of Abkhazia.

Moscow denied it shot down the spy aircraft and accused Georgia of violating U.N. resolutions by using unmanned planes to spy on Abkhazia.

Georgia claimed Russia was beginning a military buildup and moving to annex the region, which has had de-facto independence from Georgia for more than a decade.

Georgia said video footage recorded by the plane before it was shot down Sunday shows the attacking jet was a Russian MiG-29 — an aircraft Georgia's air force commander said neither Georgia nor Abkhazia has.

Georgia also said radar showed the jet took off from a former Russian air base in Abkhazia and few into Russian air space after shooting down the spy plane.

Russia's Foreign Ministry, however, said the Israeli-made Hermes pilotless plane was shot down by Abkhazian air defenses. Abkhazian officials say it was one of their L-39 jet that brought down the plane.

The ITAR-Tass news agency quoted an unnamed Russian air force official as saying it would absurd to use a MiG fighter jet to shoot down a spy plane: "You could shoot it down with a slingshot. Abkhazia has enough of its own anti-aircraft tools to complete that mission."

But video footage provided by Georgia shows a jet with twin-tail construction_ something that makes MiG jets distinctive from the single-tail construction of the L-39.

Georgia is pressing the United Nations to take up its claims of Russian military aggression in Abkhazia. The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold a closed-door meeting Wednesday to discuss Georgia's accusations.

Georgia's Deputy Prime Minister Giorgi Baramidze was in Britain on Tuesday for meetings with lawmakers, officials and media, seeking international repudiation of the weekend incident.

Tensions between the two countries have increased over Abkhazia and another separatist region, South Ossetia. Both have close ties to Moscow and both have been run their own affairs since the early 1990s when fighting with Georgian forces ended.

Russia has tacitly supported the regions' autonomy, granting their residents citizenship, supporting the ruble as the currency of choice and other measures. President Vladimir Putin recently ordered his government to increase cooperation with both regions and lifted trade restrictions for companies doing business there. Those moves have incensed the Georgian leadership.

Russia also is vociferously opposed to Georgia's efforts to join NATO, and has been wary of Georgia's moves to tighten ties with the United States.

Moscow on Tuesday accused Georgia of violating international law.

"The flight taken by a reconnaissance aircraft, which could also be used to direct fire, is a violation of the Moscow agreement on the cease-fire of May 14, 1994, as well as relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions," the Foreign Ministry said.

But Georgia shot back, accusing Russia of beginning an "alarming military build up in the conflict region."

"The recent steps of the Russian Federation are clearly directed toward the annexation of a part of sovereign territory of Georgia," Georgia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Georgia and Ruslan Khasig in Sukhumi, Georgia contributed to this report.

There is too much controversy in this incident. Russia itself denies shooting down the UAV. Some claim that the entire incident was manufactured by Georgia to malign Russia.

I reiterate the PAF shooting down of the Indian drone is to date the only authentic and undisputed shooting down of a drone by a fighter aircraft

:pakistan: Pakistan Zindabad


What does this have to do with this section which is for f-16 discussions?:what:
 
It is very difficult to shoot UAVs because you simeltaneously have to be in the dynamic launch zone and also acquire the required infra red energy. This is the only UAV kill in the world to date and PAF achieved it with block 15 F-16s and AIM 9-L missiles.

What could India possibly do to protect its UAVs from Block 52 F-16s armed with AMRAAMS and AIM 9-Ms??

Only option a MUAV/UCAV to deal this, but the,

In May 1997, an Indian Air Force Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The MiG-25 broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained covert, at least to the general public. The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier was deliberate to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the MiG-25's cruising height (up to 74,000 feet). India denied the incident but Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Gohar Ayub Khan, believed that the Foxbat photographed strategic installations near the capital, Islamabad.

MiG-25RB Foxbat-B


MiG-25RB Foxbat-B
 
Only option a MUAV/UCAV to deal this, but the,

In May 1997, an Indian Air Force Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The MiG-25 broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained covert, at least to the general public. The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier was deliberate to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the MiG-25's cruising height (up to 74,000 feet). India denied the incident but Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Gohar Ayub Khan, believed that the Foxbat photographed strategic installations near the capital, Islamabad.

MiG-25RB Foxbat-B


MiG-25RB Foxbat-B

idk what point u were trying to prove their but if ur thinking that india might use mig-25 again for recon then i dont think its possible as all migs have been retired and possibly scrapped. and btw i just noticed that u bolded "AMRAAM".........:disagree: maybe u dont know but PAF DID NOT have any AMRAAM at that time! PAF just got them this year.
 
The-First-Furious-large.jpg


Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar and Sqn Ldr Afzal (GIBS) of No 9 MR Sqn destroy an intruding UAV (Searcher-II) of IAF on the night of 7th June, 2002, during Ops Sentinel. This was the first kill of a UAV by any fighter aircraft in the world.

It is very difficult to shoot UAVs because you simeltaneously have to be in the dynamic launch zone and also acquire the required infra red energy. This is the only UAV kill in the world to date and PAF achieved it with block 15 F-16s and AIM 9-L missiles.

What could India possibly do to protect its UAVs from Block 52 F-16s armed with AMRAAMS and AIM 9-Ms??

sorry but i have to totally disagree with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WORLD'S MOST ADVANCE UCAV WAS SHOT BY USAF!!!!

"a U.S. Air Force F-15E pilot was sent to destroy an out-of-control MQ-9 “Reaper” drone as it headed toward the Afghan border."

http://blogs.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/2009/09/22/robot-airplane-goes-awol-gets-shot-down/

and also this one!!! u can clearly see a missile coming at it....

 
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Only option a MUAV/UCAV to deal this, but the,

In May 1997, an Indian Air Force Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The MiG-25 broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained covert, at least to the general public. The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier was deliberate to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the MiG-25's cruising height (up to 74,000 feet). India denied the incident but Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Gohar Ayub Khan, believed that the Foxbat photographed strategic installations near the capital, Islamabad.

MiG-25RB Foxbat-B


MiG-25RB Foxbat-B

This was possible back than in 1997, not possible anymore. The introduction of AMRAAMS and AIM9-M certainly changes the dynamics of Air warfare in South Asia. In 1997 PAF had AIM 7 and AIM9 L, although very potent missiles on their own and perfect to counter MIG29/M2K but were incapable of intercepting a MIG25 cruising at Mach 3 at 70 000 feet. Now all our F16 pilots have to do is cruise at Mach 2, climb around 45 to 50 thousand feet, lock the target with JHMCS and let loose the AMRAAM. Lets see the Foxbat outrun an AMRAAM, the Americans/Israelis learned it long time ago that you just need to build a faster and better missile to beat a rocket like the MIG25. Their is a reason why its not in service with IAF anymore, because just like the F104 this plane was fast but not maneuverable.
 
This was possible back than in 1997, not possible anymore. The introduction of AMRAAMS and AIM9-M certainly changes the dynamics of Air warfare in South Asia. In 1997 PAF had AIM 7 and AIM9 L, although very potent missiles on their own and perfect to counter MIG29/M2K but were incapable of intercepting a MIG25 cruising at Mach 3 at 70 000 feet. Now all our F16 pilots have to do is cruise at Mach 2, climb around 45 to 50 thousand feet, lock the target with JHMCS and let loose the AMRAAM. Lets see the Foxbat outrun an AMRAAM, the Americans/Israelis learned it long time ago that you just need to build a faster and better missile to beat a rocket like the MIG25. Their is a reason why its not in service with IAF anymore, because just like the F104 this plane was fast but not maneuverable.



Hi,

We had this capability in the 60's when we got a couple of planes that the u s donated us---they had a cieling of 82,000 feet---needed a space suit to fly the plane---which the pak pilots refused to wear for one reason or other---.
 
Only option a MUAV/UCAV to deal this, but the,

In May 1997, an Indian Air Force Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The MiG-25 broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained covert, at least to the general public. The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier was deliberate to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the MiG-25's cruising height (up to 74,000 feet). India denied the incident but Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Gohar Ayub Khan, believed that the Foxbat photographed strategic installations near the capital, Islamabad.

MiG-25RB Foxbat-B


MiG-25RB Foxbat-B

I heard that the Foxbat in 1997 intruded because the Indian mistakedly fired an AMRAAM at a civil airliner AND IT MISSED. As a result some very senior IAF officers were sacked. It was a mission out of frustration, no response was required hence none were generated.
 
the U-2 was used exclusively by the americans flying out of badeber/peshawar which had a ceiling of +90K.

the RB-57 was 'loaned' to the PAF for 'recce' missions with a ceiling of +60K. the PAF used these a/c extensively in the 65 war (against the agreement with the US) and one was almost shot down as it came to around 40K. the pilot skilfully landed the a/c - it was 'repaired' to almost new after the war and handed back to the US - this is the history!
 
9 Nov 1983
PAF accepts first F-16 from Peace Gate II order.
 

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