Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[cabatli_53]

Turkey still depends on western materials / key components for its major weapons programmes. We all know about the T129, the Altay has german technology eg the engine etc so are not 100% sanctions free esp after the row with the US on the S400 purchase resulting in the suspension of the F35 program for the TuAF.

Engine tech is ona of the biggest defficiency we have to overcome in coming years and the industry is working hard to solve this problem. The average national contribution mostly reach around %70-75 scale in Turkish strategic programs and majority of the remained share is about the engines and transmissions/gearboxes of platforms. In next years, We will see Land, Naval and Aerial engines to be revealed step by step. After this process, Noone will be able to block any strategic cooperation of Turkish institutes. Turkey is cooperating with Fiat/Iveco for 1500hp and 1000hp engine projects and Most likely, We will see national 1500hp engine and tranamissions until 2023. TS-1400/1500 turboshaft technology will be evolved to provide bigger thrust for 10/12t platforms. Turbojet family is under the responsibility of Kale and first product will power up SOM and Atmaca missiles. The tradition of Turkish industry is based of continuation of developments in all field so We will see a large powerpack family in all fields in near future.

 

[fatman17]

Engine tech is ona of the biggest defficiency we have to overcome in coming years and the industry is working hard to solve this problem. The average national contribution mostly reach around %70-75 scale in Turkish strategic programs and majority of the remained share is about the engines and transmissions/gearboxes of platforms. In next years, We will see Land, Naval and Aerial engines to be revealed step by step. After this process, Noone will be able to block any strategic cooperation of Turkish institutes. Turkey is cooperating with Fiat/Iveco for 1500hp and 1000hp engine projects and Most likely, We will see national 1500hp engine and tranamissions until 2023. TS-1400/1500 turboshaft technology will be evolved to provide bigger thrust for 10/12t platforms. Turbojet family is under the responsibility of Kale and first product will power up SOM and Atmaca missiles. The tradition of Turkish industry is based of continuation of developments in all field so We will see a large powerpack family in all fields in near future.

Good to hear and read it.

 

[Khagan1923]

Engine tech is ona of the biggest defficiency we have to overcome in coming years and the industry is working hard to solve this problem. The average national contribution mostly reach around %70-75 scale in Turkish strategic programs and majority of the remained share is about the engines and transmissions/gearboxes of platforms. In next years, We will see Land, Naval and Aerial engines to be revealed step by step. After this process, Noone will be able to block any strategic cooperation of Turkish institutes. Turkey is cooperating with Fiat/Iveco for 1500hp and 1000hp engine projects and Most likely, We will see national 1500hp engine and tranamissions until 2023. TS-1400/1500 turboshaft technology will be evolved to provide bigger thrust for 10/12t platforms. Turbojet family is under the responsibility of Kale and first product will power up SOM and Atmaca missiles. The tradition of Turkish industry is based of continuation of developments in all field so We will see a large powerpack family in all fields in near future.

TS-1400 (up to 1500hp from targeted 1200hp) will make its first flight debut in the Gökbey and I believe in the ATAK next year too. The plan was always to have Gökbey go into serial production with the TS-1400.

I also dont foresee any problems with new Trials for Pakistan with an TS-1400 equipped ATAK. The LHTEC CTS800-4N was choosen by the Armed Forces because of its reliable performance in high altitude and hot and cold weather which TSK deals with. The same as PAF. TAF won't replace a reliable engine with one that doesn't perform as good in those circumstances and sabotages CT operations in the SE.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1202127532746776582

Land Forces 91 ATAK (59+32 Optional) (48 Delivered)
Interior Ministery 27 ATAK (24+3 Optional) (6 Delivered)

Near Future: National 20MM Gun Barrel for Helicopters ( Export from Italy )
First Flight of TS-1400 in 2020 ( Export from US)
T-129 FAZ 2 deliveries start mid 2020, first order consists of 21 Helicopters

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

In the first half of 2021, it is impossible for TS1400 to be completed and accepted. At least two more years. Those who believe that TEI can finish the project on the given date are those who are interested defence endustry since the last 1 year . Even after the first certification of the internal combustion civil aviation engine 7 years after the first certification and still can not integrate the production line of a uav, delivery date less than 2 years and did not work in turboshaft mode of curiosity is how to deliver an engine.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Turkey will be the first Muslim country 100% Proficient in Engine development

 

[cabatli_53]

TEI manager said that They are developing a heavyclass turboshaft engine called TS-3000 which will have a thrust around 3000hp. This engine will be integrated for 10/12 t helicopters attack and utility.

 

[polanski]

Senate chairman moves toward CAATSA sanctions on Turkey as Turkey test Nebo-M radar against F-16: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...ckdown-on-turkey-as-turkey-test-nebo-m-radar/

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

If they can fight off a coupe of such grand scale. Then brave Turks can fight anything Uncle Sam has throw at Turks.

Senate chairman moves toward CAATSA sanctions on Turkey as Turkey test Nebo-M radar against F-16: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...ckdown-on-turkey-as-turkey-test-nebo-m-radar/

 

[GriffinsRule]

 

[Muhammad Omar]

When will Pakistan receive these

 

[nomi007]

When will Pakistan receive these

mid 2020 or early 2021

 

[Sunny4pak]

All About Pakistan's T129

 

[cabatli_53]

SSB Mr. Ismail Demir told that Pakistan extended the delivery schedule of T-129 Atak helicopters 1 more years in order to get export licence of LHTEC engine from US. Both Pakistani and Turkish officials are making pressure US to get export licence but If US rejects it, Pakistani helicopters will most likely receive domestic TS-1500 turboshaft engines by waiting a little longer.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

SSB Mr. Ismail Demir told that Pakistan extended the delivery schedule of T-129 Atak helicopters 1 more years in order to get export licence of LHTEC engine from US. Both Pakistani and Turkish officials are making pressure US to get export licence but If US rejects it, Pakistani helicopters will most likely receive domestic TS-1500 turboshaft engines by waiting a little longer.

If this spills over to the TEI-equipped ATAK, then it could be an upgraded variant. So, new engine plus T625 rotors, transmission, and dynamic parts, plus new avionics. I hope they can up the weight to 6 tons with more payload, but without badly affecting the other performance parameters. Would be worth seeing.

 

[Sunny4pak]

ترکی کی ، ایس ایس بی کے نمائندہ اسماعیل ڈیمر نے کہا ہے کہ: امریکہ سے ہیلی کاپٹر کے لیے اے ٹی اے سی انجن کی پاکستان برآمد کے لئے انجن برآمدی اجازت حاصل کرنے کا عمل جاری ہے۔ پاکستان نے 1 سال کی اضافی مدت دی ہے ۔ در حقیقت ، یہ معاملہ پاکستان اور امریکہ کے مابین ہے۔ اگر برآمدی اجازت نامہ 1 سال کے اندر جاری کیا جاتا ہے تو ٹھیک ورنہ پاکستان اس نقطہ پر غور کرے گا جہاں قومی انجن کی آپشن موجود ہے ۔ اُس وقت (ایک سال بعد)اس پراجیکٹ کی قسمت کا فیصلہ ہوگا۔

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