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[fatman17]

Wednesday, October 8, 2014
J-15S
Recently, we got some new photos of J-15S coming out, which is always exciting. J-15S is the twin-seated version of China's naval flanker J-15. Its prototype flirst flew from SAC airfield on November 2012. All of the J-15S photos we've seen so far have shown Taihang engines powering the aircraft. That would suggest J-15S will be powered by Taihang right from the time it enters service and that the single seated J-15 could be powered by Taihang after the first batch.

We know that J-11BS entered service relatively soon after J-11B entered service after a relatively short flight testing program of around 2 years. It probably could've been even shorter if not for the problems with Taihang engine at the time. We saw very few photos of J-11BS in flight testing. In comparison, it seems to me that J-15S will be having a longer flight testing program, although not as long as would be expected out of a new variant like J-11B or J-16.

Going forward, I think it is likely that J-15S would be used in more roles than just as twin-seated trainer. First of all, J-15S could be developed in navy's version of J-16. The J-15 airframe should already be strengthened to handle the punishment of taking off and landing on a carrier, so J-15S may not need too much additional work to handle the additional payload expected out of a strike fighter. J-15S would not have the range or payload of J-16 due to restrictions of taking off from a STOBAR carrier, but it could be installed with similar avionics and combat system for strike missions as J-16. It will be able to carry different types of anti-ship missiles, anti-radiation missile and ground attack munitions/missiles that can be launched by the pilot in the WSO seat. Having the second pilot should make J-15S a more effective strike aircraft than J-15. Aside from just anti-shipping missions and ground attack missions, it could also be fitted with the subsystems for SEAD missions and EW warfare. When Su-30MK2 came out, there was a lot of talk about its usage as a "mini-AWACS". While that is a little overblown and CV-16 will already have several Ka-31 and Z-18 AEW helicopters, J-15S can certainly be equipped with the necessary avionics to process data from a group of J-15s and direct their actions.

In summary, J-15S will be a very useful naval aircraft for China's burgeoning naval air arm. It will likely have many use beyond that of a trainer.
Posted by Feng

interesting development...

 

[Armstrong]

@fatman17 - Sir, what does the above news has to do with the PAF ?

 

[fatman17]

@fatman17 - Sir, what does the above news has to do with the PAF ?

J-15 with chinese engine.....possibilities are endless.

 

[Armstrong]

J-15 with chinese engine.....possibilities are endless.

Do you think the PAF would go for a twin engined platform in these times ?

Flying an A5 or a J6 is one thing; flying this beast with its much higher operational cost may probably be cost-prohibitive for us....don't you think ?

 

[Arsalan]

Do you think the PAF would go for a twin engined platform in these times ?

Flying an A5 or a J6 is one thing; flying this beast with its much higher operational cost may probably be cost-prohibitive for us....don't you think ?

I dont think Fatman is suggesting that we might get these in next financial year, NO.
In fact i personally do not see it flying for PAF ever, however as said, a fighter jet powered by a Chinese engine is something interesting for Pakistan as well.

 

[fatman17]

Do you think the PAF would go for a twin engined platform in these times ?

Flying an A5 or a J6 is one thing; flying this beast with its much higher operational cost may probably be cost-prohibitive for us....don't you think ?

if J-10/FC-20 remains out of the picture due to engine issue, then PAF needs to replace its Mirage-ROSE a/c at some point and the J-15S inducted in limited numbers would prove ideal as a 'flying tank'. has a versatile load capability.

 

[raazh]

Keeping the financing issues apart .. J11/J15 or any of its form would be a good deterrence against IN ships and air craft carrier due to its long range and decent payload capability. Sort of a mini awac loaded with long range stand-off weapons. However I dont think it fits into (at least current) PAF doctrine against IAF.

 

[ANG]

New pictures of J-10B revealed - IHS Jane's 360


New pictures of J-10B revealed
Alexander Weening, Beijing and James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

A new batch of mass-produced Chengdu J-10B fighters are undergoing flight and taxi tests, Chinese media has reported saying that the aircraft will enter service "soon".

The J-10B is an improved variant of the Chengdu J-10 manufactured by the state-owned Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation, also known as the Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, a subsidiary of AVIC.

The photos, which were posted on the cdjby.net military forum on 3 October, show four aircraft on the ground and two in the air. The airborne aircraft are numbered 120 and 122, while known serial numbers for the J-10B are: 101, 102, 103, 104, 106, 107, 110, 120, 122, and 201.

Chinese media also reported, without further elaboration, that some of the J-10Bs are equipped with China's own WS-10 Taihang engine. Early J-10Bs were believed to be fitted with the Russian AL-31FN M1 engine - a more powerful version of the AL-31F that powers the J-10A.

The J-10B's key differences from the J-10A include a redesigned chin intake, with the lower edge now angled forward and movable ramp replaced by a smaller, fixed, diffuser bulge that also contributes to reduced weight and radar cross-section; a longer nose radome that is believed to house an NRIET active electronically scanned array radar; and an electro-optic targeting sensor (infrared search and track, and laser rangefinder) mounted just forward of the windscreen, offset to starboard. It also has a new electronic warning or countermeasures pod atop the vertical stabilizer.

if J-10/FC-20 remains out of the picture due to engine issue, then PAF needs to replace its Mirage-ROSE a/c at some point and the J-15S inducted in limited numbers would prove ideal as a 'flying tank'. has a versatile load capability.

 

[fatman17]

Karachi airport from 33,000ft.

 

[nomi007]

Pakistani fighter pilot with American T-38 Talon aircraft.

 

[fatman17]

Pakistani fighter pilot with American T-38 Talon aircraft.

T-38 is a good LIFT for F-16 pilots.

 

[Donatello]

T-38 is a good LIFT for F-16 pilots.

There were rumors of Pakistan looking into USAF T-38s for training? What happened to that?

 

[nomi007]

There were rumors of Pakistan looking into USAF T-38s for training? What happened to that?

plans to add more k-8 and more advance L-15

 

[fatman17]

PAF 1986

the much aged F-86 and B-57's were retired

more Mirages were inducted

T-37's

 

[fatman17]

Pakistani F-16s & AH-1s Strike Militants in Northern Waziristan
three months into operation Zarb-e-azb, Pakistan's Army with support from its AH-1s and Air Force F-16s, continued their fight to rid the North Waziristan region of militants.

Since June 15, government forces have been trying to flush out foreign and local fighters from their sanctuaries in Miramshah, Boya, dagan and Mirali.

the PAF F-16s comprising 5 Sqn F-16C/Ds and 9 & 11 Sqn's recently upgraded F-16A/Bs, have been targetting the jihadi hide-outs day and night with laser-guided bombs, using their Litening and ATLIS targeting pods. artillery and tanks were also being used to target locations located by PAF C-130B and army Beech 350 surveillence aircraft.

personnel from all three AH-1 units, 31, 33 and 35 Sqn at Multan have deployed to forward operating bases to support the army as they clear up the areas and move into the towns for house-to-house search.

around 900, including many uzbeks, have been killed, while the army has lost around 80 soldiers to date in some fierce fighting - alan warnes - AFM - October